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stalled_n_in2a_spin
21st May 2012, 16:14
all the very best for the exam :ok: ... but do be sure to come back and let us know about the exam... eagerly waiting for you guys to post:confused: ... and i have my nav- composite on the 25th ... its my third attempt got 68 and 69 in the previous exams :ugh: .. ive gone through ic joshi for met, all the oxford-jeppesens, surinder singh, Keith william and gsp's for nav...

please do try to help

issues
22nd May 2012, 10:45
Any fellow pprune-er who would like to shed a light on today's NAV attempt?

ayush
22nd May 2012, 14:22
Q: atc instructs pilot to reset mode c transponder when There is an error of dash feet and when the altimeter setting is dash ?
Options
A: 300 feet ; QNH
B: 100 feet; QNH
C: 300 feet 1013

bayblade
22nd May 2012, 15:48
@ayush,
the option C should read 200ft 1013. :8
else none are correct.

koolchaos3188
22nd May 2012, 20:33
hey guys is I.C. Joshi enough or I should refer to some notes too?

ayush
23rd May 2012, 11:33
Thts what I Thot too.. Many have marked 300/1013
The regs paper was easy.. Very straight forward

stalled_n_in2a_spin
23rd May 2012, 14:31
it seems that the exam was very tough for nav/comp... is it true anyone here appeared on 22 or 23 willing to comment???

bangalore
23rd May 2012, 15:14
how was nav comp paper..... can anyone help on wat all were asked....

coosmen
23rd May 2012, 15:22
i appeared the online session on 22nd. sad to say i found it very hard compared to the last few times. here are some of the questions that i remembered that i had to answer for my NAV COMP.


what is the maximum permissible runway slope?
a +/-4 percent
b +/-2 percent
c +/-1 percent

mushing error is assioated with which instrument?


what will happen to temprature when a warm front approaches?
a same
b increase
c remain same

Perspective of Geometric projection which is also orthomorphic is?
a steriographic
b steriochrome
c gonomic


What is ICAO definition of ETA
a estimated time of arrival of a waypoint/fix
b estimated time of arrival of destination

time of sunrise/sunset, moonrise/moonset given in air almanac is in?
a lmt
b utc
c st



find the antipode of a given position(co-ordinates)



What could happen when using VOR beyond DOC?
a Lose of range or coverage
b could show wrong indications from another vor with same frequency


Gps works in which band
a shf
b uhf
c vhf


which of these is an indication of the mature stage of tunderstorm?
a rain
b appearence of anvil
c rapid cloud formation


To get Pressure hight of an areodrome
a select QNH
b select QFE
c select 1013


Icing is Mostly seen in tempratures between 0-minus20. the probability of icing to occur below this temp is
a same
b increase
c decrease




Climbing in a invertion layer with constant CAS. What will happen to the rest

bangalore
24th May 2012, 05:13
even i heard paper was really tough..... anyone who can recalll any questions can post it.... that would be really helpful

bangalore
24th May 2012, 05:13
@coosmen (http://www.pprune.org/members/389398-coosmen) thanks a lot,.... do let us know if u remember any other questions

coolboy007
24th May 2012, 06:30
Appeared for Nav comp on 23rd - as said the paper this time was really very very tough compared to last time, got a score of 65/100 :ugh:, need to prepare for the next attempt now. Some questions i remember :

1. ETD in a flight plan means :

a) Take off
b) Start up
c) Airborne

2. ICAO color for heading indicator

a) Magenta
b) Amber

3. Atleast 3-4 questions on radial interceptions and 2 Q's on CP PNR.

4. Hail is -

a) precipitation falling in winters from mountainous regions
b) SCWD

5. 2 Questions on fuel calculations - diverting to alternate necessary or not?

6. Basic wt - xx, Load - xx, FOB - xx, altn fuel -xx, contingency fuel - xx, calculate fuel after landing at alternate.

7. What happens when a VOR gets saturated -

a) Increases its freq to accomodate more a/c
b) The weakest one gets eliminated (answer was phrased in a diff way)

8. Wind speed reqd in large mountain for mountain waves :

a) 7 m/s
b) 15 m/s

9. If Pitot is blocked, ASI shows during climb -

a) Increase
b) Decrease
c) constant.

Thats what i can remember for now.

manoj john
24th May 2012, 08:44
hey guys for the cplcg did any1 get a question with 2 exactly same options , i cant recolect the question though..

stalled_n_in2a_spin
24th May 2012, 10:40
for the guys who gave cplcg... what about met?? how many q's ??? are they from ic joshi??? pls comment i have it tom

ramkiarchu
24th May 2012, 13:36
thanks a lot everyone for posting the questions, but this time the general paper of navigation was very easy! i guess dgca is setting tough papaer turn by turn for general and composite, because last time the general paper was very tough!

bangalore
24th May 2012, 14:32
coolboy007 (http://www.pprune.org/members/334974-coolboy007) thanks

bangalore
24th May 2012, 14:44
What happens when a VOR gets saturated

issues
24th May 2012, 15:49
Answer to that is

B: The weakest one gets eliminated. (Not 100% certain on this)

Anyone knows the answer to:

Perspective of geometric projection which is also orthomorphic is ?

I am guessing stereographic.

keith williams
24th May 2012, 20:26
What happens when a VOR gets saturated


VOR beacons simply transmit their signals. They do not actually interact with the aircraft that are receiving these signals, so VOR cannot become saturated.

The question probably relates to DME.

DME stations must respond to interrogation signals from aircraft. Each station has the capacity to respomd to interrogations from up to 100 aircraft simultaneously. If more than 100 aircraft attempt to interrogate a DME at the same time, the DME will becomes saturated. It will then reduce its gain setting, so that it receives and responds to only the 100 strongest interrogation signals.

Polar Stereographic charts are orthomorphic.

stalled_n_in2a_spin
25th May 2012, 15:07
i cleared!!!! thank you all for the info helped me alot... and mr williams i couldnt have gained the basic knowledge without your books... cheers

bangalore
25th May 2012, 15:22
didnt clear got 68:ugh:

bangalore
26th May 2012, 05:29
keith williams (http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)... where can i get the 1000 question books of ur in bangalore all 3 books

stalled_n_in2a_spin
26th May 2012, 07:32
i think you can order it off from here... Sterling Book House - Books List (http://www.sterlingbookhouse.com/products.asp?cat=84)


all the best..

bangalore
26th May 2012, 11:41
stalled_n_in2a_spin (http://www.pprune.org/members/382929-stalled_n_in2a_spin)........... congrats... and thanks for the questions... alll the best... did u attend any classes..... which books did u refer do u have any notes..... do help if possibe ....

z242l
26th May 2012, 12:27
@bangalore, you got 68 in which subject

bangalore
26th May 2012, 12:29
i got 68 in nav comp

stalled_n_in2a_spin
26th May 2012, 16:05
keith willams - general nav, instruments

oxford jeppesen - general nav, instruments, met, mass and balance, radio-aids, performance and power plant systems.

gsp's - flight planning and monitoring, radio, intruments.

ic joshi - met.

surinder singh - notes

ive given around 4 times nav-comp. slacked off the previous times during the exam time thinking "i already got a cpl dun need to study much ill pass" but that didnt work so well always got 60's..

i recommend you to study atlest 1-1 1/2 month before your exam spend 7-8 hrs each day studying the basics and getting through thoroughly..

the knowledge is the goal... dun listen to what is important and what is not... as u've seen this attempt they ask each and every kind question.. from multi-leg cp problems to theory of air density...


all the best..

keith williams
26th May 2012, 18:51
books

(http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)keith williams (http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)... where can i get the 1000 question books of ur in bangalore all 3 books
(http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)

The two main retailers are Sterling Book House in Mumbai and the English Book Store in Delhi.

There are currently six books available.

EBS sells locally produced versions.

Sterling Book House sells UK produced versions. These are more expensive, but they include an interactive CD ROM covering all 14 JAR ATPL subjects

There are probably other retailers who obtain the books from EBS or Sterling Book House, but I do not know who they are.

A new book covering Radio Navigation is about to go to print, so it should be available in India in a month or so.

AviatorVette
26th May 2012, 19:04
Cleared ATPL radio aids / instrument paper today.. got 74/90. I studied from Oxford Instrumentation book and Radio aids book, did all the chapter questions and the questions from behind. Managed to clear the exam. I am going to give Nav next, what is the best way to clear the exam. Lot of people recommended that I use keith williams for instruments but I didnt have time.

I will study from Oxford again, do you guys reckon I should invest in keith williams Navigation book. I Guess keith williams would be good since he explains every answer? Is there a way I can get the PDF of keith williams nav, maybe buy it online?

The nav keith williams costs 2500 rs and the other one costs 1100 ( nav )

are both the books the same? One comes with a cd the other doesnt. What is in the cd? Is it a cbt questionnaire type of thing? The locally produced book is the same?

issues
26th May 2012, 21:28
@keith williams

The one available for 1100 is by Himalayan Book Publications and its a fat, heavy book.

I decided against the 'original' book by you because the interactive CD was for windows based systems only. Any plans for coming out with a CD that supports MAC OS X.

Thanks.

AviatorVette
26th May 2012, 23:21
so is the himalyan publications book the same as the other book?

keith williams
27th May 2012, 10:13
The one available for 1100 is by Himalayan Book Publications and its a fat, heavy book.



The books include key facts for the subject area plus a detailed explanation for each question, so they are quite bulky. As an example the General Navigation book contains 710 pages.


I decided against the 'original' book by you because the interactive CD was for windows based systems only. Any plans for coming out with a CD that supports MAC OS X.


The CD is designed to run on Microsoft windows with Microsoft office. But many Apple Mac users run it using a Windows partition with Office.



The nav keith williams costs 2500 rs and the other one costs 1100 ( nav ) are both the books the same? One comes with a cd the other doesnt.


The computer files that I provide to EBS/Himlayan Books are the same as those that I send to the UK printers, so in this snese the books are the same.

The EBS/Himalayan versions are intended to reduce the retail price to a minimum. This means that the material quality (paper and printing) are of a lower standard than the Uk produced versions.

The Sterling Book House versions include a fully interactive CD. The current vesrion of this CD includes approximately 11000 questions plus approximately 5000 explanations.

The CD is designed to run on MS Windows with MS Office, but will also run on Apple Mac computers with a MS Windows partition and MS Office.

bangalore
27th May 2012, 12:26
keith williams (http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)... how many off ur books r there in india...... and onces to refer to for DGCA exam... can u name them... i have only general nav 1000 questions

bangalore
27th May 2012, 12:28
stalled_n_in2a_spin (http://www.pprune.org/members/382929-stalled_n_in2a_spin)... how did u find this times paper. compared to other sessions

stalled_n_in2a_spin
27th May 2012, 16:37
it was ok.. in the sense it had many easy q's and some very tuff numericals... but all i can say is be strong with the basics of the subjects and try to solve different kinds of problems from different materials.. from what i have seen in oct 2011 and jan 2012 they used to just copy paste keith williams and ic joshi but nowadays the have been using alot from gsp's and the above books... so just try to solve and read from every material you can get your hands on... i did 4 revisions before my exams covering around 18 books... that was alot... but i din want to leave any stone unturned

bangalore
27th May 2012, 17:45
stalled_n_in2a_spin (http://www.pprune.org/members/382929-stalled_n_in2a_spin).. thanks for all the input

keith williams
27th May 2012, 18:19
(http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)keith williams (http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)... how many off ur books r there in india...... and onces to refer to for DGCA exam... can u name them... i have only general nav 1000 questions
(http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)

There are currently six books in the 1000 QA&E range, covering the following subjects.

Principles Of Flight.
Aircraft Performance.
Mass & Balance.
Aircraft General Knowledge.
Instruments.
General Navigation.

A seventh book covering Radio Navigation will be available within a month or so.

For candidates who have problems with the numerical questions, there is also an interactive CD entitled "Mastering Mathematics For DGCA Examinations" available from Sterling Book House. This provides an unlimited number of questions, together with explanations and step-by-step solutions. This enables users to keep on practicing each type of calculation until they become really proficient.

bangalore
27th May 2012, 18:24
keith williams (http://www.pprune.org/members/347203-keith-williams)... thanks...... are 3 books gen nav, instruments and mass and bal enough? for DGCA exam

3greens 1inthemirror
28th May 2012, 09:42
If you do the GSP thoroughly + the questions from KW/Oxford, that'd be enough! - IMO