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Halfbaked_Boy
28th May 2012, 20:00
Hi there people, I'm a VFR CPL (i.e. Single engine, no additional ratings), I've around 500 hrs, spent some time doing aerial photography in Ireland, and I'm what you'd call a grass strip pilot I guess!

I'm undertaking the FI rating very soon, and I want to do this properly - I'm not getting the rating as another string to my bow, and I'm not doing it in the hope of getting a few single engine hours or to 'keep me flying'. I can live without flying if I need to, although I miss it if we're kept apart too long, so I'm not too cold hearted!

Ultimately I'd love to end up in the left hand seat of a Falcon or a Lear or something similar, but I'm absolutely in no rush, not in aviation for the money (convenient, eh?), simply want to better myself and be a productive asset to the industry, whether my influence stretches far or not.

Enough of that - the question remains... Do you enjoy instructing? What kind of instructing do you do? I'm interested to hear from civil and military backgrounds alike. I'm interested in instructing for the 'medium run', as a pre-career you might call it. As it stands I'll be able to instruct people towards the gaining of their PPLs of course, but as funds eventually allow I aim to expand on that and use it as a self improvement journey also. Best way to learn something is to teach it, I'm a big believer in that.

And the bottom line is, I've always enjoyed playing the 'instructor', whether that be in an aeroplane, supervising a learner driver, or on my Duke of Edinburgh walk over ten years ago!

I've got the advantage of having worked both a normal job for a few years, and having flown commercially from grass strips for long hours, so there's no illusions instilled, but I'm only gathering my knowledge from myself at the moment.

Any inputs?

p.s. I'm already broke, so don't need any warning on that issue :ok:

RTN11
28th May 2012, 20:19
Yes, it's a great experience, very rewarding and you meet some great people. I've been instructing for over 3 years, PPL, IMC ratings and night. The night and IMC is great fun, you do get a bit tired of straight and level after a while.

Students vary massively, some are the best people you will ever meet, some you would never want to see again when they step out of the aircraft. On the whole, it's well worth it for the life experience.

but...

It's a difficult lifestyle to keep. You never really know how much money you're going to make each month, so if a big bill comes your way it can wipe you out. If you can get a salary positions, you must be some kind of god.

It can be very frustrating when you sit at the club all week when the weather is pants, and on the day off when it's good weather and you're meant to be enjoying a day with the family you feel bitter because you could be flying and earning money.

In certain clubs there can be a lot of rivalry for who gets the most hours each month, and if you're on the wrong side of the ops girl you can find you don't get allocated much at all.

It would be very difficult to make a career as a PPL instructor these days, which was my original intention, you would have to move on to CPL or IR instruction to earn a wage. Everyone says money isn't important if you're living the dream, but you have to at least get by.

I would recommend instructing to anyone who really wants to pass on their knowledge. If you're just looking to build hours I think you would be wasting the students time and there are enough people doing that already.

Aware
28th May 2012, 20:57
If you have a great sense of humour, are flexible love flying GA aircraft, and have another occupation that actually pays a decent wage its fine.

The expense of flying greatly reduces when you have an FI. I have a 1000 hrs FI and it cost me 6K, that many hours if I paid for them would have cost £100,000 or so , so do the maths.

Buts its not for everybody, I enjoy it in the main because I have variety, and its a release from my financial services business, last week I did PPL IMC and tailwheel flying, but its true you meet some really great people, but you do fly with people that you wouldnt share a beer with and are quite honestly a P I T A , but you have to remain professional at all times and produce the best pilot you can.

And if you do it, be the best instructor you can, dont do it if you cant put all your energy into it. Its really about reading people and finding whats suits them best, which unfortunately the FI course lacks I feel.

Most of us are not teachers when we do the course and find its pretty tough teaching a new skill to people of hughly varying abilities.

mrmum
28th May 2012, 21:14
Yes, it's brilliant and I love doing it.:ok::ok: BUT, it's not for everyone by any means.
To put some context on my view, I've being doing it for teens of years and have getting on for seven thousand hours instructing. All at flying club level, teaching for the N/PPL, Night and IMCr, with a few seasons of MoD Flying Scholarships in the early years.
I've never done it full-time, typically I'll fly about 3 days a week and have always had a "proper", non-aviation job to pay the bills. As you seem to be aware and will now be told repeatedly, there's not much money in it. :sad:
That could be why I still enjoy it, as I've got the normal job as a comparison, so flying has never become the mundane, day-in, day-out slog.
PPL instructing is at least as much about the personalities of your individual students, as it is about the flying. It's challenging, immensely rewarding and sometimes sooo frustrating.
I've always shyed away from doing any more "advanced" instructing, such as for the CPL, especially not for an integrated provider, that just doesn't appeal to me. It's too standardised and structured for me I think, you won't get to develop the relationships with students you get at a flying school. Although I occasionally think that doing the FIC might be interesting.
You as an individual FI, have a huge effect on what kind of PPLs we end up with, your attitude rubs off on them. It's too easy to teach down to the minimum syllabus requirements, how often do we come across PPLs who've never sideslipped, or operated from grass. Their only experience of simulated emergencies are the obligatory EFATO and PFL, even for those, they new they were going to be happening that flight. I would so love the ability to be able to "fail" all kinds of systems and controls, to be designed into training aircraft.
Being an FI is as good a job as you choose to make it, introduce variety and challenges into your lessons, don't be constrained by the standard hour in the LFA and X/C to the nearest two airfields. Most students will be up for doing some more interesting stuff, take them away for a whole or half day, show them what they can do once qualified. Even trial lessons can be fun, you will get some that are just a PITA, but on the whole, they're excited and enthused to be there. I've got little time for instructors that moan about TLs, they're your shop window in effect and we should be sending our customers away happy, so they'll tell everyone they know how good it was.
If you do decide to go ahead, I suspect you'll pick-up a job pretty quickly, your CV would standout from the 200 hour heroes (no offence), who having thrown £80k at OAA or somewhere, then decide that actually, they've always wanted to be an FI :rolleyes:. or at least it would if it dropped into my inbox/letterbox.

sevenstrokeroll
28th May 2012, 21:50
LIndbergh said that you never really know how to fly untill you have taught someone else how to fly (paraphrase).

he is right

your students will put you into situations you couldn't imagine...so be ready for anything every second in the flying environment. be ready for students who do just fine and then turn into idiots.

I know one guy who checked a ppl out in a brand new cherokee archer...he rented it and flew from thed San Francisco area toward phoenix...he left late and decided to do an off airport precautionary landing because it was getting dark (oh, he had a beautiful girl with m hime)...so he landed on the desert and took off the next day.

of course, he could have flown west and held on to the light till he found an airport...or just flew at night (you are allowed to)

be ready for anything.

oh...DON"T give lessons on credit...give the lesson, GET THE MONEY as soon as you have finished the lesson.

Heston
29th May 2012, 07:40
Yes I enjoy it a lot. But as the others have said it is not for everybody and has its particualr irritations too.

Very hard to make a living at it (I'm semi-retired so have other sources of income that allow me to do it)

H

S-Works
29th May 2012, 07:45
I love teaching and examining. I would not do it as a full time job as the wages and hours are terrible. In my job I get to fly commercially and teach so have a great balance.

foxmoth
29th May 2012, 07:46
I love it as well, but like others who have replied so far, only instruct as a sideline as I fly bigger stuff full time. Also do not do much basic instructing, mostly Aeros, formation and tailwheel.

Halfbaked_Boy
2nd Jun 2012, 15:52
RTN11, indeed the question I asked myself most often before making this decision was, am I doing this for myself, or am I doing it for my potential future students? The answer I came up with is both, which I think is the best mindset to be in. I can well envisage the differences involved with flying an aeroplane, and teaching somebody else how to fly an aeroplane from scratch, and it feels like something I've wanted for a long time, which is a job that rewards you in direct proportion to the effort you put in and the approach you take.

Aware, that's another good point regarding the costs, but I've had a flying job that resulted in me doing those very calculations, so I feel fortunate enough to be able to venture into this with no preoccupations about what I'm getting for free, so to speak. For me this is about a new experience, and something that I hope will be very satisfying (as well as frustrating!).

mrmum, I've never taught somebody how to fly (except the courtesy "Look, if you move the stick back the houses get smaller, if you move it forward, the houses get bigger!" when taking friends flying!), but even so, I would like to envisage myself teaching beyond the PPL when I myself have the necessary skills and ratings to do so.

You have raised a point, however, that is possibly my biggest worry regarding this journey... I will be responsible for the attitude of future PPLs, and I know that these people will be watching me when I fly as a form of role model. How did you handle this pressure when you were new to the job? I don't think this is something that 30 hours of flying can teach you!

sevenstrokeroll, I bet he weren't much older than myself!!

Cheers guys :)

MartinCh
4th Jun 2012, 06:50
at least when you teach zero time pilots with proper 'pilot to be' personality, you can imprint some airmanship, safety stuff, common sense etc. And teach them stuff they don't know.

Genghis the Engineer
4th Jun 2012, 09:05
at least when you teach zero time pilots with proper 'pilot to be' personality, you can imprint some airmanship, safety stuff, common sense etc. And teach them stuff they don't know.

As a CRI teaching existing pilots who may have lapsed licences, not flown with an instructor properly for some time, or being brought up to speed into a syndicate on a type they've not flown before, I hope I'm doing that on a regular basis too.

And answering the OP's question - yes I massively enjoy teaching: the enjoyment of sharing my own passion for flying, and helping other people be better pilots is great - but so is the regular opportunity to spend time as PiC in a variety of often interesting aeroplanes (and get paid for it!), and meeting people with interesting backgrounds and their own passions for flying. Add to that that pretty much every sortie I teach, I learn something that makes me a better pilot - and I get a big kick out of being as good as possible at something I enjoy.

G

fa2fi
4th Jun 2012, 21:19
I do mostly. Gets a bit tedious when the weather is beyond poor and you have pushy parents pressuring you into fly because they want their little Johnny to become a pilot at 17 to have a token pilot in the family and to live out said parents failed dream of becoming an airline pilot. That and there's other pressures on you too but it's a great job really.

sevenstrokeroll
5th Jun 2012, 00:31
lindbergh was 25 when he made his famous NY to Paris flight. had about 2500 hours or so

in the USA you can't be an instructor without an instrument rating and commercial certification...isn't that the case in the euro zone?

mrmum
5th Jun 2012, 00:51
No, in the UK (& most of Europe?) instructors will generally have a CPL or ATPL, as we need a professional licence to allow us to be paid. Although under the JAA rules you could get an FI rating with a PPL, but not be paid, this option required the applicant to have more PIC time and to have CPL TK. So it wasn't a particularly popular option, I personally only know of one person who did it that way. As we change over to the new EASA regulations, they will allow the PPL holder with FI rating to be remunerated and to instruct for the new LAPL, they won't need CPL TK, so we may see a this being a bit more popular.

There's no requirement at all, to have any instrument qualification to teach the PPL.

mrmum
5th Jun 2012, 01:13
Hi Halfbaked,
You have raised a point, however, that is possibly my biggest worry regarding this journey... I will be responsible for the attitude of future PPLs, and I know that these people will be watching me when I fly as a form of role model. How did you handle this pressure when you were new to the job? I don't think this is something that 30 hours of flying can teach you!
Yes you will, you need to be considerate of always being watched, but you shouldn't worry about it too much. Just be aware that students will pick up on what you do, even when you think you're not specifically teaching something, so try to always operate the aircraft in the manner you wish them to. You can't play the "do as I say, not as I do" card very often.
Unfortunately, I can't really remember too much from my early days of instructing, it's been a while ;) so I'm not sure what, if anything I did specifically different because I was new to it.

Having looked back through all the replies to your original question, I think all the respondents except RTN 11, seem to instruct on a PT basis. So perhaps that's the key to a long and enjoyable career as an FI?

172_driver
5th Jun 2012, 12:46
My first job in aviation was flight instructing. Reflecting back on it now you come to some insights that weren't apparent at that time. Overall I think a job is a job after all, when it becomes routine and too much of the same thing happens it has the potential to become boring. I was fortunate to do a little bit of everything, PPL, IR, ME + ground instructing, administrative etc. The variety kept me going for 3,5 years. At the end I realized my own limitation, and as I was getting tired of it (which easily happened after 4 flights of steep turns in 35 deg heat) I decided to move on. The students also deserved better. They needed a mentor, someone to nurse them through a demanding challenge, rather than someone who came to work, did the job, took the money and got the hell out. At the end, I did not feel I was that person.

Don't get me wrong though, I totally enjoyed instructing for several reasons; To share knowledge and experience, To grow as a person myself and develop my own abilities, Not to mention the times you took a C172 or BE76 to Santa Monica, Las Vegas or Catalina Island for dinner and come back. You could have so much fun with the students while also conducting serious flight training.

Let's face it… the vast majority that starts in aviation aim to one day fly a big shiny jet. Not necessarily everyone, but most... I have a friend that spent €70 000 - 80 000 on training, working as an FI and says he's happy and have no motivation to get into the airlines he says. But for most FI is a transition job, a way to gain experience, it doesn't pay enough to be a career choice either.

Today I wouldn't mind coming back doing instruction, if not in a C172 I know the airline does train simulator instructors to do initial type ratings. As someone said before, you never really know how to fly untill you have taught someone else how to fly.

de facto
5th Jun 2012, 13:46
As someone said before, you never really know how to fly untill you have taught someone else how to fly.

Ever had a student flying better than you?:E

TheOddOne
5th Jun 2012, 14:28
Ever had a student flying better than you?

Oh, yes, several times! I've never reckoned myself to be a natural pilot, had to work at it to get my PPL, so can empathise with those who take a little time to 'get it'.

The young 17 and 18 yr old studes I get occasionally who just have that natural talent are a joy to watch, I just get a buzz from thinking I've helped them on their way. Some of them I hear are now instructors themselves...

It has occurred to me latterly that we don't actually TEACH people to fly, we just provide the right environment for them to learn for themselves.

The Odd One

172_driver
5th Jun 2012, 18:26
Ever had a student flying better than you?

Actually yes, and I take cred for that :E


… and then their are the odd ones who THINK they fly better than you :ugh:

It has occurred to me latterly that we don't actually TEACH people to fly, we just provide the right environment for them to learn for themselves.

That, sir, I agree is VERY true...

mrmum
5th Jun 2012, 19:31
Quote:
It has occurred to me latterly that we don't actually TEACH people to fly, we just provide the right environment for them to learn for themselves.
That, sir, I agree is VERY true...
Indeed, it has been said that we are just there to stop them breaking the aeroplane while they teach themselves.

downwind24
5th Jun 2012, 19:42
I'm just over half way through the FI course and loving every minute.

After having two very good Instructors during my PPL training it was always a desire to instruct and impart a little bit of my knowledge to someone else and of course learn a great deal myself at the same time.

FlyingGasMain
9th Jun 2012, 09:21
Enjoyable ? Absolutely.

Would I do it full time ? No, I dont think so, for many of the reasons already stated. You can, but you need to live in a caravan or back at your parents place, and that's just to survive. There is a ghostly derelict caravan in a hidden corner of Redhill which still has a bottle of wine on the table - I understand it used to be used by some penniless instructor !

I enjoy it for the variety of people we teach, everything from 16 and 17 year olds to 70+ grandparents. You do get a real buzz out of seeing someone progress and starting to make their own decisions. I've seen a few young students go from being quite introverted and shy, to becoming quite mature, self-confident people.

One thing I have learnt is that quite often its the ones who already have their licenses and come to you for checkouts that you have to really watch !

Genghis the Engineer
9th Jun 2012, 09:31
It has occurred to me latterly that we don't actually TEACH people to fly, we just provide the right environment for them to learn for themselves.

That was a revelation for me when I was a newish University lecturer.

The realisation that I was there to enable students to learn, not to teach them anything.


The time I did this best, I think, was teaching a course in aircraft design. I grit my teeth, told the students that they were now a design office, and I was chief designer. Over a year, they designed an aeroplane, with me chairing meetings, pointing them at documents, correcting errors, and so-on.

It was actually a lot more fun for everybody than me standing up talking at them for 3 hours a week, and by gum they learned! Mind you, they also hated it as they had to work a lot harder than just taking notes and memorising them a few days before the exam.

G

Heston
9th Jun 2012, 10:08
Totally agree that what's important is providing the environment for students learn for themselves. And its important to remember that part of that is checking that they are learning, and taking action if they are not or are getting things wrong. "Providing the environment" is a very active process, not a passive one - as Genghis illustrates so well with his design students story.

H

Ascend Charlie
10th Jun 2012, 09:06
First got an instructor rating in 1976 with about 1800hrs.

Taught on jets (in the air force) for a couple of years, scrubbed quite a few who are now airline captains - it didn't hurt them at all - and went back to operational helicopter flying.
A few years later did a helicopter instructor rating, taught the current Chief of Air Force to fly. Spent 6 more years on operations, renewed the instructor rating, but just did recurrence checks.

A few years later, did some more ab initio training as a civilian, and it was part good, part bad. The good bit was seeing the student listen to what I said and do well, the bad bit was dealing with rock apes who had a lot of money and expected me to open up their head and pour knowledge into it with no effort on their behalf.

Spent another period just doing refresher training, and now with 42 years since my first solo, I am back teaching ab initios. Luckily, it is a salary position and the students have been through some sort of selection process.

So, overall, I am lucky to have been able to alternate between real flying and instructing, and I have never been in the situation of being paid by the flight hour.

Halfbaked_Boy
10th Jun 2012, 09:35
Thanks for the replies everyone, all your responses have been very useful to read. I like the heads up for some of the 'gotchas' that I, and no doubt other people reading this will experience at some point!

:ok:

much2much
11th Jun 2012, 16:44
i enjoyed instructing ,been of the old 700hr school ,and continued through my ga and airline carrer, been old and alas poor with no class one ,i am considering, obtaing a rating on my ppl,especially with the onset of easa, i did ask a school about the cpl knowledge,and requirements to no avail still, i am shore there is a school out there where i can renew or f/i rate from scratch if required,so reading these posts has clarified that cpl knowledge is not required,if your that kind of person, i think the rewards are great,never really got on with the hour builder and remained a g/a nut for life.

much2much
11th Jun 2012, 16:47
PS does anyone know a good place to do the necessary training, anywhere in the uk except the south east, as for the paid by the hour guess it was not so good,nor looking at the same washing line every Tues ,in the circuit,but then there was the girls school hockey team on weds,well get my drift it can be a tads repetitive,but all in all :ok:

madlandrover
11th Jun 2012, 19:43
If you have had an airline career then you must have had CPL knowledge in the past - this does not expire for purposes of the FI rating, unlike IR/ATPL exams. The requirement for you would be to attend an approved FI seminar and pass the FI skills test, with training as required beforehand. Depends where you are in the UK, but a few of us have links to FIEs and can assist :ok:

much2much
11th Jun 2012, 21:00
TAR ,very much, thats about what i thought,infact whether cpl knowledge expired (theoretically not in real terms) was the very question i asked of a school, fobbed off by phone no reply to mail; caa not to much help,just asked me to speak to a "school"
i am in the south west but feel the time needed my require staying away hence ,anywhere might be a option,
thanks again i may actually get-it done
sure not sea shore

mad_jock
11th Jun 2012, 21:18
Do a search for ONTRACK and give them a ring. They will know the answers or know the person that can give you a definate plan for what you want to do.

They arn't the cheapest school but good value for money.

MikeTangoEcho
11th Jun 2012, 21:51
God what do instructors in GB earn? Honestly, the juniorest of juniors..

madlandrover
11th Jun 2012, 22:02
infact whether cpl knowledge expired (theoretically not in real terms) was the very question i asked of a school

LASORS H1.7 has the answer (as will CAP804 when it becomes the official replacement). That's part of what I would normally cover with a lapsed FI before they test with a FIE, ie not only going over a bit of practical & theoretical instruction but also covering any applicable changes as well as exploring the general scope of what they would be eligible to teach. ATSOCAS has been a good one so far!!

fade to grey
26th Jun 2012, 19:24
I was probably what you would call an hour builder - part sponsored with the evil empire from elstree.
Can't say I enjoyed it initially, it was very much teach the standard syllabus by rote.No room for much personality.

When I moved away elsewhere i enjoyed it more as I could put more of me into the lessons.trial lessons did form a sizeable chunk of the output though, and I reckon 75 % of those were just joyrides really.

I think i would enjoy it more now as, having done the airline thing, i'm not uptight about progressing.

last time I did it was 2002, pay was £14/hr, no retainer.

Big_Buddha36
2nd Jul 2012, 11:19
Hi,

Been instructing for 5yrs now

1st thing I'd advise is don't go into an FI role pronouncing its a stepping stone - they'll just walk away. Moreover, once you get into instruction, you'll see there's far more in it than just ppl.

Get the right place, and opportunities arise naturally. The people you meet, the company expanding or looking to move you onto other things etc.

I've met several charter owners and they all say how they view F.I's as the right type of guy for their jobs - someone used to making in-the-air decisions and being in command of situations that DO get a bit hairy at times - students will try to kill you on a regular basis ;) but you soon develop a 6th sense to all that.

Getting unrestricted can also be a major bind in getting both initial work right now, but also to get the elbow room you really need to fully get into the job.

It has a great deal of down-sides.- pay, students and trial lessons soon lose their appeal, but expect all that and you'll see the +ves much quicker.

I spent a long time getting unrestricted as I pretty much had to get a whole batch of new starters through to solo, then after that, had to gauge the market before committing to getting the applied etc lifted.

That said, I've recently moved and within a month or so, was offered the chance to move into the charter part of the company as well.

Instructors go home every night (which can be a big positive) and if you're the right sort of person, you do get a kick (all be it a nervous one at the time) when your student goes solo or passes. You get great relationships with many of them. Importantly, be yourself during the job. To start with, you'll feel a bit robotic in your teachings, but with confidence, you'll be able to make the job your own and of course, in the air, you really are controlling your working day.

As I said, try not to think of instruction as a stepping stone - you'll miss the point of it and certainly miss the hidden benefits which may make it frustrating

All of that aside, doing the FI course will only add to your own flying capabilities and confidence

Bb

Halfbaked_Boy
4th Jul 2012, 19:47
Big_Buddha36, thank you, what a fantastic reply.

All I shall say is, you've confirmed my feelings and I shall be entering into this eyes wide open and looking forward to the new challenges that await!

:)

A and C
5th Jul 2012, 11:11
I started instruct for the usual reason, I wanted to get the hours together for the ATPL, my eye were firmly fixed on a jet airliner and all that goes with it.

Fast forward twenty two years and on days off from the jet I still do a little instructing, the job is far more rewarding than flying the jet and now I can pick and choose when I instruct I have no pressure to rush lessons giving me time to expand on topics if the student requires this.

bagurxvi
6th Nov 2012, 20:59
Anybody who was a FI talked about that experience with pleasure. I don't understand why it is not considered a nice job.

Heston
7th Nov 2012, 12:34
job = best in the world
pay = terrible
:ooh:

fa2fi
7th Nov 2012, 13:18
What's the going rate for FIs where you guys are?

JUST-local
7th Nov 2012, 22:57
The best and the worst job in the world!

It's great watching "your" student taxi out for a solo detail, far more rewarding than I could have ever imagined :O

The pay should be better, but no one wants to pay more so this will never change.

I was going to start another thread on the new EASA non CPL/ATPL theory instructor vs the CPL/ATPL theory instructor but it seems to fit in here, so my question/s

How will the FI rating with no CPL/ATPL theory be recognised will this be stated on the licence or rating page?

Current FI's who have never done CPL/ATPL theory, should these instructors still be instructing for the EASA PPL and ratings, do they get grandfather rights (ex BCPL holders now PPL's)?

Thanks

FANS
8th Nov 2012, 12:42
Instructors doing it to build hours are a nightmare. Whereas once, they may have had to do only season and then disappear, many have been stuck for years and you can see very little enjoyment as they banish for another hour in the circuit!

People need to think carefully about instructing in today's PTF market.

SVCFI
11th Nov 2012, 04:07
I wouldn't know because I have been one for over 2 years and have hardly done any instructing. This economy is killing aviation. I am also a full-time schoolteacher. I wish being a CFI was stable work because we teach people to do the greatest thing on earth, fly. Whereas, my sixth graders would rather fail and raise hell than learn. AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGH!

Gate2
17th Nov 2012, 14:08
Best move I ever made 22 years ago. Been a full time professional ever since and no desire to do anything else. It has given me an excellent opportunity to analyse the aeroplanes I teach in, making my teaching all the more value to my students.

chrisbl
17th Nov 2012, 20:54
I love every minute of it. I do weekends only and will get through 200 hrs worth this year.

I have a great crop of students and we have a lot of fun together as they learn.

Bob Stinger
22nd Nov 2012, 15:31
Amazing job, i really love it. I am full time over 800 hours this year. I may be in the minority as i still really enjoy trial lessons. Seeing how happy somebody gets when you have them flying the aeroplane , even if its just a one off is a pretty good feeling. Last weekend one of the trial lessons was a lad with downs synodrome and it was just awesome , he was a great lad and getting the chance to fly made both him his parents and me incredibly happy. As for the payside, you are never going to get rich but you can earn a living.
As RTN11 put it, the most frustrating part is great weather on your day off. the way round this is to never have a day off!

sevenstrokeroll
22nd Nov 2012, 16:38
interesting about teaching in the LA area...wonder where...its one place I wouldn't want to learn how to fly...

I instructed in 1980 era...pay was rotten, state of california wanted us all incorporated as a flying school (and we didn't), however I do agree with lindbergh, you never learn more about flying then when you teach someone else how to fly.

the economy does stink...but it has stunk before (also under a Democrat)...and flying is something wonderful...but people have changed...now, when they fly on a commercial airliner, they are more interested in their IPAD than in looking out the freaking window.

hmmmm

so, instruct, be careful (it is dangerous you know...just above crop dusting) and then take a job with apple computer (I was offered a job in 1982 with them, and I didn't take it...stupid me!!!!)

stealth114
3rd Dec 2012, 01:00
Quite enjoyable and very thankful I choosed to do the CFI route after getting my CPL and multi. I love it ! :)Of course, the pay is peanuts and I have to empathise with many of the experiences.. I have been a CFI since beginning of this year..Just 3 mths after getting my CFI ticket. I know many pilots who are sitting on the ground and doing a non aviation job.

On the neat future, I look towards getting a non-aviation related job to supplement my income. I have flown with students who have great ability and some who I have had to flat out say that flying wasnt for them.:=

On my off days, I spend time flying in a fixed based 737 simulator and then I hop into the Cessna with my students on my work days.

When I was doing my PPL, I never imagined I ever be able to teach. It has to be something you WANT to do . You must be passionate of transposing that wisdom onto your students and creating agreat impression of enjoyable flying and also safety. The pay is horrible but like many professions, it will and should lead to greater and better things. So bask in the present !