About 15 minutes of Pure Pleasure...

[petermcleland]

High Speed Low Level Cliff Soaring - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_....M&v=p62J4fZNQjs)

[nitpicker330]

Oh, I thought you were talking about a Bangkok overnight......:}

[BOAC]

Only 15 minutes............?

[funfly]

Are gliders not required to observe the 100' rule?

[JW411]

Not when ridge soaring.

[astir 8]

err ..... 500 foot rule?

Gliders still exempt when ridge soaring though! I've never tried sea cliffs but get up close & personal with the Cairngorms quite often.


Very good quality for (presumably) small cameras taped to wingtip & tailplane. Must get one

[mad_jock]

Is it compulsory to wear a tea cozy sun hat in glider?

[astir 8]

Only when the sun is shining!:ok:

[JW411]

When you are at 27,000 feet above Aboyne surrounded by nothing but the very best polished canopy, a bunnet is quite important.

We once calculated that if you could keep the canopy into sun going up and down the wave, then that was the equivalent of a 1 KW heater.

Your feet were another problem for they were underneath the instrument panel.

I had a mate who was a Chief Tech at Brize Norton and he invented heated boots. The experiment was not entirely a success and he came down with singed feet. We all thought it was quite funny and a good night was had in Balnacoyle!

[India Four Two]

astir8,

Gliders still exempt when ridge soaring though!
Can you tell me where to find the exemption?

Very good quality for (presumably) small cameras taped to wingtip & tailplane. Must get one

Look up GoPro

[ChrisJ800]

Nice video. Anyone know the glider type, looks like a 15m?

[treadigraph]

Fantastic video - I shall be walking that stretch sometime in the next year or two year and hope the conditions will be suitable for such antics to keep us entertained!

Chris, the glider is an ASW-20.

[ETOPS]

India Four Two

Can you tell me where to find the exemption?



http://www.gliding.co.uk/forms/lawsandrules.pdf

6.23 Low Flying. A glider shall not fly over any congested area below
1,000 feet above the congested area or the highest fixed object within
a horizontal radius of 600 metres of the aircraft, whichever is the
higher. Nor shall it fly over or within 3,000 feet of any open-air
assembly of more than 1,000 persons (without specific CAA
permission).
Exemption to the 1,000 foot rule exists for hill soaring, for normal takeoff
or landing at licensed airfields and for life saving.
A glider shall not fly closer to any person, vessel, vehicle or structure
than 500 feet, except with the permission in writing of the Authority.
Exemption to the 500 foot rule exists for hill soaring, for normal take-off
and landing, and for life saving.
“Congested area” in relation to a city, town or settlement means any
area which is substantially used for residential, industrial, commercial
or recreational purposes
SI 2007
No 734
Rule 5, 6
ANO 2009
Art 255

[cats_five]

Google will find you the exemption but it is in para. 6.23 Low Flying of the BGA Laws & Rules.

http://www.gliding.co.uk/forms/lawsandrules.pdf

And don't the wings on that ASW20 bend beautifully?

[ETOPS]

Beat you to it by 4 minutes :ok:

[cats_five]

I spent too much time admiring the bendy wings... :cool:

[Pace]

Great video which promotes the idea of gliding to me very well! What do gliders cost? I am talking about a modern but not new middle of the range machine
All looks challenging and instinctive flying :ok:

Pace

[Jim59]

There are a few gliders on sale here (a popular glider pilots' forum):
Glider Pilot Network > Welcome (http://www.gliderpilot.net/)
Many are priced.

[cats_five]

How long is a piece of string? Price varies greatly with condition, instrumentation and the state of the trailer.

[6amtime4bed]

Baleka has some amazing vids on Utube , and not all gliders cos he drives a Jumbo as a day job !!

[OpenCirrus619]

Can you tell me where to find the exemption?

Check out: CAP393.pdf (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf) - the ANO.

Page 334:
Exemptions from the low flying prohibitions - 6(g)
A glider shall be exempt from the 500 feet rule if it is hill-soaring.
OC619

[astir 8]

Mr Pace

Glass gliders these days anything from about 9 grand up to very silly money for brand new state of the art + instruments aircraft. But for 25 grand-ish you can have something secondhand but very acceptable.

Insurance on that value will depend on pilots experience but say £800

Annual maintenance/Airworthiness review say £250

Glider trailer parking varies with club from £0 to £300 ish/year

However most gliders are shared in syndicates of 2 or 3 people so divide all the above by 3.

Gliding club annual membership very variable £200 to !!!!

Winch launch about £8 or 2000' aerotow about £35.

After that, cost per hour depends on how many hours you fly per year and per launch! (plus the cost of the gliding induced divorce - that really hurts!):
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Sorry MJ - add the cost of the hat. About £7. Its life depends on how often you use it for glider cleaning etc.

[snapper1]

Cost of an ASW20 like the one in the vid is currently about £20,000 to £24,000. It cost me £7,000 for a one-third share in a syndicate flying an ASW20-CL (15 metre with 16.5 metre extensions). Brilliant soaring machine with the performance of much more expensive sailplanes.

If you would like to sample a bit more glider 'porn' try this -
Nimrod.mpg - YouTube

[abgd]

Or a hang-glider for £4000 new or £300 used. Club membership for £20 a year and £5 for a winch launch. A glide angle only marginally better than a spamcan, but the flyingest sort of flying I've ever experienced.

[tggzzz]

I spent too much time admiring the bendy wings... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/cool.gifIn which case you might like this
Passage du planeur ETA - Vidéo Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-eta_extreme)
<http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-eta_extreme>

[cats_five]

Or a hang-glider for £4000 new or £300 used. Club membership for £20 a year and £5 for a winch launch. A glide angle only marginally better than a spamcan, but the flyingest sort of flying I've ever experienced.

A hang glider is cheap because they forgot to include an undercarriage. I also don't fancy flying one in wave at FL120 in winter..

[cats_five]

In which case you might like this
Passage du planeur ETA - Vidéo Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-eta_extreme)
<http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-eta_extreme>

You are right. :) Loved how one could see the wings flexing as G increased and decreased - fabulous bend as he pulled up at the end of the field. ASH25 I suspect.

[Prop swinger]

ASH25 I suspect.
...or possibly not...<Passage du planeur ETA - Vidéo Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s14v_passage-du-planeur-)eta_extreme>

[cats_five]

Oops! Missed spotting that it was a single canopy as it shot past.

It's had an exciting history:

Three etas have been manufactured. The second prototype was extensively damaged in 2003 during the spin tests required for the type certification but both pilots parachuted to safety. The prototype was repaired and the tests completed successfully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_(glider)

Maker's website looks very out of date as well, maybe it's no longer in production...

eta-aircraft (http://www.leichtwerk.de/eta/en/news/index.html)

[abgd]

A hang glider is cheap because they forgot to include an undercarriage. I also don't fancy flying one in wave at FL120 in winter..

Horses for courses... I agree with you about winter flying, but I'm considering taking it up again come this summer.

I don't see anything wrong with leaving the undercarriage off though.

[ShyTorque]

I don't see anything wrong with leaving the undercarriage off though.

The best aviation advice I was given, some 35 years ago: "Never fly anything where you risk using your ar$e for an undercarriage".

[abgd]

That would be paragliders then, or perhaps a 35 year old hang-glider.

The pilot of a modern hang glider lies prone so things would have to go seriously wrong to end up on your ar£e. If things are going pear shaped you can elect to stay within the control-frame which offers a considerable amount of protection, and unless you're flying a competition glider you probably will have wheels either side of the base bar.

Apologies for my pedantry.

[astir 8]

I think I'd prefer using my rear end as an undercarriage than my b*****ks!:eek:

[Dg800]

Your feet were another problem for they were underneath the instrument panel.

Speak for yourself, some of us actually have problems keeping our feet cool (check my username)!

:cool:

Maker's website looks very out of date as well, maybe it's no longer in production...

eta-aircraft (http://www.leichtwerk.de/eta/en/news/index.html)

It actually never was, technically. It was a privately funded project, funded by some rather well-off pilots who never intended to turn it into a commercial operation. As soon as all of them had their own glider manufacturing was discontinued.
The aim of the project was to win every competition in the open-class (a.k.a. unlimited class), all the way to the World Championship. They unfortunately failed in that regard. :}

Here (http://www.binder-flugmotorenbau.de/eb29.html?&L=1) is something you can actually buy, if you have a spare half-million lying around. :sad:

Ciao,

Dg800

[abgd]

I think I'd prefer using my rear end as an undercarriage than my b*****ks!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gif

Stop doing pelvic thrusts as you fly, and it won't be a problem.