NORWEGIAN B787 Dreamliner Screenings

[744 NOMAD]

I am attending a DEC B787 Dreamliner Screening for Norwegian next week in Oslo, Norway. Has anyone been to the screening yet?

If so how was it? i.e. the sim and the interview.

Are there any technical questions in the interview? Should I be cracking open the dusty books?

Info and advice appreciated..

[captplaystation]

Can't speak for 787 but 737 selection was very "personality based", they seemed to accept that if you had done the job for a "number"of years you were probably not a retard. (or conversely probably were :D )

I could imagine any Tech stuff will be ETOPS /Long Haul based, with no doubt some probing into how you forsee planning your life around taking Days Off in 2 different continents.

Very nice folk, relax and be yourself, they are looking very much at how you will fit in CRM wise.

Nice (cheap) lunch avail in the canteen too, avoiding gold-plated Oslo prices.

[fullforward]

What about terms and conditions: salary, insurance, perdiens etc?

[Iver]

Does not sound like a "dream" job unless you are dying to get a 787 type before you retire/die and you can afford the low compensation.... This is the text book employee outsourcing case and, if I were a Norweigian 737 pilot, I would be pi$$ed! :mad::ugh::yuk:


Here is the original Pprune thread:

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/481947-fancy-flying-dreamliner-here-you-go.html

One responder in that thread mentioned:

10K euro for skippers
7k euro for relief skippes
6k euros for F/Os.

Sort out your own accommodations. Figures above includes all per diems and flightpay.

Here is some additional information from the original thread:




Boeing B787 Dreamliner Pilot Jobs

Recruiter Rishworth Aviation

Posted 05 April 2012

Ref Boeing B787 Dreamliner

Location Bangkok, Thailand

Sector Flight Crew - Captain, Flight Crew - Co-pilot, Flight Crew - First Officer, Flight Crew - Pilot, Flight Crew - Captain/Instructor, Flight Crew - Senior First Officer

Contract Type Contract

Hours Full Time

Salary .


http://jobs.flightglobal.com/getasset/?uiAssetID=4ea16f71-4a9b-4029-a6e0-6ca8ee8880d8 Apply now (http://jobs.flightglobal.com/apply/1401338483/boeing-b787-dreamliner-pilot-jobs/?LinkSource=JobDetails)(this will open in a new window)


Further information

Norwegian Long Haul A/S will be starting Long Haul flights with the B787 Dreamliner in early 2013 and is now looking for experienced Boeing pilots.


Minimum requirements for all positions on the B787 Dreamliner

JAA license
EU passport holder
JAA medical Class one
Current on B737, B747, B757, B767 or B777
Preference will be given to pilots with long haul experience especially from Boeing B777
For more details and to fast track your application please APPLY NOW.
Pilots who don't yet meet these experience requirements are also invited to register and update their details at Rishworth Aviation Homepage - Rishworth Aviation (http://www.rishworthaviation.com/). When your experience matches our position requirements, we will be able to notify you of positions which you qualify for, which may be of interest to you

[TolTol]

There's always going to be some "retards" looking for this job. As long as these people are willing to accept crap terms & conditions then we have no hope.

[Sky Hooker]

yeah I couldn't agree more with the last post. Who ever accepts conditions like this on offer needs to get his head examined.
It's money and Roster that matters.....my 2cents:ok:

[fatbus]

Here Here!

[macdo]

I understand that Norwegian see themselves as a direct competitor to (and in the future bigger than) Ryanair, so perhaps if they are looking to go down that route, a look at the recruitment threads for RYR might be helpful.

[TolTol]

So ye also like the ladyboy's, fair enough.

[fatbus]

To add to this,
A good friend of mind is a 15 year 757/767 Capt currently out of work. Are you saying he should not take the job? Please enlighten me.

[WhatsaLizad?]

"A good friend of mind is a 15 year 757/767 Capt currently out of work. Are you saying he should not take the job? Please enlighten me. "


Yes.

Toltol nailed it.

[captplaystation]

Tell your friend to express interest/be screeened but don't rush to sign. I heard a fairly "reliable" rumour that NAX were a little dissapointed by the quality/quantity of aspiring "Dreamers", so the renumeration may :hmm: get better if everyone doesn't join the unseemly rush to sign up for a package that only pays €1200 a month more than us lowly 738 drivers (with a whole heap of negatives, inc time off in 2 continents)

If pilots stopped being blinded by the "shiny new carbon-fibre toy" syndrome, they could/will undoubtedly push the package towards where it should be.

Good luck, & just remember what Crocodile Dundee told you, "Just Checking" :ooh:

[keep high speed]

Hi,

Anyone has more info on what the assessment consists of for both Captains and FOs?
Any technical questions? Which subjects mostly? Questions about the aircraft you currently fly?
Any interview questions of the type: "Give me an example of when you .........."
Sim profile (Raw data?)
Any other tests to be done on the day?

Cheers

[fade to grey]

I find those comments offensive. Having been out of work almost a year I'd do it for 5k euro.need to pay bills.

As has been demonstrated before holding out for better doesn't work, the next guy will take it.

[FRying]

And here's why I recommend every single wannabe I discuss the matter with to stay away from this "profession". Many other options available than to turn into a beggar with no consideration or even bullying from top management.

[keep high speed]

No one has any info on how it goes on the assessment day?

Cheers,

[Iver]

Just curious on whether Norwegian completed their hiring on the 787. Did they have a river of desperate applicants as expected? :ugh: Did any current Norwegian 737 pilots make the jump to this contract position?

When will the first Norwegian 787 start service out of Oslo/Bangkok? Have the newhires started training on the 787 yet? What's the timeline?

[captplaystation]

I heard the same, but that could/probably will change when the fleet gets bigger. I heard you could plan on that block of days + several rest days between Easts & Wests. . but, my colleague said he didn't forsee that continuing too long.

[benjaavpilot]

good luck friend!
post some news for us to have a clue about Norwegian! :ok::ok:

[T668BFJ]

When you get called or offered a assesment the sim profile etc are provided in the information package.

Or at least it was for me, but then I am not going to do it either

[B737NG]

It lookes like they are still looking for Pilots. There was a advert about a road show at SIN recently. Hang in there and give us a heads up when you hear something usefull.

The pay is not that great, the guy´s who want to chip a chunk in the pocket head for China. Not the place for everyone, I did my share in Asia.

[MyIDisthis]

Any news after almost 2 years? Are there any improvements etc, are they still recruiting or has it slowed down?

And to continue a bit on previous post, approximately how many nights do you spend in bangkok per month? Judging only by the rosters that I have been shown, it looks like most of the off days are in either ARN or OSL with a lot of positioning and hotels between these cities. Does anyone have any more info regarding this?

Finally are the salaries still the same, are the per diems included or put on top now? How much vacation do you have per year?

Thanks guys

[Boeing operator]

MyIDisthis;

Recruitment just finished for the 8th aircraft of the 17 on confirmed order (all 17 to be delivered by end of 2018). Rumors of another 20 signed for already. 50 aircrafts is the med term target.

Salary the same, 5000 + 1000 per diem for FO, 7000 + 1000 for RCA (not recruited for the time being), and 9000 + 1000 for CPT. Pay taxes yourself where you live.

24 days vacation per year. Difficult to get all days rostered.

Most pilots haven't been in BKK for months, although being BKK based. Effectively you start and end duty in Scandinavia or LGW. LGW base to open this year.

Next recruitment probably in one years time. From 2016 it will be very busy again.

Good luck. :cool:

[MyIDisthis]

Thanks for the info Boeing Operator :ok:

What about the LGW base ( and maybe in the future BCN/MAD ), will these bases be for the pilots or just for the airplanes? In case of pilots being based there, I guess they will have enough volunteers of that..so that the english/spanish guys can fly from home and the scandinavian guys I guess will continue to fly the scandinavian routes however still based in BKK, or any thoughts about how it might be?

Any rumours from the inside about new routes by the way?


Thanks again!

[Boeing operator]

Probably the Scandinavians (and other Europeans) will ask for LGW since that is much more easy to commute to. Sooner or later the company will issue rosters that you actually live out of BKK if you have BKK base. Priority should be the date of joining with respect to your rank.

New destinations; I have only read what media write about. They wrote about San Juan (Puerto Rico) starting this winter. From next year on (and mor so with the aircrafts coming 2016 onwards) they write about most major cities in Asia, starting with HKG.

Keep an eye on Norwegian | Airline Route (http://airlineroute.net/category/norwegian/)

[lear999wa]

Wow,

I make more on the short-haul, with more off days and more annual leave.

Is there something I'm missing?

[pma 32dd]

Yes Lear you're missing the drive to the bottom for T & Cs and dubious taxation agreements to save against the competition

[Flying Clog]

A ha, I knew there was something.

[MyIDisthis]

Thanks for the info, so most people who are doing the long haul right now seem to think that at some point ending and starting your duties in scandinavia/lgw will be replaced by actually working out of BKK?

I know thats the base that you sign up for, but if a LGW base is coming up and its working fine ( at least rostering wise ) to start and finishing your duties in for ex scandinavia right now...then why would they change that? Wont that attract a fewer applications as they will eventually need more pilots..

[Aeromaniac]

Norwegian faces legal challenge over flight delays - Business Traveller (http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/100721/norwegian-faces-legal-challenge-over-flight-delays)

[lear999wa]

Apparently all the 787 pilots are to be based in LGW, starting from September.

[Washed Out]

Is the LGW base now up and running? If so could anyone provide info on the roster pattern please?

[FR_A]

Will the T&C be the same if your are officially based in LGW? Assume the gross income must go up to compensate for the higher tax...

[captplaystation]

Never assume. . . . . . . :=

[777X]

Heard of guys already leaving after just 12 months, even with the large bond due.

[jeehaa]

That's because some of the carriers that those individuals have left for, actually paid their bond for them, as it was cheaper to buy them out and let them fly on their own 787 instantly, then waiting until they had invited, selected, trained their own. I think that's a very smart move.

[captplaystation]

The Bond isn't an issue, if you are leaving to double, or triple, your salary.

I spoke around a year ago to one very experienced guy, who told me that many of them told NAS (in a nice way) not to plan on them being there long term with the current T's & C's.

As he told them, various European bases are being offered by Chinese carriers on Commuting Rosters, +, as the aircraft is growing in numbers, many more opportunities are coming up, which he & his colleagues were obliged to consider.

NAS's reply was reported to be "Yeah Yeah we know, stick with it, it will get better"
Last I heard they were struggling to get new guys trained (won't have been helped by Virgin Atlantic guys going back to fly their own) but, if it is as you say, and the exodus has already started, seems the message didn't get through quickly enough. The operation has had enough problems, without adding crew shortages to the mix.

The conditions are wholly underwhelming for a Wide Body contract job.

Don't think the CC from Stateside are in a very happy place either. What they foresaw as a few days (out & back, or maybe with a quick BKK thrown in ) has (I am led to believe ) metamorphosed into 21-23 day rotations on occasions (as I discovered when I asked why their Crew Suitcase was quite so big )

[Ronand]

Somebody said its 1300 eur more than the b737 contract. Can you pls explain that? A contract b737 capt makes more than 10.000 gross including flight pay. And a you have to keep in mind that all figures are before tax....

[captplaystation]

That is approx correct . . . . what don't you understand ? or you think that is enough to be Capt of a widebody ? as I posted "wholly underwhelming", hence why I have no doubt on the "voting with feet" claim made by 777X.

[Pucka]

Three mates of mine have just left..LHS 787.. And told them to stuff the bond..no one has payed their ransom!! They..as a LCC a have no legal clout to pursue....

[fullforward]

How old are you?
Looks like many years have passed and you've not doing your homework...
Do you really think that someone would share with you for free the "secret things" about an interview for a job (most of them potentially competing with you for the same job...)?:ugh:
Even my 10 yo daughter don't think anybody would do that.
So stop blaming PP and be serious mate.
Even in case of somebody, as a matter of being the nice guy, share the tricks, any assessment process can be changed in a blink. And it happens.

As for the homework a quick glance on something called google bring us this:

Norwegian Pilot Interview and Assessment-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs (http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/interviews/view/subject/Norwegian%20Pilot%20Interview%20and%20Assessment)

I have no idea if it worth the money invested or is just a waste of time.
But it's a starting point.
Now stop crying and move on.

[Brix]

@fullforward

I'm reading this site for a while now. I've hardly seen a more arrogant contribution. If the spirit of hospitality among pilots swings in your direction it's time to retire.

[fullforward]

Wake up, smell the coffee!
" spirit of hospitality" among pilots? Seriously?
A group that has been self prostituing for the latest decade, accepting lower and lower conditions, things like pay-to-fly and other outrageous "market adjustments" creatively established by the bean counters, the guys who ultimately put fat bonuses in their pockets?
Our profession have been destroyed by our egoism, selfishness or utter disdain.
Many guys are already making less than bus drivers or at McDonalds.:=
Away from family on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year, kid's/wife's birthdays and so on.

[BIGBAD]

Fullforward

I must agree with BRIX, I have never read a more inhospitable, pestiferous and obnoxious post.

The one thing I have learnt in my aviation career is that what goes around comes around. I hope you are never looking for any help from a fellow pilot !

[MikeHoncho]

I applied to the position of FO 787 with Norwegian.
Who knows how long it takes to get a reply after doing the online assessment?

Cheers!

[Direct Bondi]

BIGBAD

“Fellow pilot” - the misguided perception of a naïve chump with delusions of fraternal loyalty.

Would those fellow pilots be the same fellow pilots flocking to assist Norwegian and the smiling rock-ape in March 2015, while fellow pilots were striking over terms and conditions?

[Boeing operator]

As the advertisement says, when you have completed the online tests you will not hear anything unless you failed, or next being called in for screening. They have thousands of applications and does not have the overhead to write separate emails to all applicants.

By the way, in 2016 they focus on direct entry captains and direct entry relief captains, and not first officers. This is because they need many internal upgrades (relief captains to captains) in 2017 and 2018 for the 18 new Dreamliners coming those years. So if you have 1,500 hours PIC on medium jet, or 1,500 hours as FO on wide body, and total hours of at least 5,000, you will probably get a very fast upgrade to captain joining now. :D

There's a lot of upgrades on the B787 fleet. Pilots that have joined as relief captains have upgraded within a year. Pilots that have joined as first officers have already upgraded to captain (via relief captain). Note that they have only been in the company 2,5 years. :ok:

The screening is a day in Oslo or London. One group exercise, an relaxed interview and two times in the simulator (B737 NG), one as PM and one as PF. The sim program is a standard PC. Focus on CRM. :uhoh:

Good luck.

[tcas69]

and there is always the other side of the coin: in 2007 we were a group of 35 Pilots looking for jobs world wide, we set up a joint database where (almost) everyone poured in his information about available jobs. All of us got more or less what we wanted ( in my case 12 days on 18 days off part time contract flying A346) and we are still in contact with each other. Sharing the info beats sitting back in your hole in the ground and thinking of every "fellow pilot" as the one who will grab your chance to land that elusive job. (BTW its also an easy excuse for your undernourished ego)
Good luck to everyone, keep sharing ,