Jetgo

[falconx]

anybody no how these guys are going, heard there new aircraft arrive in Darwin last week................

[Barry Mundy]

No replies..

Must be busy working and making money.

[hiwaytohell]

From what I have seen a very professional operation

[skurgler]

Centre and All Stations in the xyz area this s JTG a VFR Regional Jet etc

Is not consistent with

'From what I have seen a very professional operation'

[hiwaytohell]

So what is not professional about VFR in appropriate circumstances??? Don't these guys operate to a number of remote mining strips?

[Stacko]

So what is not professional about VFR in appropriate circumstances??? Don't
these guys operate to a number of remote mining strips?


What IS professional about it?

Can fly into remote mining strips but must remain clear of cloud.... Hmmm.

Please, don't be so naive.

[Gunger]

You've obviously got no idea mate. :ugh:

[hiwaytohell]

Gunger if your comment was at me I can tell you after 36 years flying all over the world I bloody well DO have half an idea!

Stacko... I have had a little bit to do with these guys recently.. If you have real dirt dish it up.... from what I have seen they are a very professional outfit.

What is your story? Are you an ex employee with some issue????? Do you have have some grudge against JR?

If you have real evidence post it!

Otherwise get off their case... seems like a good operation with a chance of making a go of it!... anyone prepared to put their balls on the line to create jobs is admirable!

[compressor stall]

I don't have anything to do with jetgo or their opposition but, if true, I can't think of one sound reason why one would elect fly a regional sized jet VFR on commercial ops.

Knowing mining companies, I'd be surprised if their aviation auditor allowed it.

[hiwaytohell]

CS... I think the comment made re VFR was a bit of sh!t stirring...

At the altitudes they are flying they are obviously not VFR!!!

As I said we have had a little bit to do with these guys recently and from first hand experience they seem to run a very good operation.

[Cactusjack]

As I said we have had a little bit to do with these guys recently and from first hand experience they seem to run a very good operation.
Oh please spare us. You are actively trying to promote JetGo and that is fine, but as soon as somebody raises a point that may be negative you cut them down. Time to grow up and take the good with the bad. If you don't like it then you should take to conventional methods and advertise JetGo in the correct media forum and pay for it from your pocket rather than seek free plugs on pprune.

[Jabawocky]

VFR is a perfectly legitimate flight regime, just as IFR.

OCTA, in VMC, apart from "no reported IFR traffic" and a SAR which is surely being held exactly what is the difference.

For example, repositioning from a mine site to YBMA for fuel, what is the difference?

Clogging up the system?:ugh:

Some of you guys need need to get in the real world just a few times a year.

One mate who flies commercially now but flew fast military jets in Europe and the UK is still pissing his pnts over ths topic........he wonders how on earth he survived all those years. Outback Australia must be a lot more dangerous than sandy war zones and other hostile European destinations :ooh:

[compressor stall]

You answered your question in your second paragraph. No one said it can't be done.

I've spent many years flying VFR and IFR in the outback so am pretty familiar with the real world, if that's what you want call it.

Give me one good reason why you wouldn't fly a turboprop or jet IFR on commercial/awk ops in outback Oz? Even on short positioning flights from the mine to say Isa or Laverton.

[Jabawocky]

If I answered it in the second paragraph, then..... Why would I fly it IFR either? :hmm:

Chicken/ Egg?

Makes no difference and more the point, one is no more "professional" than the other.

The inference was doing the odd VFR leg, for goodness knows what reason s a sign of gross unprofessional operations. Now Stallie, you surely know that ain't true?

Is the glass half full or half empty.......some would complain that the glass is a birt grubby. Others might say the glass is too big.

Just sayin.... :ok:

[compressor stall]

I never mentioned, nor implied, anything about gross unprofessionalism.

The cold fact is that VFR is less safe than IFR.

If I heard a commercial operating jet operating from a to b OCTA under the VFR I'd think that odd. There could be a perfectly valid reason for it, but I can't think of one that would offset the reduction in safety from a risk management point of view. No one else has replied either with one.

Mining companies mostly have higher requirements than CASA in general for aviation operations. The ones I've dealt with over the years insist on all ops (even OCTA and with two separate independant satellite tracking systems on board) being IFR.
For a reason.

[DBTW]

The cold fact is that VFR is less safe than IFR.
Sounds like a personal anxiety problem!

...is it still called agoraphobia when a person is scared of even looking at the outside world when nobody else is around?:)

[compressor stall]

Cheers. I'll pass that on to my therapist. :D :D

[hiwaytohell]

Time to grow up and take the good with the bad. If you don't like it then you should take to conventional methods and advertise JetGo in the correct media forum and pay for it from your pocket rather than seek free plugs on PPRuNe. Ouch! A prickly cactus!!! No I am not seeking to promote Jetgo in anyway, instead provide a little positive input from my observations.

90% of the time the comments made on PPRuNe about many operators have been reasonably consistent with what I have seen, the good, the bad and the ugly.... but on this thread and a previous thread saw some posts that were very negative against these guys but are very different from what I have seen and heard in the air... so what gives?

Why is there a group set on these guys in particular, but say other FIFO operators like Skytrans & Alliance are a protected species (who btw I also think are mostly professional operators).

If someone raises a negative point fine, but back it up!

I knew JR years ago and from what I see he is a guy having a go, and putting his nads on the line. They are creating more flying jobs in what looks like some good equipment!

I sincerely hope they are a success.

[flying-spike]

I would be giving them the benefit of the doubt. As they say: "If faced with either a conspiracy or a a f@#k up I would put my money on the latter" Or words to that effect.
I would suspect they meant to say "visual" and "VFR" came out. By the sounds of it it was a broadcast and rather than expect traffic to translate their positions from visual references to a position relative to a navaid they were letting any potential traffic know that they were aware of their position with reference to the ground.

[Barry Mundy]

No I dont work for them but knowing the CP, JR and AM i can vouch for their professionalism. The operation would be professional run, they have a lot on the line give them a go.

[framer]

Well for a start we don't even know if they are operating VFR flights or not so why argue about whether they should be? Just because some handle called skurgler says he heard a radio call doesn't mean he did. And even if he did, it may have been for good reason. Most airlines will have something in their books about getting approval from the CP if a VFR positioning flight is required. Could have been just that.

[Jetgo Management]

Spike is Correct, still training new US Crew members on correct radio calls for CTAFS etc.. No conspiracy here folks, just a slip of the tongue. In any case, it was a empty reposition flight 50nm in 8/8 blue, cant see the problem, as other member have discussed, even if it had been planned VFR with a SAR time... The act allows for it for obvious reasons

[my oleo is extended]

Apparently it is rumoured you have a new HOTAC, Jetgo management?
Hope your regulatory affairs are in order:ok:

[flying-spike]

"Hope your regulatory affairs are in order"
If ever there was a recipe for practical drift you guys have just added the main ingredient.
From what I understand you have a good relationship with the regulator. You can look forward to that starting to sour from now on.
Still JetGo's gain is Skytrans...........no, that doesn't work either.

Or, it may be a very astute move by Skytrans trying to scuttle a competitor. A veritable Trojan horse with a strong smell of pony poo.

[Barry Mundy]

I know AS well and all i can say at least he fights for his beliefs and not just a lap dog for the powers that be. Congrats Andy.

[Flying Bear]

You're kidding, aren't you?

Can't say I've ever worked with a less honourable person and time will tell for JetGo...

Anyway, I've seen the JetGo aircraft through the NT a few times - hope they can make a go of it, but a rather challenging time to be trying to get amongst it, I would have thought.

[Valley of Hinnom]

I know AS well and all i can say at least he fights for his beliefs and not just a lap dog for the powers that be. Congrats Andy
Falling off my chair laughing.

[falconx]

3 Embraer 135's and still going strong?

[remoak]

The cold fact is that VFR is less safe than IFR.


That is the stupidist thing I have heard in recent times.

Speaking as one who has operated a 125 seat jet VFR (into a Euro airport with no approaches), I can tell you that VFR, like IFR, is as safe as you make it.

Having 100 miles vis under sunny skies is generally safer than carrying out approaches to minima...

[approachchecks]

I think the only problem here is that some of these outback pilots have only flown in OZ. VFR ops is not uncommon in the likes of the UK, Europe. We used position our E135's between STN and LTN and Farborough VFR. Not unsafe and I guarentee there is alot more traffic than Outback.
Flying into Samedan........visual and a tough approach......cant compare to flying in the outback......unless you hit a kANGAROO on the dirt strip!!

I dont see why there is all the moaning. I suppose its just the nature of this site. If you are not going to offer any help or answer the thread question, then dont come on here.

Maybe go fly elsewhere for some proper experience. Anyone can fly in great weather, its when it turns to sh..it that you shine.

Fly safe guys.
:ok:

[compressor stall]

FFS.

LESS safe and UNsafe are two very different things.

[Mr Stickshaker]

Hi just wondering if any one knows Who is the "silent" partners are that own Jetgo.

[genxfrog]

For a small fee you might be able to find out by doing a Company Search on the ASIC website.

[aussie1234]

Could anyone please tell me the routes that jetgo now fly? I am aware of Brisbane- Osbourne Mine and Townsville- Osbourne Mine are there any others. Just curious
Cheers.

[falconx]

Isn't the ex CEO of Aviation Australia involved "Paul"?

[falconx]

Well considering JTG has been on the ground a little while one would assume the other aircraft has been flying ( I don't think it's listed on the exemption)

[beaver_rotate]

Eyyy Sounds like palm is. ey? Sir Rank will sort it out, just hush your mouth

[TWOTBAGS]

Turkey do you honestly think Jetgo would be operating without the explicit approval both the mine and CASA.

Ever thought that maybe its been extended or replaced..... maybe go ask virgin about their Narrow Runway Supplement as well.

I think Jim Henson's old company has a job opening for you.


Jim Henson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson) :ugh: