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HermanTheGerman
21st Sep 2012, 07:23
Hi,
several videos of this aircraft on youtube- looking like the owner/pilot was flying a FAR 25 aircraft single hand. Can somebody enlighten us if that was legal?
wishing a quick and full recovery to the injured persons on board.

flydive1
21st Sep 2012, 09:10
For what I read there were 2 pilots on board.

EDMJ
21st Sep 2012, 09:54
According to Danish media

- the second person on the aircraft has described himself as being a passenger only,
- the local police has issued a warrant for arrest against the pilot for "having flown the aircraft without the necessary licences/skills", and for alleged fraud in connection with fuel payment on a previous visit (presumably to Rønne as well).

boeing_eng
24th Sep 2012, 12:32
Preliminary report here.......scary stuff! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://havarikommissionen.instant.cohaesio.net/~/media/Files/Havarikommissionen/Havarirapporter/Luftfart%202012/HCLJ510_2012_155%20foreloebig.ashx

Newforest2
24th Sep 2012, 13:41
Looks as though it landed in a crop 'circle'.

transilvana
24th Sep 2012, 13:46
RODEO AIR??

No pilot license, no second pilot, no airworthiness certificate, no fuel, THIS GUY HAS A BIG PROBLEM!!!

cldrvr
24th Sep 2012, 14:09
At least he was a good neighbour, no issues with noise abatement. You gotta compliment the guy on that one at least.

jr of dallas
24th Sep 2012, 14:32
Germans love their gliders !:}

boeing_eng
24th Sep 2012, 14:36
This Lear was in a Museum at Altenrhein in Switzerland for some time (so a few eyebrows were raised when it appeared in the skies again last year!)

Looks like it definitely should have stayed on the ground!:=

oy05
24th Sep 2012, 15:26
Maybe a little more to this story:
En pilot for lidt i flystyrt på Bornholm (http://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/trafik/article4845621.ece)
Google translation of the story:
It goes slowly forward with the investigation of the crash on Saturday near the airport in the Ronne Bornholm.

Police have at Rigshospitalet questioned the Polish man who was on the plane, and he explained that he was only passenger on the flight in Learjet 24D aircraft.

"He has not had any pilot-related function onboard," says Henrik Schou from the Investigation Division of Bornholm Police to P4 Bornholm.

Type of aircraft requires two pilots

Accident Investigation Board, investigating the crash, has previously stated that aircraft type should have two pilots on board. Now, the Commission shall assess whether to take criminal charges against the pilot.

Bornholm Police through Wednesday wreckage with drug dogs in a hangar in Bornholm Airport.

"We have just not found anything. But we are not finished with the search," says Henrik Schou to P4 Bornholm.

The pilot, a 37-year-old Mexican, can only be questioned later. He was severely injured and has been kept in an artificial coma at Rigshospitalet

His dudeness
24th Sep 2012, 17:30
Germans love their gliders !

Scratch that, the guy was a mexican....

KBPsen
24th Sep 2012, 18:14
the guy was a mexican....
Possibly. It seems he has been using more than one name, one of them sounding more German than Mexican. I don't think his identity has been fully established.

FLEXJET
24th Sep 2012, 19:13
This Lear 24 was also used for testing according to some web sites.
Owner of the company involved and pilot named Leonardo Ruiz:
World Bioenergy 2012 Matchmaking (http://www.b2match.eu/worldbioenergy2012/participants/87)

Take-off and low-pass:
Learjet 24 D-CMMM very low pass - YouTube
Start Learjet 24-D, D-CMMM in Strausberg - YouTube

Berlin-Dresden in 20 minutes:
Learjet 24 D-CMMM / Berlin-Dresden in 20 minutes - YouTube

PURPLE PITOT
24th Sep 2012, 20:17
Enough evidence for a prosecution there! Scary.

CEQforever
24th Sep 2012, 20:30
No crew license and no airworthiness certificate!!?? And all this in the middle of Europe!!??

Ok no more jokes about the Congo from now on......:p :ok:

Tu.114
24th Sep 2012, 20:32
Here is the preliminary report of the Danish Havarikommissionen.

http://havarikommissionen.instant.cohaesio.net/~/media/Files/Havarikommissionen/Havarirapporter/Luftfart%202012/HCLJ510_2012_155%20foreloebig.ashx (http://havarikommissionen.instant.cohaesio.net/%7E/media/Files/Havarikommissionen/Havarirapporter/Luftfart%202012/HCLJ510_2012_155%20foreloebig.ashx)

Seems that there is plenty more grounds for prosecution coming up: the registration appears to have been revoked in 2009 and the last CoA expired in early 2005 already.

Somehow, I have the gut feeling that there is a rather long story to this accident.

transilvana
24th Sep 2012, 21:13
Ok no more jokes about the Congo from now on......

And in the middle of lovely and perfect Germany??? wauuuuu, LBA is going to love this one, and we will love the jokes on them for years to come

Doodlebug
24th Sep 2012, 21:16
We get into a froth about having our EFBs and FMSs updated, agonise over loadsheets calculated to the last elusive gramme, worry about performance-issues, terrorise our poor girls so as to not have any loose items in the cabin or the lavatorys, check, re-check and re-re-check all documentation, licenses, certificates and insurances, worry about cabotage issues, religiously keep the HIL legal, etc, and so forth ad nauseum... and these clowns apparently fling themselves about the regulated-to-death skies of the Great European Project in their completely illegal little pocket-rocket for an entire THREE YEARS, unmolested by officialdom? Hang on, keep that slick little shyster alive, I'm inbound to ask him how the hell he did it! :eek:

zolfen
25th Sep 2012, 04:05
This Aircraft has been offered for commercial use weeks ago based on a frauded/counterfeit AOC!

His dudeness
25th Sep 2012, 06:51
middle of lovely and perfect Germany

So you live in a parallel universe then?

Ever dealt with the LBA? Where Dumbo and Dontknow manage things?...


I'm inbound to ask him how the hell he did it!

Thats easy Doodlebug, you just have to do it. And for the regs, this is the proof that they don`t work.

The moment there is a SAFA check, they will catch you, but other than that? You`ll need to crah obviously.

The 'funny' thing is, this will result in even more rigourous bulls... enforced on the folks who already follow the regs.

Welcome to the socialist states of Europe, the 'light' soviet model.

transilvana
25th Sep 2012, 11:02
So you live in a parallel universe then?

Ever dealt with the LBA? Where Dumbo and Dontknow manage things?...


I´m in the twilight zone...jeje. What I like about this story is the videos, low past flying and the engine noise on that LR24

Spunk
2nd Oct 2012, 05:54
wauuuuu, LBA is going to love this one, and we will love the jokes on them for years to come

And do you know what their answer will be? "No AOC? So it's not under our jurisdiction."

Believe me. We've reported several commercial and even private pilots flying around on a commercial basis without an AOC or any whatsoever permission and everytime the answer was the same: "No AOC, not our business."

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

what next
2nd Oct 2012, 08:14
Believe me.

I do. Because when I was doing mainly corporate flying outside an AOC, I have been reported to the authorities dozens of times. And inspected and questioned dozens of times. Not by LBA (because it is really not their business!) but by the local aviation authority ("Landesluftfahrtbeörde") who has a person in charge ("Beauftragter für Luftaufsicht") at every airport and licensed airfield. But LBA should have told you that when you tried to report illegal activities? Even SAFA checks fall under the responsibility of the local authorities, not the federal authority (LBA).

ksjc
14th Oct 2012, 22:30
From Ainonline.com

During the preliminary accident investigation, German authorities informed the Danish Accident Investigation Board that the Learjet’s pilot did not possess a valid German pilot certificate. The passenger aboard was not a pilot, which meant the aircraft was operated in violation of its certification, which requires two certified pilots aboard the aircraft at all times.

The Danish accident report said the “wreckage and the wreckage trail pattern were consistent with a low forward airspeed and a steep descent stall.” The pilot was on final approach to Runway 29 at Bornholm, where the winds were reported as 280 at 19 knots, gusting to 29 knots. Moments before the accident, the pilot declared an emergency three different times.

Investigators also found four of five fuel tanks empty. While the fuselage tank contained 42 gallons of fuel, the fuel transfer and cross-feed valves were closed, preventing its use. German aviation authorities also said the Learjet’s registration had been cancelled in 2009 and that the latest valid airworthiness certificate expired in March 2005.

FerrypilotDK
14th Oct 2012, 22:52
Anyone know the latest on the health/questioning of the "pilot?"

WestWind1950
29th Nov 2012, 13:26
just found this article.... sorry, in German only

Nordkurier - Nachrichten - Brandenburg (http://www.nordkurier.de/cmlink/nordkurier/nachrichten/brandenburg/ein-mysterioser-flieger-aus-strausberg-1.511195)

mushroom69
7th Dec 2012, 01:54
So he is still being held for another 4 weeks, as of the middle of November. Not much else new, except that there are some politicians looking to make points as to why the aircraft was flying at all, considering that both the aircraft and the "pilot" were paperless........

deserted
16th Dec 2012, 18:53
Seem to be a lot of jobs but not so many drivers.... with more large orders is this the type of choice?

Tony Mabelis
16th Dec 2012, 19:14
Capt. Honeywell on permanent standby to fill all positions;)

transilvana
17th Dec 2012, 14:37
at 70.000$ + cost for TR it´s not worth to spend the money

oy05
17th Dec 2012, 20:51
Final report:
http://hcl.dk/da/nyheder/luftfart/20121217-endelig-rapport-hclj510_2012_155/~/media/Files/Havarikommissionen/Havarirapporter/Luftfart%202012/HCLJ510_2012_155.ashx
Apperantly a wanted iranian behind the stick:
Pilot fra bornholmsk flystyrt viser sig at være eftersøgt iraner - Politiken.dk (http://politiken.dk/indland/ECE1845815/pilot-fra-bornholmsk-flystyrt-viser-sig-at-vaere-eftersoegt-iraner/)
Google translate:
The pilot, who in September fell by a smaller jets on the island, is not Mexican, he claimed to be.

Instead, he is an internationally sought after Iranian.

"We are very confident now. The confusion comes because he in connection with the accident took advantage of a fake Mexican identity, "said Police Commissioner Peter Jørgensen from Bornholm Police to tv2.dk.

The two people who were aboard the plane that crashed on Bornholm field, survived both.

Known in several countries
AIB has just published a report concluding that the plane crashed due to faulty operation of the aircraft fuel pump.

This meant that the two engines ran out of fuel while the aircraft flew at low altitude and at a decreasing rate, writes the commission.

According to police, the 37-year-old pilot known for various crimes in several countries, including in Germany, who want to extradite him in connection with a major case of fraud.

In addition, police in both the U.S. and Poland also have knowledge of the man.

3rd January starts a lawsuit against the 37-year-old man before the Court on Bornholm, where he was charged in several cases that have brought others' lives at risk and for fraud in connection with that during a previous visit to Bornholm have added fuel to 30000 crowns without pay.

A 27-year-old Pole, who accompanied the Iranian on the plane, according tv2.dk not charged with anything and still have severe injuries after the crash.

AIB has not been able to find information about Iran's flying skills - like the two people were not in possession of a pilot license.

deserted
18th Dec 2012, 05:01
lots of jobs around.... several vacancies in Dubai.....
:ok:

oy05
4th Jan 2013, 06:31
Ekstra Bladet - Fup-pilot flj med passagerer i flere r (http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1892328.ece)
Google translate:
Three times put a 37-year-old fake pilot his passengers' lives at risk when he in 2012 flew around in Denmark without a valid license, without the required medpilot and without his Learjet aircraft was approved by the authorities.

This is the indictment against the 37-year-old Ruiz Camberi Leonardo, probably Iranian, but claims he was born in Mexico.

He was currently on trial in Ronne, after his plane crashed in a corn field near Bornholm Airport on 15 September last year, when the aircraft two engines ran out of fuel.

Read also: Plane crash: Fire locked behind the gate

The pilot and his Polish passenger was seriously injured and clamped in the wreck, but they survived because corn field seemed like a giant airbag, which took the force of the crash.

Ruiz Camberi Leonardo is among other things accused of having left their passengers' lives at risk when he flew illegally three times in Denmark, but he denies charges.

A video on YouTube reveals that the pilot already in 2011 flew with passengers in Germany in the same non-approved aircraft that crashed on the island.

You can see vidoen from YouTube to article

The video shows a flight with a German family from Berlin, flying from Strausberg Airport south of Berlin to Dresden and return the third July 2011. Completely ignorant, the German family risked their lives, because the 37-year-old flew without medpilot, without a certificate and although the aircraft airworthiness certificate was revoked.

Roland Schiller, his wife Mandy and the couple's children flew with fake pilot Learjetten with Ruiz Camberi Leonardo's wife.

The aircraft requires two pilots
A Learjet 24 D requires two pilots, but the video controls Ruiz Camberi Leonardo plane alone - and with the German family's teenage son in the co-pilot's seat. On the return flight to Berlin the boy allowed to control the plane, according to the video.

The 10 minute video was commissioned by Ruiz Camberi Leonardo as a promotional video.

Learjetten with register no D-CMMM had Ruiz Camberi Leonardo hype themselves as he is wanted in Germany for fraud and reported the fraud in several other countries, according to TV2 Bornholm in this program about the crash.

The trial in Ronne has not solved the mystery of Ruiz Camberi Leonardo's real identity:

- We have actually three identities on him, but we think he is Iranian, without that we are 100% sure it says exploration manager Peter Jørgensen, Bornholm police, to ekstrabladet.dk.

Deported from U.S.
In 2006, Ruiz Camberi Leonardo deported from the U.S. to Mexico after the fraudulent sale of aircraft parts. The FBI has his fingerprints and he was in the United States known as his - probably false - Mexican identity.

In the broken plane on the island was found two similar fake U.S. pilot certificates with different names, but in court today claimed Ruiz Camberi Leonardo that he was trained pilot in Mexico.

Crash on the island was 'disaster only waiting to happen' said experts from the Transport Authority in court today.

Pilot passenger was a Polish friend who went on a pleasure trip to Bornholm. He broke his back and the pilot was even badly injured and limped into court today on two crutches. He has been in custody in Ronne arrest since the crash.

The prosecution wing fake pilot whose training, background and experience could not be traced, three times illegally in Denmark.

Tricked into fuel
He landed and took off on 28 July in Copenhagen Airport, 28 August in the Bornholm Airport and 15 September went wrong on the island when the plane both engines stopped due to fuel shortages.

During the trip to Bornholm on 28 August deceived him, according to the indictment, Bornholm Air Service for almost DKK 30,000 for 2557 liters of fuel, because his credit card was blocked.

Police suspect that the trip to Bornholm on 15 September at nearly empty tanks was also an attempt to get the plane filled free up - but the police have not been indicted for.

After the crash tapped AIB 160 liters of fuel of the main tank that was not turned on. The 160 liters was enough to plane could be landed safely on the island of Bornholm, but too little by aviation regulations.

There must be enough fuel for the plane to find another airport or circling around, if there are problems with the countries in the intended airport.

Sentencing of pilot drops later this month.

Bank_Left
11th Jan 2013, 17:04
The pilot now is sentenced to ten months prison for having endangered peoples' lives by flying without the appropriate licenses and without a co-pilot, also for causing bodily harm to his two passengers in the crash. Ekstra Bladet - Fup-pilot dmt efter flystyrt (http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1897417.ece)

Yellow & Blue Baron
12th Jan 2013, 17:27
The pilot now is sentenced to ten months prison

When he gets out I think I know of a ferry pilot he could probably connect with to set up a new business!