atc charges in germany

[md 600 driver]

hi all
i have returned from russia to uk in a helicopter 1900 kg vfr and have just been sent a bill for just under 21 euros any one know if this is correct and legal or just a scam
steve

[Lon More]

Yes, you used the air.



:hmm:

[md 600 driver]

lon more

many thanks i thought it was a scam i will pay it

[Lon More]

My answer was a bit tongue in cheek.You might like to read this. (http://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/default/files/content/documents/route-charges/reference-documents/2011/customer_guide_2011_version5-0.pdf) Yes it could be a scam, there's info there on how to check it

added
VFR Excemptions. (http://www.eurocontrol.int/content/flights-undertaken-memy-company-are-made-under-visual-flight-rules-vfr-only-why-am-i-receivi)

[md 600 driver]

well i posted the cheque this afternoon when you said it was correct

but it seems now after reading link that aircraft vfr and under 2 tonnes are not supposed to be charged in germany

i came on here for some advice from a atc person that i would have expected them to know as in the uk ive never had a charge sent to me

so some duff advice got them some money good job its only 21 euros

[eagleflyer]

Was it enroute fee or did you land on an international aerodrome and they charged you a departure fee?? These will also affect VFR flights, enroute charges for flights below 2 tonnes should not be collected.

[md 600 driver]

No I paid all my airport fees at each airport before I left

[Spitoon]

well i posted the cheque this afternoon when you said it was correct

but it seems now after reading link that aircraft vfr and under 2 tonnes are not supposed to be charged in germany

i came on here for some advice from a atc person that i would have expected them to know as in the uk ive never had a charge sent to me

so some duff advice got them some money good job its only 21 eurosAre you new here?

If you're flying a 2 tonne heli around Europe you must know that you'll find the definitive answers or a pointer of who to contact in the AIP - and that's not much harder to check than asking on a web site that is seemingly populated fewer and fewer professional contributors!

More usefully it might have been helpful to mention who was billing you and what the charges were for. Maybe then you would have got a more specific answer.

Grumble over - and sorry you got the rough end of it - but it's been a bit of a bad day.

[Blockla]

Yeah well obviously it's Lon More's fault you got scammed...

Maybe you should Sue him for your 21 Euros... (sic)

If you weren't supposed to be charged and you paid the bill, simply write to them explaining that you thought your aircraft was exempt and request a refund. If you are entitled to a refund, I'm sure you will receive it.

[italianjon]

Did you land at any of these?

Berlin (Tegel, Tempelhof,
Schönefeld), Bremen, Dresden, Düsseldorf, Erfurt, Frankfurt,
Hamburg, Hannover, Köln/Bonn, Leipzig, München, Münster-
Osnabrück, Nürnberg, Saarbrücken, and Stuttgart

If so, then check the receipt carefully, because DFS charge Terminal Fees for approaching the airport. I got caught by Nürnberg once. No big deal, but paid landing fee to airport, but DFS billed me separately for the use of ATC facilities to land there. Can't remember how much I paid now.

[Lon More]

Yeah well obviously it's Lon More's fault you got scammed...

Maybe you should Sue him for your 21 Euros... (sic)

you could try http://www.messentools.com/images/emoticones/humor/www.MessenTools.com-Humor-risa-jijiji.gif

meantime, I've got this bridge over the River Thames you might like to buy

[rennaps]

md 600
Why didn't you just cancel the cheque?