Navcant
11th Jan 2013, 16:35
Unfortunately this is probably not going to go over well but I must forge ahead. Things that drive us nuts (and I'm sure you have your list as well)
1. "What number are we?" Here's the thing, you can be number 2 and have quite a long downwind and a long final if you're following much slower traffic. You can also be number 6 and turn a normal final with nearly no speed control if the 5 ahead of you are on final, tightly spaced and you are still 15 miles from being abeam the runway. It's a question that we just don't understand as it really doesn't tell you very much. Ask rather: "how long a final can we expect?" Isn't that what you really want to know regardless of whether there's one or six ahead of you?
2. "Airport in sight if it helps" Strangely this is now standard phraseology. If it doesn't help me do you still have it in sight? How about simply "Airport in sight"
3. When we pass you traffic, even known traffic that we know is positively separated from you, it is because we are obligated to. Most common replies are: IMC, in cloud, looking, we're about to go into a layer but we'll be looking. etc.etc. Please, please the only required response is simply: "Roger". Also, if a few seconds later you spot the traffic, we don't need to know (unless of course the traffic was unknown).
4. "Turn left heading 270 to intercept the localizer, cleared ILS approach rwy 24" Reply: "We have the airport in sight." Please, just read back the ILS clearance, otherwise the approach controller is now having to issue you with two approach clearances which can take up valuable time when busy and trying to run a tight localizer.
Thanks for listening.
1. "What number are we?" Here's the thing, you can be number 2 and have quite a long downwind and a long final if you're following much slower traffic. You can also be number 6 and turn a normal final with nearly no speed control if the 5 ahead of you are on final, tightly spaced and you are still 15 miles from being abeam the runway. It's a question that we just don't understand as it really doesn't tell you very much. Ask rather: "how long a final can we expect?" Isn't that what you really want to know regardless of whether there's one or six ahead of you?
2. "Airport in sight if it helps" Strangely this is now standard phraseology. If it doesn't help me do you still have it in sight? How about simply "Airport in sight"
3. When we pass you traffic, even known traffic that we know is positively separated from you, it is because we are obligated to. Most common replies are: IMC, in cloud, looking, we're about to go into a layer but we'll be looking. etc.etc. Please, please the only required response is simply: "Roger". Also, if a few seconds later you spot the traffic, we don't need to know (unless of course the traffic was unknown).
4. "Turn left heading 270 to intercept the localizer, cleared ILS approach rwy 24" Reply: "We have the airport in sight." Please, just read back the ILS clearance, otherwise the approach controller is now having to issue you with two approach clearances which can take up valuable time when busy and trying to run a tight localizer.
Thanks for listening.