Want to be an Airline Pilot?

[Basset hound]

What a great deal. (for the airline!)

Cadet Program | Air Canada Express | Toronto Calgary (http://www.airgeorgian.ca/recruitment-programs/cadet-program.html)

[KAG]

Have a look at the step 5:
STEP 5
After completing a minimum of four years of employment with Air Georgian, the candidate will be hired at Air Canada as a pilot provided he or she meets the following conditions:

1.You acquire a minimum of 2000 flying hours as a First Officer on a Multi Turbo Prop aircraft as an employee of AGL (“AGL employment”);
2.You successfully complete initial training at the Flight Safety International Academy prior to starting your AGL employment;
3.You obtain and hold a valid Canadian Airline Transport Pilot License;
4.You maintain a clean disciplinary record throughout your AGL employment;
5.You maintain an attendance record that meets or exceeds the standard at AGL during your AGL employment;
6.You successfully complete all required training events during your AGL employment (a maximum of one failed training event that is passed on the subsequent evaluation will be allowed);
7.You consent to AGL disclosing to Air Canada the records necessary to confirm your fulfillment of the conditions listed above; and
8.You pass an Air Canada Pre-Employment Medical exam and a Pre-Employment Security Clearance.

Yep, progressive experience building before getting to Air Canada, the smartest and most coherent Cadet program I have ever seen.

[clunckdriver]

Yes, it may be a step in the right direction, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STEP 3! Why in heavens name would one send an F/O with 2,000hrs "Real Time" to that dredfull "Puppy Farm" in Florida? It just makes no sense. Some time ago we hired a couple of grads from this dreadfull place, they were without a doubt the very worst pilots we ever hired, so bad in fact that I went down South to observe the operation , what a joke! I suspect that the brass at Georgian and Air Canada presume that this place is a reflection of other training centers operated by the same company, its not!

[Basset hound]

Clunk; I think you misinterpreted it; you go through the puppy-mill first, then you gain the hours as a Georgian F/O. Then you proceed to an Air Canada F/O position.

I scoffed at first, but after reconsideration, I think this may be a good plan. Too bad they didn't hook up with a Canadian flight training school.

[Ghost_Rider737]

What about this important piece of information.....

"The cost of this course is approximately US$60,000 and is to be paid for by the candidate."

What a load of bull :mad:

[clunckdriver]

Basset, that school is still a totaly crappy "Puppy Farm", why not train in Canada, in our climate and system? I suspect that the AC brass along with Georgian have no clue about GA, the $60,000 will Im afraid keep some really good kids on the sidelines, but it is a small step in the right direction.

[Ghost_Rider737]

US$ 60 k is shocking. Go to college , get a degree and fly gliders for fun !

[Panama Jack]

Yes, not as good a deal as going to the RCAF and getting free flight training and an F18 to play with but . . .

But for more mortal pilots, cost of going from zero to an unemployed (unemployable?) Comm/multi/IFR these days is around $45,000-$53,000 (for the flying courses only)

With this scheme I believe it includes room & board during the training, a B1900 Type Rating, and a clean job with career path for at least the next 4 years.

Sounds like a pretty good value to me!

[clunckdriver]

DDmow, I am more than willing to do so, however its hard for me to craft a reply to you when your public profile gives no clue as to your aviation qualifications, so do I craft it on the presumption that you are one on the many "Microsoft Pilots", such as populate these sites or do I presume you are a shuttle pilot who wants to keep a low profile?Provide some information as to your qualifications to rate an FTU and if you are indeed qualified I can fill you in by PMs or in public, look forward to seeing your verified background and REAL profile!

[Basset hound]

Well, this should be fun... :ooh:

[benjaavpilot]

well this cadetship looks promising,
anyone has tried it yet? can you pm me the details ?

[20driver]

Not that I'm interested but it seems like an incredible deal. Hard to imagine a newbie getting a better chance anywhere in Canada.

For $ 60 K you have your ratings (that in itself is a very reasonable price) and in theory could be starting in AC in your mid twenties. I suspect having a college degree would be an excellent idea but in theory you could start in on this at 19.

I'm sure the contract has plenty of outs for the employer but at least having that on paper before spending your cash makes it a good deal.

As for puppy farm or not, if you get the ratings and the employer is satisfied that is what matters. I'd suggest the management of Georgian and by implication AC are who you need to pay attention to. I will bet a few beers no one on here is about to offer you anything close.

True you won't need to spend time driving around the north, being a rampie, digging latrine holes, etc and all those other important steps to developing your flying skills but i think you will survive without that.

Personally I would put a lot of effort into that letter. I'm sure they will be getting a lot of them.

Good luck with it.

[atpcliff]

Wait until the AIRLINE pays for your training, AND they pay you a salary while you are in training.

That day will probably be coming, as the pilot shortage gets worse and worse.

cliff
KGRB

[Willie Everlearn]

I would echo Panama Jack's comments.
A step in the right direction is still a step in the right direction.
What I find disappointing is training in the USA. I accept the notion of Florida as it has the weather but aside from that why no partnership with a Canadian school and do the training here?
...$60,000 sounds quite reasonable to me for a self sponsored CPL/ME/IR and a shot at a career.
Certainly more sensible than an MPL!!! (rumoured to be around $185,000 for the same result)

Willie :ok:

[North Shore]

Does it have the wx, though? Why not train in some of the prairie provs, where you'll get just as good wx in the summer, and some decent training in cold wx ops in the winter - after all, you'll be flying in Canada in the winter, not sunny Florida...

[rigpiggy]

At least with 4 yrs at Georgian they will have good hands/feet scan, instrument skills. only 5 autopilot airplanes in the fleet. Flight times average over 900/yr there, so basically they will have 4k, probably a year command, and well indoctrinated into the AC SOP philosophy.

[GiuseppeAlonci]

Someone know if a foreigner can apply?

[Victor_Vector]

Just to put that $60,000 into abit of perspective, it would cost around £80,000 (thats £ not $) to do something similair in Europe.

[phicongduc]

I definitely do not see that coming! Airline paying for your training? Paying you while you are in flight school? Pilot shortage? Where is the pilot shortage? Reality is that young FO pay2fly... That kind of thing has even started over here in Germany!
I think the AC Air Georgian deal is fair, comparing to what you get any other place in the world! And you get a job 90 days after your training! That is pretty nice....
Over here, our fresh Lufthansa pilot cadets have to wait about 2-4 years at the moment to actually get a job with LH.

[250hrsand counting]

What if i already have a TC CPL/ME/IR ;)
Can i get into the beech 1900 F.O program?
Willing to pay my training costs:ugh:
As long as at the end i can get employment with AG:ok:

[+TSRA]

What if i already have a TC CPL/ME/IR
Can i get into the beech 1900 F.O program?
Willing to pay my training costs
As long as at the end i can get employment with AG

Oh god, please tell me you just used the sarcastic font and that you're not actually serious. :ugh: :mad:

Well if you are, grab your own lube because you may as well enjoy it when you become a prostitute to the airlines! :}

I'd suggest the ones that make you feel all warm inside, that way you don't have to worry about paying your heating bill during the winter. ;)

[vancity pilot]

Anyone heard of Sri Lankan Air hiring ab initio cpl?

[250hrsand counting]

lol im actually serious:D except there is another way out
it seems like the only way to get into the airlines now:yuk:(disgusting but true)
Looking to pay my dues and go via instructing but i don't want to be stuck:}
Most companies like AG will take only fresh pilots into the cadet program
My options are still open and fingers crossed, cadet program for CPL holders will be worth paying for as long as it gives a flying job afterwards.:ugh:
Wouldn't mind working a non flying position for a 6 months - a year as long as i get my experience and hours:rolleyes:

[jd3005]

Cover letter, it says 800 words? Is that the recommended or the maximum. Most cover letters I have ever written were quite a bit shorter.

[shamrock125]

Anybody know what type of competition there could be expected for one of these?

As in roughly how may apply, and how many get it?

Seems like an amazing opportunity to me... More than anything else, the fact that you have a secured job!