FlyBe axing jobs

[clunk1001]

...prevent companies from making positions redundant and then re-hiring new staff to fill the same positions

Nothing to stop you making 6 First Officer positions redundant, and replacing them with 6 cadet positions.

[tubby linton]

Flybe nosedives after majority owner sells entire stake - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/10445775/Flybe-nosedives-after-majority-owner-sells-entire-stake.html)

[RexBanner]

Quote:
...prevent companies from making positions redundant and then re-hiring new staff to fill the same positions
Nothing to stop you making 6 First Officer positions redundant, and replacing them with 6 cadet positions.

Except there is Clunk because there is no such pay scale or position as "cadet pilot" in the Part A. There is Captain, Senior FO and FO.

[FlyVeryHigh-]

I think you're right. Would be great to get some insight into this though.

Must be a very distressing time for all involved.

[JB007]

Is what I heard today of 100 pilots redundant true?!?

Good luck guys, most of us have been through all this too...

[Artic Monkey]

JB007

We're still hanging on none the wiser, the letters are apparently going out on Monday yet we, the workforce are still in the dark. The real figure being banded around is more like 140-180 but apparently there's 60 odd who have secured employment elsewhere. We just don't know.

[RexBanner]

Artic Monkey it sounds very reminiscent of January when some of us learnt of the threat to our jobs via local radio, who had the exact figures before we did. Hopefully lessons have been learnt from the utterly disgraceful way it was dealt with then but not sounding promising. Good luck to all you guys as has been stated.

[JB007]

Unbelievable Artic! Anyone else like to meet Mr French?!!!

[fade to grey]

Air Astana for the jets,
Ana wings via parc, or sun express for the dash,

Good luck folks !

[mad_jock]

just heard and don't want to be the one to make it public. But ouch that is hard.

My thoughts are with you guys what a thing to get landed before Christmas.

[JB007]

Also just heard...un-real! Thoughts are with you and familes.

[hobnobanyone]

Thanks guys...

[Jwscud]

There's no need to be coy - BALPA have put the full details out via their Facebook page. Sounds awful - seriously impressed with the still cheerful Jersey call signs :(.

Good luck ladies and gents.

[fade to grey]

179 - !
Not good.
Always just before Christmas as it was with me and astraeus .

Good luck finding something else folks, have to see if my mate at Exeter is safe...

[Sir George Cayley]

So coy all of you. What is the fact you cannot name?

Here on "Airports Airlines and Routes" there's far more facts.

This forum always surprises, both for its ability to be quick to chide and slow to bless and its random reticence to bring facts forward.

Manchester, Birmingham and Southampton bases will continue. The rest are not featured in Flybe's future.

There I've said it. Jehovah.

[mad_jock]

I also heard that the jet fleet is going. Only Q400 for a period.

[Artic Monkey]

SGC

Wrong on that count I'm afraid. The plan is to operate 7 bases.

Mad jock. That is certainly a rumour flying around the bases but until it's confirmed it's only a rumour of course.

[mad_jock]

Well I suspect it will do what they want.

I presume most of the TUPE and high salary pilots are on that fleet.

I also would like to add that I haven't forgotten the Cabin crew and engineers at the closing bases. In some ways this will affect them more than flight deck.

[Sir George Cayley]

Flybe is closing six bases in the UK as part of its cost-cutting plan, the airline has announced.

Bases at Aberdeen, Guernsey, Inverness, Isle of Man, Jersey and Newcastle are due to close as the airline looks to save GBP£85 million and shed 500 jobs.

The lead base at Exeter is to face the biggest number of job losses with 116 proposed redundancies, with Belfast City next with 52 job losses.

Saad Hammad, who took over as the the airline's chief executive in August, said: "I know that these proposals are creating great personal uncertainty, but they are necessary to secure a long-term future for Flybe and I am grateful to the various union and staff representatives for the very constructive manner in which we have been able to commence the consultation process."

(Reuters)



So if these 6 close, EXT and BHD continue with MAN BHX and SOU which are the other two to make 7?

[Artic Monkey]

Look North of the border. EDI & GLA

[fade to grey]

See the BA city express thread, getting 3 more EmB jets.....

Surely space for some flybe ?

[Wycombe]

I also heard that the jet fleet is going. Only Q400 for a period

I'm sure all those Flybe customers that make up >90% of SOU's passenger no's are going to love flying to AGP, ALC and FAO in a Q400.

Surely it would cost more to break into leases on fairly new aircraft (esp. the E175's) than to keep flying them....unless the leases can be sold on for a profit, of course??

[Leg]

Airlines don't want experience, they want cheap crew so that means cadets.
Chippy firer is no different, no room there for experienced and some of the best pilots in the UK, ex flybe.

Wycombe, the jets will still fly on the 'sunshine routes', the 195's will make a reappearance next summer.

Hatchet Hammad wants rid of the 175 order. He is so much a beancounter it's almost laughable how he fails to grasp the whole jet vs prop debate. He has absolutely no idea of customer service.

God help those left in a very exposed and drab flybe, he will finish off and destroy what could be a great airline. French/Strong/Rutter started the rot, this idiot will kill the company. How anyone falls for this guys forked tongue & bullying is beyond me.... :mad:

[speedrestriction]

Leg,

I respectfully disagree with almost everything you say. The restructuring is thoroughly necessary - it's a shame that the previous management didn't have the wherewithal to make the necessary changes. The only problem is that the staff are left carrying the can for the previous management's failure.

[Lord Spandex Masher]

The "Sun Routes" from SOU have historically poor yields. Wouldn't surprise me if they were the first to go.

Wycombe, the jets will still fly on the 'sunshine routes', the 195's will make a reappearance next summer.

If you had spoken to any of the Embraer pilots in SOU you might not have written that.

[mad_jock]

funny enough that's were I got my rumour that the jets were going Spandex.

[Jet Set Willie]

Just from a point raised above, Cityflyer now hiring type rated EJet First Officers. Great working there, just not industry leading wages!!

[Leg]

Speed restriction, I deal with the here and now and look forward, not the past.

As I said, the 195's will return next summer, I never mentioned SOU, the company have contracts they must fulfil.

[dontdoit]

Hearing there are some bases where the entire quota of jet crews are being made redundant? Any truth?

[FlyVeryHigh-]

dontdoit,

BHD?

[mad_jock]

Inverness because its shutting and some of them have only had the rating for less than a year after the Q400 went. The flights to LGW are meant to stop in March though I think.

[FlyVeryHigh-]

For the Dash 8 guys maybe!

https://www.career.aero/site/en/job/show/id/1054

[Love_joy]

As with all German outfits, being fluent in German is essential...

But thanks for the heads up.

[RexBanner]

Wasn't for the guys who went there on contract in the summer of which I know two, neither German speakers

[brakedwell]

Nor for Sudflug/Condor in the early nineties.

[Looker]

Sympathies to all you Flybe crew going through the wringer at the moment.

I faced a similar situation at bmi Baby a year or so ago. I survived several rounds of redundancy only to be caught by Mr Walsh's hatchet. The last year or so at Baby was not a positive place to be with the continual threat of redundancy looming.

I was fortunate to be unemployed for only a few weeks before landing a job with Norwegian. I'm now enjoying a much improved work life and feel a lot more secure working for an expanding company.

So what. Big deal. Good for you.

My message to you would be; don't concentrate solely on the negatives, there are positives to be gained from your current situation. I found that forcing myself to take a positive attitude helped an awful lot to accept that I couldn't change things that were out of my control (being made redundant) but to have the courage to change things that were in my control (finding a new and better job).
If I were to be honest with myself I should have moved on from Baby a long time before events came to an abrupt conclusion but the status quo is a powerful force, change is uncertain but often that's where the rewards lie.
On a positive note I think almost every Baby pilot that wanted to continue in the profession found a new flying job, some sooner than others and that included the self sponsored type rating pilots who literally had only a few hundred hours experience on type.
I sincerely hope you all find new and better jobs if your time with Flybe comes to an end.

[scr1]

In the local paper

not a lot said

Flybe boss meets Inverness staff facing job losses | Inverness Courier | News (http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Flybe-boss-meets-Inverness-staff-facing-job-losses-22112013.htm#)

[RexBanner]

Arctic Circle this is something that was brought up in the redundancy talk of January-April and we were told this wasn't an option. Whether that has changed in the intervening period though I have no idea. But the company seemingly weren't willing to do the pilots any favours back then.

[mad_jock]

The Norwegians would go nuts and the unions would kick off if they tried to transfer redundant people.

[JB007]

Whilst I was been made redundant from Thomson in 2010, options were given to join other TUI airlines - worth following up guys

[mad_jock]

Ok swap Finnish for Norwegian.

We had a visit after 6 months running a wet lease in Finland from three union members demanding a job.

Anyway they fly ATR's and aren't in to good a shape themselves.

[Fullback]

Looker

Brilliant post and very encouraging. The only problem is that your type rating was a little more marketable than their's, and gone are the days of 'free' bonded type ratings. This might price a few people off the market.

[mad_jock]

Doesn't change the fact about the unions though.

[mad_jock]

Maybe, but I suspect most won't be able to handle the tax or the climate in Finland in winter.

Its a bit of a shock to the system doing walk rounds in -40.

Unless you move there and get the benefit of the tax you pay. Your not going to have a lot of money in your pocket commuting. I think you also have to a do a year on an emergency tax code which is basically 70% then the next year you get it back the difference and it goes to the normal 50% tax. Not sure of the numbers but I know the first year in country is pretty hard.

[JB007]

Maybe, but I suspect most won't be able to handle the tax or the climate in Finland in winter.

Its a bit of a shock to the system doing walk rounds in -40.

When you are simply in need of a job, surly...totally insignificant! Big picture stuff - nothing has to be forever.

[mad_jock]

I still can't see the Finnish unions allowing it. It will bugger up the upgrades for years and years.

And aritic circle personally I do like the climate as well, well apart from a month of 550m rvr freezing fog.

And yes we have just got out of that annoying +10 to -10 band which is quite frankly a pain in the bum. Back to the white runways and silky smooth landings for 5 months.

[Alan Fresco]

Anyone know of a rumour that A £7m bonus is being dangled in front of Saad if the share price hits 200p? Someone looking to sell? That's a big bonus promise (if true) for an Airline that makes next to no profit and has never issued a dividend.

Shouldn't take too long as every time 'the 5 C's' and 'communication' are mentioned the price goes up by 50p.

[Artic Monkey]

I hear it's £3m for a share price of 200 & £6m for a share price of 300.

To be honest, if the share price is to do that well then the company will too. If he saves the company from the brink then he deserves it.

[4Screwaircrew]

An old friend (Ejet Captain) told me that a visit to a Jet2 road show at Leeds was arranged for the crews, does anyone know how that panned out?