SRG\1119 A/B/C

[pembroke]

First, before anyone else says it, "happy Sept. 17th"
Now to the above. Re. the latest form to issue, revalidate or renew a rating, I see that "Medical fitness" has crept in. I have written to L&TS pointing out the following. The form is entitled "Application for ...Class or Type rating", and yet section 3 Medical notes that "your medical certificate must be valid on the licence issue date" etc. This is a self declaration, especially for a "revalidation by experience", and is for a rating , not a licence issue. Re 1178/2011 and AMC/GG, AMC/FCL 740, a medical is not required to revalidate or renew a rating. For those who may think the medical should be in place for a rating revalidation etc, as said before on this forum, there are circumstances where the rating can be revalidated but the pilot not fly because of a temporary medical condition.
The above forms also imply a payment for any rating "transaction". Under EASA any time period outside the revalidation period requires specific training c/o an ATO, and there isn't a 5 year limit after which the paperwork is issued by the CAA.
Finally, re IN_2012/110 (LAPL)para 2.6, "there will no requirement for an independent sign off by an examiner". Does this mean no rating page sign off or simply no form to submit?
PS if CFE or anyone at LGW reads this, can you please re issue the FE handbook ASAP. I have written, e mailed, and 'phoned with only two sensible replies in the last year

[Stampe]

I,ve been an examiner for the last 30 years, my faith in the CAA has reached an all time low.Closely following the Olympic fiasco it seems they are eager to finish GA once and for all.I,m wading through the new examiner handbook trying to make some sense of it.I shall not be carrying out any licensing actions until I am confident that I understand the process properly I think that will take some time!!VBR Stampe

[Whopity]

Most of the new forms have errors. The PPL Skill Test form SRG2128 asks for the candidate's Licence Type! If they had a licence they would not be using this form! There is a notice relating to CAA Regulation 6, which is only relevant if the candidate fails yet there is no such information on SRG1129 the Notice of Failure form!

The PPL Application SRG1105 requires an "Original Qualifying Cross Country Certificate" The "Qualifying Cross Country" was part of the UK PPL that ceased in June 1999! For the last 12 years it has been an experience requirement and is certified as part of the training by the ATO. There is no EASA requirement for such a form! Nobody converting an ICAO licence will have one yet it is called for!

[pembroke]

Stampe, you mention the new FE handbook. Is this being sent by post or do we have to download it?

[Linda Mollison]

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts_FlightExaminersHandbookA_H_Sept2012a.pdf

[pembroke]

Thanks for that, I've just opened my e mail and see it is there alongside stds. docs etc.(via the CAA subscriptions info). It would have been nice if the FEs could have had this posted!

[hughcant]

Stampe. I couldn't agree with you more. The over regulation is adding more to the cost of retaining ratings (certificates under EASA!) and the addition of a flight examiner's' seminar is yet another example of this. How much is attendance at one of these likely to cost? :* I am all for having a vehicle to keep up with the latest items affecting the flight examiner world but is it really necessary to have a seminar in addition to a supervised LPC/Skill test? Practically, the latter will have to be executed with the FE under supervision acting as the examiner with the "student" being the examiner of the FE. So that's another £225 plus the hire of the aircraft. I didn't become an FE (or instructor for that matter) to make money but on the other hand, with the introduction of the requirement to attend a seminar, I will struggle to cover my costs without charging the sort of fees that CAA staff examiners are entitled to charge.:ugh:

[S-Works]

Actually there is no charge for the CAA run flight Examiner seminar. They hold one every year over 2 days at Gatwick and even provide the food. I try to go every year as they are informative and it gives you a chance to meet and exchange ideas with other examiners.

The next one is 22/23 October and the CAA have already stated that it meets the requirements as an Examiner Seminar.

[hughcant]

Thanks for the information bose-x. While the seminars may be free now, the CAA has stated that future seminars for PPL examiners will be allowed to be done by ATOs approved by the CAA, which is similar to the set-up for the extant instructor seminars. To that end, there will inevitably be a charge made as those ATOs taking on the task will need to make money from their service provision.

[Linda Mollison]

bose-x

The October CAA seminar is the last one that they will run.

Linda

[JuicyLucy]

Only the CAA could come up with 4 forms to replace 1!
So now we have 7 page renewal/revalidation 1119 plus an examiner 2199 for each LPC we do!
The 2199 has 5 false representation reminders on it!
And I stupidly thought we had enough paperwork already....

[Whopity]

Only the CAA could come up with 4 forms to replace 1!And if you look in the AMC and Guidance Material to Part FCL you find all the forms in a standardised European Format. But if you used those you couldn't justify charging £630 to be briefed on the unique UK forms!

[Stampe]

Anyone managed to download the flowchart N4 SEP,SSEA revalidation flowchart tantalisingly advertised on P156 of the examiners handbook but missing from my download?I,m still not confident enough yet to carry out any licensing actions and await a reply from FCL to my email raising questions so far!I guess the belgrano team are making up the answers before replying.What a mess..no doubt there will be a CAA press release shortly announcing what a success it has all been(dutifully carried by the aviation media).Honours and pay rises all round for Dame Drearys team no doubt.VBR Stampe

[ifitaintboeing]

Flow Chart N4: I suspect it will be a 'cut and paste' from the old FEH and Standards Document 11, with the non-National stuff removed.

[Dave Cornwall]

I can top 7 pages. I've just done a renewal, the poor chap has to send off 10 pages! That's his renewal form, plus my examimers report.

When I was first an examiner, all you had to do was look at their logbook, check the hours flown, then stamp and sign it. That was a system that was simple and it worked.

Also, has anyone found any sign of the mythical examiner seminar? The cost of examiner rating is going to be well over a £1000 now. The CAA/EASA or whatever it is were supposed to be ruled by are killing us!

[ifitaintboeing]

Also, has anyone found any sign of the mythical examiner seminar?

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