Regions with highest number of fatal Civil Airliner accidents since 1945

[angelorange]

Aviation Safety Network has published a list of the 25 geographical regions having the highest number of fatal civil airliner accidents from 1945 until now. Military accidents, corporate jets, hijackings (and other criminal occurrences) are not included.


Aviation Safety Network > Statistics > Geographical > Worst geographical regions (http://aviation-safety.net/statistics/geographical/worst_geo_loc.php?goback=.gde_4630189_member_219797109)

[angelorange]

Dear Blighty - we can do better chaps and chapesses!

French had one less accident than UK but almost twice number dead whilst Nigeria must be pleased to be at the bottom of this list!

But of course these figures don't say per 1000000 flying hours or number of sectors flown before a fatality.

[angelorange]

Maybe PPRUNE could have it's own Flight safety/ SMS thread section.

[Lonewolf_50]

Ground & Other Ops Forums (http://www.pprune.org/ground-other-ops-forums-5/)

The title indicates that that family of forums is Ground and Other Ops. Given Safety being related to Ops, maybe keeping Safety in an Ops forum is a good idea?

Works for me. :ok:

[Piltdown Man]

The title indicates that that family of forums is Ground and Other Ops.

That's because more aircraft have a problem when they bang into the ground than when they bang into the air.

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[Sciolistes]

What a load cobblers. So the wealthiest country in the world with the most airports, most passengers, highest number and density of flights has the worst gross stats...well duh!

:ugh:

[Airmann]

This is just another indications of how statistics can deceive. Having done a lot of work with statistics its scary how easily people can present data to shock or scare people. Now the real indicator would be accidents per x/flight hours or flights.

Also, that chart only shows the region in which an accident took place, not the operators country, so if an Egyptian plane crashes in the US (as it has done) it goes down as a US accident even though it has nothing to do with US aviation safety.

[AdamFrisch]

Exactly. Complete useless statistics. Only way to measure this is per capita or per passengers. I can guarantee you that none of the US or European countries would end up in the top 10.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Interestingly if you list countries by accidents per 100,000 hours the list is almost perfectly inverted....

[darkroomsource]

What a load cobblers. So the wealthiest country in the world with the most airports, most passengers, highest number and density of flights has the worst gross stats
Not for the past decade... not the wealthiest, not the most airports, not the most passengers, not the highest density, not for the past decade...

as for taking the numbers per hour flown or per flight... It depends on what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say that it's more dangerous to fly in one place than another, then yes, by flight or by hour. But if you're trying to say it's more dangerous to live in one place than another, then no, you want the numbers per capita, or per square mile (or square kilometres for most of the world).

We don't list car accidents per mile or per trip, but per capita. Murder rates, per capita. Falls down the stairs, per capita. Cancer, per capita. Why list airplane accidents per flight or hour, rather than per capita? Is it because the country at the top of the list doesn't want to be at the top of the list?

[Piltdown Man]

Fortunately, we don't measure car accidents per capita in Britain because that is not a measure of safety. Any such measurements would be irrelevant. Let me show you. Using 2011 data, we have by country: Total deaths, deaths per 100,000 people and deaths per 100,000 vehicles.

_________Deaths__Capita__Vehicle
India____80,000____0.67____38.1
Britain____3,400____0.57____10.0
China____62,000____0.46____27.8
Japan_____4,914____0.39_____6.1
US______32,788____1.04____14.9

What you can see is that India, by any measurement is the most dangerous place. But where is the safest? Japan or Britain? Are you safer in a car in China than Britain because just because more people live there? Because that is what per capita safety measurements are about. A better measurement for a transport system is its effect. And that must be per journey, no matter what length. And that again has to be split by mode of transport. By all means measure wealth, health, crime per capita - but not transport, hospital accidents, mining deaths etc. They have to be measured in their own ways.

I really think you should stop sniffing the chemicals in the dark room or if you want to continue, move to China where you will be safer because more people live there. Or continue doing so Australia which has a huge area...

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[darkroomsource]

The numbers published include the number of people killed on the ground, not just in the air.
So if they're trying to say you're more likely to get hit by a plane and killed in one place than another, doing it by total numbers or by per capita is more accurate.
Your car statistics are the same kind of thing... if I live in China I'm less likely to be hit by a car, because there are less cars per person...

All I was trying to point out is that how you read statistics, or how they are presented, is all about what you want to know or what the publisher wants to emphasize.

Clearly there are more airplane accidents in USA. No question. What does it mean to people? that's the question, and the statistics published on that page don't answer it.

[Sciolistes]

Not for the past decade... not the wealthiest, not the most airports, not the most passengers, not the highest density, not for the past decade...
Really? Where are you thinking of?

[darkroomsource]

wealthiest? China
Most airports? (GA, yes, US) but not commercial any more, I believe China there also
Pax? China, or India, possibly both
Density? EU

[Sciolistes]

wealthiest? China...Pax? China, or India, possibly both
Density? EU
Not a chance! :}
Is EU a country now? :p

[darkroomsource]

Really? Beijing is now the largest, most active, Hub in the world, replacing London.
300 million people in the US give or take, 150 million millionaires in China give or take. They're travelling all over the place all the time, with more money than you can shake a stick at. The world is a changing, it's time for us all to wake up and smell the coffee.
And as for the EU being one country, just ask Cypress who's in charge.

[Piltdown Man]

...just ask Cypress who's in charge.

Geographically, Economically, Politically or Socially? And North or South Cyprus? And I also disagree with your comments regarding Chinese wealth. Yes, there are now many billionaires but 2011 Chinese GDP/capita (possibly an appropriate measurement when it comes to air travel comparisons) was $5,400 whilst the US was nearly nine times greater as $48,000 or so. But as ever, that single measurement doesn't tell the full story. We also don't know who purchases the tickets that people use to fly in China or come to that, who actually operates the flight.

So returning to where we came from, the pointless figures that started this thread are just numbers. They are not a measure of safety or performance. They are just numbers. So the use of the word "Worst" is also incorrect because it implies a value comparison - but you can't do maths with country's names. Therefore the word should merely be "Highest."

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