AOC abroad.

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If an aircraft has a full A class, passenger C of A on the UK register, and the operator holds a AOC for that aircraft in the UK, what additional certification, authorisation would the operator need to obtain, in order to base that aircraft for periods of say up to 5 weeks in a country out side of the UK? USA, Namibia, Portugal, Italy, Brazil and some states in the Carribian spring to mind.

Also, engineering support is another issue. Would we be allowed to take our own ground crew with us to carry out BF/AF turn rounds and minor servicing, or would be have to use local engineers licenced in the country we were temporarily based in?

Oh and one last thing, if extra paper work is needed, any one got any idea of cost???

Any connection with a certain BAe-146-301 and a large multinational corporation looking to pass it's operation on to a third party operator is puely coincidence. Honest! ;)

[OneWorld22]

The most important issue here is if you would be flying using your own flight numbers basec in a country outside the UK and flying to non-UK destinations, you would have to get traffic rights for 5th freedom operations. If you were placing this aircraft with another carrier on an ACMI basis and using their flight numbers, then it's not a problem.

Maintenance is the big issue with outstaions, you would have to set up a line maintenance station at this base and show the CAA that you have a JAR/FAA approved MX company that can give you support/spares and also that you have adequate office space etc. Your authority would usually require you have your own mx people there, or if your're using another companies engineers, you have at least one engineer from your own company there. I'm assuming you are JAR145. The CAA might also require an ops representative to be at your base station also.

Basically, your paperwork is all OK providing your AOC allows worldwide operations, in other words, there are no geographical limitations for your aircraft. You just have to satisfy the CAA ops/Airworthiness departments that you have a properly set up outstation. The CAA may also require an inspection of your base, so if it's in the carribean or anywhere nice expect lots or visits from them, all of course at your expense!

Talk to the CAA and they'll tell you what's what.

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OW22,
thanks for the information. We have spoken to the CAA, and they have actually been of some help, especially with the eng support!!! However, our planned type of operation is unusual, and they have not been able to provide us with all the answers yet.
The AOC with worldwide coverage is an issue we still need to examine in detail.

Thanks again.

[Boss Raptor]

If it were to another EU country then very little paperwork for the amount of time you are talking...

However to operate on an AOC of someone outside the EU is very much up to the new 'host' AOC holders authority to say yes or no...at a bare minimum you and the host AOC holder will have to prove that 'safety oversight' is being conducted and that the operation/crews complies with the host AOC's SOPS and Statement of Compliance i.e. that your crews/operational standards are deemed acceptable and being adopted by the host operator and that they have the type on their AOC.

Your authority will also have to make a statement to the hosts' authority that they are happy and able to undertake continued safety oversight at a distance...all the while your maintenance/crewing will continue with your personnel or by local personnel appropriately authorised/validated by you as the operator and by your authority...

Not the case in question here but there is an ICAO procedure known as a Section 83 which allows safety oversight to be transferred from one authority to another whilst the aircraft remains on the originating authority's register. This is usually for the longer term and where for reasons of perfection of title an owner/lessor is unhappy to allow the aircraft to be re-registered to a certain country...and is quite common...

Traffic rights are a separate issue, inside the EU no prob., outside you will be 'fifth freedom' unless flying under the Air Transport Licence of a local operator.

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BR,
All valuable stuff.
Many thanks!
:)