EK Hold Pool (FO's)

[archer_737]

Don

Are you assuming that no pilot will leave in the next 13 years?

Cheers!!

[Jetaim]

Why should pilot leave the best airline in the world?? Archer.. you and your perspective colleagues are missing the point here. If we let aviation fall in the hands of middle eastern carrier that keep stealing away passengers from major Western carrier just by taking advantage of the sociopolitics of their middle age style sociopolitical situation ( no unions, no worker rights, no human rights) there will be no aviation to return to in the West. This why EK is more and more a one way ticket and you upgrade will take 10 years at least...
Keep discovering.. hello tomorrow.

[Al Murdoch]

Thanks for all your info Don - you've been consistently helpful on this thread.

[minwas]

10-14 years to become a cpt on a t7 or airbus?!?

Still much better than waiting exactly the same time on a crj :}

Don are there any rumors concerning starting dates?

[givemewings]

Was going to comment on the ****e standard of product on other airlines as additional reasons for pax changing carriers, but realised that is wasting my time feeding the troll.... 12yr Don? Geez the guys getting calls now must be glad they joined when they did...kids would be in high school by the time you got the 4th stripe if you had 'em now... :/

[donpizmeov]

Sorry Minwas, nothing new after the last email that was sent to the poolies.

Archer, if 800 pilots leave (that's 25% of the list) the new dude would get a seat on the last delivery. This does not take into account any more DECs. If HR are to be believed, rates of people leaving has slowed a lot in the last few years. We even have people rejoining as DECs.

This is all calculated guess. But best you plan on the worse case, and be pleased if things improve, rather than be disappointed when things don't happen, as happens often here.

We were told the cap on the fleet number was due to capacity at DXB.

The Don.

Wings, in March 2007 the EK pax fleet was 91 aircraft. It has doubled now. Hence command were quicker. I have received a PM stating that the 280 aircraft is for 2020 in stead of 2025 as I stated above. The new joiner now would need a fleet size of 340 to 360 to get a command if history for command time was to repeat.

[archer_737]

Thanks Don!

[Jetaim]

No please go ahead..comment on the ****e service of other airlines? Has Air France a ****ty service? Mhhh don't think so. What about Turkish Airlines Best European Airline for two years in a row? So tell me where is the excellent service eon board EK ? You mean that old styled ****ty gold plated Indian wanting to be British style ? EK is a low cost carrier and the only reason it gets passengers is price. Is the cheaper on almost all routes. And why is that? Because they don't pay taxes, they don't have to deal with union and they don't have any social responsibility. The money goes into the pocket of the dictator that buys his citizens consensus in cash. National socialism Arab style. A little too easy paying a Somali ramp agent 600 dollars and giving him a bed in some camp in the desert while the same job in Europe pays at least three times plus tax and pension for a total of 6 to 7 times more . So shall we lower the standard in Europe to compete and go back to slavery to be on par ? Well someone is trying. Going to work for them will effect somehow your and your sons future ..that is what you really don't understand. Let's stop the Arab conquest of World's aviation.

[Al Murdoch]

Don, is your gut feeling that the latest update on start dates (777 courses starting in Jan '13) represents a realistic situation at the moment?
Not feeding the troll.

[Laker]

I'm guessing it will get harder to find new joiners going forward. 14 years is a long time to wait for an upgrade.

[Jetaim]

You'll be a master slave in 14 years but don't worry...only one out 200 pilots resists that long in Camelhot so you will be most probably gone by then.

[duvivier]

If we know mid feb are the next in the list and these are non-airbus pilots (because latest airbuses were fished up even from late march)...how many pilots remain in the pool per month and what kind of type rated do they hold? Try to make an unofficial list...I am Boeing/Mid March...Next?

[givemewings]

Last time I checked it was costing me $500 more to fly full fare EK than the others on that route, cheapest yeah tell that to the passengers, they sure as heck expect their money's worth since they pay more on average.... when was the last time you got a hot meal on a flight.,.. lets not even mention those mythical things called towels.

Back to the topic, people come to ME because they want to, no one is forced onto a boat or plane. Yes some of the working conditions sucks but it's improving all the time. Even govt is taking steps to improve regulations etc. But you don't live in Dubai do you so how would you know..? I was worried about my future job before I joined EK since my own country is doing a pretty good job of messing things up themselves..,

Like someone else said, 99% of us here made an informed choice to move based on pros AND cons, not just the fluffy stuff coming from HR...

[Al Murdoch]

Same as you Duvivier.

[archer_737]

Boeing early May.
I'm at the end of the list, not expecting any offer before the end of the 1 year period in the pool.
Hopefully will be "globally" flying while waiting.
Good luck to the rest.

[Jetaim]

LHR MEL EK 2117 Euro NZ 2321 Euro

CDG KIX EK1083 Euro AF 1537 Euro

FRA CGK EK 862 Euro LH 1668 Euro

Flight all on same dates. What did you say about passenger willing to go to trough the Middle East ? You must be kidding right? Price is the driver. Keep discovering!!! As for the labor situation improving don't make me laugh!!. You don't know what you are talking about. Just be informed UAE is not a ILO ( International Labor Organization) member and did not sign the majority of the Human Rights charter. Wokers in UAE have just the right to work and shut up.If you say the word " union " you are in jail in no time. This is the main "secret" of the success of EK. You are about to join a Nazi (Hitler is openly praised in the UAE for obvious reasons ) organization put it well deep into your head there will be no space for dissent or complaints.

Find below the Human Rght watch for 2011 and see how the situation is improving...Hello tomorrow!!

World Report 2012: United Arab Emirates | Human Rights Watch (http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-united-arab-emirates)

[Machfive]

Its funny how the subject is lost as we gone the threads! So what is the latest on EK hiring?

[bigdaviet]

Mid march, boeing

[minwas]

crj9 mid feb

[supspiros]

Has anyone heard about any possibility for DEC's with the Emirates ?

[luvly jubbly]

OMG .
:ugh:

[Al Murdoch]

I don't mean to be rude - but this thread is about the EK hold pool for FOs.....

[groundtoflightdeck]

I think this is the new Emirates Interview Thread now...

[Kernow 101]

Boeing. Mid Feb.

Isn't there a guy who has done a list on how many are in the pool, and the statistical probability of being chosen based on date in the pool, type, etc , etc. It was on a different Airline Pilots forum, (in the foreign section)!? Anyway, he used to do this thing in a previous life and it proved quite interesting read. If anyone is interested, and wanted to add to the numbers. Google the forum and search for the EK hold pool thread there (I am guessing I cant put a direct link on here):)

[Pin Head]

are they still recuiting for fos then?

[Watchagonnado]

F/O recruitment is suspended indefinitely. Pool candidates are shortly to be given a Dear John. This is the word from over there. Gutted. Supposedly kicking off again in 2014/15. Sorry guys.

[Jetaim]

You should celebrate!

[Kernow 101]

F/O recruitment is suspended indefinitely. Pool candidates are shortly to be given a Dear John. This is the word from over there. Gutted. Supposedly kicking off again in 2014/15. Sorry guys

Yeh right, and they have cancelled all their a/c orders and deliveries from now! :rolleyes::rolleyes: Are you Jetaim´s 'boy wonder'?

[minwas]

hi guys
any news?

[Rizla2002]

no....I don't think there will be any significant change before september-october...
EK is the one and only airline I've applied for...but maybe it's time to start thinking about a plan B solution...
It takes about 5/6 months to get through a selection process, this means that if you wait the very last minute and you don't get the job, you'll have to waste another 1/2 a yr to get a decent job somewhere else...
For sure EK is going to need pilots in the near future...the problem is: will it happen soon enough to let us in without going through the selection process again?
I don't really understand this one year time limit rule...at least for those who are still flying and current on the EK fleet planes...:confused:
But these are the rules of the game...there's not much we can do about it...Ek didn't sign any contract with us...
waiting and hoping for the best.:ok:

[boarderdw]

Anyone have any reliable info or educated guess on how many of us are in the pool and how deep they might go when they start assigning classes next month? I was informed that we have to be in class before the 1 year interview date; not just assigned a class date before then. That tightens up the window quite a bit.

[Al Murdoch]

Well as you don't know the length, breadth or depth of the pool, what are you basing that assertion on!?

[boarderdw]

I used my "spidey senses"; hence my use of the word "guess"...

[Watchagonnado]

As I understand though deliveries are coming, a glut of locals are being trained up as well as other GCC license holders ahead of pool candidates. Though it's possible some guys might be selected, most are being temporarily canned and there are even candidates being slated for the selection program early next year. No shortage of applicants. I've moved on. I'd suggest you do too. Anything else could be considered a bonus. Life goes on...

[spider_man]

F/O recruitment is suspended indefinitely. Pool candidates are shortly to be given a Dear John. This is the word from over there. Gutted. Supposedly kicking off again in 2014/15. Sorry guys.

Can anyone verify this information please? No further FO selection until 2014/15?!

[minwas]

@ Watchagonnado

when did you get your Dear John letter? where do you get your info? when did you do your assessment?

@ spider_man

it`s hard to believe that there will be no recruitment in the months to come. who the f&%$ is going to fly those planes?

[TheGlide]

Heard from a reliable source that the holding pool will start to empty out next month and that recruitment will start up again before the end of the year for FO's.

Im not in the pool by the way just heard from a source in Recruitment.
Best of luck folks.

[Luckyheader]

Bit doom and gloom on here...stay positive until your required notice period will run over the twelve month period. No news is good news for now.

[BluSideUp]

Unless your unemployed! But yes, it is a bit doom and gloom. It's interesting how you get such varying opinions on here. Pool is bad. Pool is good. Need loads of pilots. NO PILOTS UNTIL 2014!

Rumours are always the most prevalent during times of silence. Keep your chin up. If you really want it, stay with it and keep believing! If another door opens before hand and you aren't sure about EK, maybe you're being told something...

BluSideUp!

[fatbus]

Just remember the the focal year 2013/14 starts Apr 1 /2013. courses are filled until Apr next year IE no hiring until 3013/14 and good old pprune has turned that into 2014 . The only thing that has changed is the experience of the application to chose from.

[Easy Ryder]

All courses are filled till April 2013? Thats news....

Maybe for Airbus courses, although 12 guys a Week or thereabouts being transferred to the 380 (from sept when qantas courses start) i get the feeling the 330/340 fleet will be coming up a bit short....

Boeing courses are booked up until mid Jan from what I gather.

Simple fact is lots of aircraft are coming, and I think they outnumber the amount of retirements. The latest I heard is they're not dropping the 343s (again).... So take a breath and look at things logically, not emotionally.

[archer_737]

Well, always a surprise to see how 2 or 3 well informed guys have exactly opposite informations apparently from exactly same sources... :D

Just to correct something, the last email said AIRBUS courses were full for the financial year (till April 1st 2013) but BOEING courses to start again in late January 2013, dates to be given next month. So no, apparently not all the courses are full, just airbus.

Regarding to the above advise, yes, the unemployed guys like me are taking actions because waiting for EK could be the biggest mistake ever. Not much contract jobs out there, but some things now like THY for example. Will see how we can manage to leave a new job, probably bonded, if we get the call from EK.

[Al Murdoch]

Guys - I think we should try and avoid panicking! I have it from a very good source that there will be an update in the next few weeks.
I don't have the Don's inside knowledge but I'm reasonably well connected and there is nothing to suggest that any of the above stuff about no recruitment 'til 2014 is true. Everything I hear points towards courses (Boeing) starting up in the next few months. Obviously that's not concrete but its the best I have.

[Me Myself]

Hi

I know this is a F/O thread but I'm not going to start one to just check the following :

One of our pilots ( major european airline but not A380 rated ) apparently just got an offer from EK as a direct entry captain on the A380.
It does sound like Xmas in August to me but who knows.
Anyone with inside knowledge who could comment on this ? Rubbish or genuine ?

[donpizmeov]

You are correct Me, the DECs are for 777 and 330 only. Why would anyone leave a command at a Major European carrier to start here on year 1 command pay? Almost harder to believe than the 380 command rumour.

The Don

[speedhold]

Can anyone tell me how to update or change the.referee section online can't seem.to.find.where.to.change it
Thanks

[Me Myself]

Don

Is this from a well informed insider view ? I take it you work for EK ?
I honestly can't see how EK could have outsider get direct entry command on the airline's Flagship but like many, I am an agnostic.

Why would anyone leave ???? :))))) Dear Don, if you knew where this guy comes from, you wouldn't ask.

So, I should keep smiling eventhough I was sold a truck load of tosh.

[cheiser]

I have the same problem i want to send my application for the first time but no section for Referee something knows where it must be writen ? the referee need to be from chief pilot or instructors? does somebody knows? Thank you

[boarderdw]

Anyone know the PSP selection date for the last candidates in the pool? Beginning, mid or late May?

[archer_737]

A guy who contacted me via PM in this forum to ask for some questions regarding the EK selection process was interviewing, if I remember well, late June.
I did it in early May.
I would say that the holding pool goes from mid February until late June maybe early July.

Good luck guys.

[donpizmeov]

DEC interviews are ongoing at the moment.

The Don

[Al Murdoch]

Update received. Broadly no change in situation. At the end of September they are going to start making offers for the 777 fleet for courses starting in Jan 2013. Numbers yet to be determined but more people in the pool than places available. No more airbus courses this year.

[minwas]

:D for the update
:\ for the Jan courses
:( for the limited positions

[Luckyheader]

It says there are more people in the hold pool than places available before the end of the financial year, which ends at the beginning of April. Last time I checked the pool goes into June/ July? Don't sweat about it!

[White Knight]

but I just wanted to know why Emirates hasn't adopted the idea of DESOs

They don't want them. Period!

and help a lot of EK wannabes reach their goals sooner

EK does not have philanthropic tendencies. They have plenty of people applying as FO and DEC.

[falconeasydriver]

just curious since it would drastically benefit EK financialy.

Says who?
Don't forget that the basic costs of type rating someone..then providing accommodation are the same, as are bringing families across etc..so no saving there.
Next, how many EK sectors actually require a cruise S/O, certainly a few on the 777 and a couple on the 380, but that's about it. I think EK understand that they can attract a reasonable standard of candidate without having to resort to 250hr heros, in any case we have a bit of that already with the local cadet pilots.
Lastly, my impression is, thanks to the location of the crew rest on our fleet, the local GCAA require two current and qualified pilots upfront at all times....a requirement that an S/O is unable to fill in their eyes.

[Al Murdoch]

Guys can we restrict this stuff to the other many and varied threads on Emirates please? There are a great many jumpy pilots who are hoping to hear updates on this thread. Thanks.

[donpizmeov]

Jungle drums say another 40ish DEC required before the end off financial year. This further reduces the number of FOs required. I am sure .HR/recruiting will update everyone once the dust settles.

The don

[Al Murdoch]

Thanks Don - I've been calm and collected until now, but this is just becoming a joke. Time to look at other things.

[White Knight]

WK
I'm sure you can agree with me that EK of all airlines would save a LOT of money by having SOs for their long haul flights than an all FO and Capt. crew. Surely there must be a good reason why they don't have them already, than just "they don't want them". I am not having a go or anything at you WK, just curious since it would drastically benefit EK financialy.

MC

Well. I'll put it this way. Last year was a 'bad' year financially at EK; making only $500 million odd profit (can't remember the exact figure), so saving by having cheaper SOs would be literally a drop in the ocean!

Besides - would you really want to be a 1,000hr SO while a cadet with 500 hours outranks you????

And to clarify - they really "just don't want them" is from the top

[donpizmeov]

Well if we can't have SOs, can we get dancing girls?

[White Knight]

Ah yes - good to see you're thinking straight:ok:

[donpizmeov]

Mate,

The non straight go Boeing! :E

[bucket_and_spade]

Dumb question maybe...

Why more DECs and not the upgrading of current EK FOs, leading to more FO recruitment?

[White Knight]

Mate,

The non straight go Boeing!

Mate. No argument from me here:}:}:}

Why more DECs and not the upgrading of current EK FOs, leading to more FO recruitment?

EK would love to upgrade more FOs... But logistically - difficult!

[bucket_and_spade]

Hi White Knight,

You've intrigued me - logistically difficult...!?

B&S

[White Knight]

Well as Ex A380 says it's a lot of extra training to get upgrades from the RHS at a time when the training department is stretched to the seams! As I say, logistically difficult... I'd like to see more F/Os upgrading believe me!!!

[MidnightCobra]

non straight go Boeing

If it's not Boeing i'm not going :}

[minwas]

I'll take both :E

[MidnightCobra]

Ex A380 don't know if you were around when the boys/gals down at your previous outfit called the certain boeing aircraft you flew, the "ferrari of the skies" :ok:

[MidnightCobra]

Ex A380 - no arguments there :} haha

[Just_landed]

Hey guys,
My online application status has been showing "shortlisted" since aug'11 and
I have been silently reading all the EK threads here on pprune since quite a long time now. Came across some really wonderful knowledge off-website. But after everything i have read in this thread, i still can't help understanding that when you all mention the word "hold pool", is it for people like me awaiting the very first call/mail to induction rounds or for the people who have already been interviewed and tested and waiting for their joining call/mail?

Someone, please clarify.

Safe landings...:)

[Al Murdoch]

Just landed - this is for people who have passed the selection process and are just waiting for a start date.

[archer_737]

Just_landed

Just curios, we were wondering in this thread how big the pool was.
We thought the pool went from February to July, but you say you interviewed in August?
Was that for FO or DEC?

Cheers.

[luvly jubbly]

No Archer.

He said he has been shortlisted since August. He has not been assessed yet.

rgds,

LJ

[Kernow 101]

Archer,

That's "Aug'11" :E:E

Still waiting...................

[archer_737]

Oups :O

Yes I see, shortlisted for the assessment.

Sorry! :ok:

[Just_landed]

That's for F/O.

sorry to go off-topic guyz but, i am suprised to see the absolute ignorance Ek is showing to people like me for a mere yes/no for over a year now, and this is when the online application shows it consistently since then.

can somebody guide me about their online application codes for status, right from - under review, shortlisted........(please fill up the rest for me).

[Bike]

Status is "applied, under review and shortlisted" in that order. There is no further change to your status after being shortlisted, not even after you have attended the selection and passed it. Basically, the next step for you is to receive an email from a real person (recruiter or recruitment assistant) inviting you to a selection and offering dates to choose from. But as I said, no further changes to your application status, it will remain as shortlisted until you have passed the selection and have been offered a position.

[fernando737]

Hi to everybody,
Ive just landed in this forum. I passed my selection late in May, we were only two FO and 14 DEC. Im currently flying B737NG, over 6500 on type in a skyteam alliance airline.
Thanks a lot for updating news from dxb....and by the time being....swimming in the pool.
And I got this letter from HR on september 06th...

Following on from our last update in July, we would like to advise you that the situation remains the same and our next courses planned for First Officers start in January 2013 on our Boeing Fleet. Therefore we are likely to start making some offers for those courses at the very end of September. We have not confirmed numbers at this stage. We do not require any more First Officers to start on our Airbus Fleet for the remainder of the financial year.

You continue to remain in a successful applicant pool from which we identify, select and fill our training courses to meet our Airline's training needs and fleet expansion plans. Please note that to join Emirates, you must have flown a commercial aircraft on a regular basis within the 12 month period before your start date. As you would be aware, Emirates is a rapidly expanding Airline and as a result, we experience change continually. It is possible then, that we may experience further changes to the above which could result in us requiring pilots to start sooner or later than we expect at this stage.
The number of candidates in the applicant pool does exceed the expected number of new joining pilots this financial year. It is likely that we will not be able to offer all successful candidates a position before April 1st[/U][/U]. Given the planned growth we have ahead of us though, our pilot numbers will undoubtedly continue to grow and therefore your desire to remain interested in a position with Emirates is important to us.

If you have any questions relating to this e-mail, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

[Kernow 101]

Anybody else get a call a couple of days ago to update details, with a view to offering course dates in Jan??

Was told to expect a call again either yesterday or today, and am now wearing a groove in the floor pacing up and down waiting for said call!! :sad::sad:

[cede21]

I got the call too. I'm also a bit nervous, all we can do is wait with our fingers crossed ...

[Wizofoz]

Just a heads up for any new joiners who are DECs or joining with Kids- Check the accomodation situation.

I believe there is a severe shortage of Villa accomodation, so check with recruiting.

[Al Murdoch]

Nice one guys... Kernow can you remind me when you interviewed?
Cheers.

[Kernow 101]

Interviewed in Feb!

[boarderdw]

Great news, congratulations! Please let us know when you are assigned an actual start date. Did any March or April interviewees receive the same call? A friend at Emirates says he was told the pool will be empty by Feb. Fingers crossed...

[archer_737]

friend of mine got the same call, he's from Feb.
No call for the guys from May.
Apparently they ask something like "are you still interested in working with us?" Don't think many guys will say no, right? :ok:

Good luck!

[bigdaviet]

Any calls for those who interviewed in March?

[moneyhoon]

Interviewed early March no call yet....

[Rizla2002]

Does anybody know if any Airbus rated guy has been called?

[Kernow 101]

Rizla2002 Does anybody know if any Airbus rated guy has been called?


Many of the Airbus guys guys got the call earlier in the year for CCQ courses onto the 330.

[Rizla2002]

some of us inteviewed after they stopped CCQ's...
So I wanted to know if they are gonna call boeing rated guys first and wait for the Airbus courses to start again before calling the Bus people...

[boarderdw]

I asked HR what would determine start date assignments. The response was that it would be based strictly on selection date completion- first come, first serve.

[wascocity]

Interviewed late April and still waiting...

[mikypmi]

I was interviewed at the beginning of April.. No call no nothing..

There's nothing but wait..

[spyce]

Same no call and interview start of April.

Wait and see!

[tmpdy]

How long it takes for getting an interview ?

[anzorat]

actually i am shortlisted for an interview and waiting for 15 days as i see some guys interviewed and waiting for a start date for months probably i should stop waiting for a call (6000 ttl 2500 NG 3500 777 hours)

[Luckyheader]

Any news today, being the very end of September?

[archer_737]

Seems they're trying to call all the swimmers before any decision will be made.
As far as I know only candidates from February were called last week. Questions asked:
-Present situation.
-Currency.
-Still interested in working with us?

So... don't think any course date will be given at least in a couple of days more.

Good luck.

[Sand swimmer]

Hi all,

Interviewed mid-february. Called last week for data update. I was told I would be told something soon. Nothing yet by now.
Good luck you all

[archer_737]

Did someone else get the call?

[Al Murdoch]

What call would that be?

[Watchagonnado]

Smells like another delaying tactic, keep turning the spit-roast - don't let them get stale, give a taste to keep 'em keen.

[Al Murdoch]

What would be the point in that?

[archer_737]

Al

I meant the call that some guys got last week.
I got an email in response to a question I did and they informed me that they were calling all the candidates. But, apparently only called guys from february, right?

[jonjon]

I was there right at the end of February and still no call for me.

I guess they are working down the list one candidate at a time.

[archer_737]

Thanks for the info, better we say one candidate a day :E

[Jetstreamer1]

Anyone know what the call is about?

[Jetstreamer1]

Anyone else having problems updating their applications online? Now that "they calling" want to make sure im updating, but couldnt!!:sad:

[bigdaviet]

What happens when you try to update your appl?

[ohshit]

Hi all,

Anyone out there who has updated their application and not received any confirmation that their application has been updated?

Plus as anyone recently been given an interview date?

fly safe

[Jetstreamer1]

When I update it, it looks updated and then when I log in the same old info appears! Frustrating!:ugh:

On another note, a mate of mine got a course offer yesterday....Boeing fleet...so it has started....:ok:

[Kernow 101]

Do you know what his course start date is?

[Aussie]

Also when did he interview...? Feb???

[Kernow 101]

Wahaaaay!! Just got the start date for Jan :E:E

To think I started this process with a pre selection day waaaaay back in May 2011:eek::eek:

But don't fret, most of my wait was due being short on hours :}

Good luck:ok:

[Skindogg]

Congratulations! You must be relieved..

[bigdaviet]

Congratulations!

Was it by phone or email?

[Sand swimmer]

Called by phone yesterday. Start Jan. Pool will start emptying from now on but don't expect a call tomorrow. It was quite full! Good luck

[Jetstreamer1]

Start date - early Jan. Interviewed in early Feb.

[Al Murdoch]

May or not be the case but a reliable source told me that 16 pilots were called this week for a start in Jan. Apparently they are going to rapidly ramp up FO's courses in the next few months.

[bigdaviet]

So from the posts above can we be slightly more optimistic? Are they expecting to offer a lot more courses in coming weeks and months before our applications expire?

[archer_737]

Well, optimistic? I'm a bit more realistic. They gave apparently only 16 positions. Around 150 or 160 waiting so...
Was waiting also for some news "at the end of september". Already October 5th and nothing.:ugh:

[bigdaviet]

I had the impression that if we weren't part of the group that got offers "very end of september" then it was essentially over. (I assessed in March so my application will expire before the new financial year.)

However, now the suggestion seems to be that there will be more offers over coming weeks and months. If this is the case then perhaps we can be more optimistic.

Of course this is all speculation so some clarification will have to be sought.

[archer_737]

Yes, I understand your point.
I assessed in May so will have April 2013 (new financial year) as a margin to get course.
good luck guys!

[jonjon]

Archer, Bigdaviet,

Sorry I have to say it but stop worrying so much.

You have not been called end of September? Me neither, and apparently another 140 guys sat by their phones waiting.

You said it yourselves: 150 in the pool or so we think, did you really think that on the 30/09, all of us would get a call for a start date in January?

Emirates did exactly what they said they would: get in touch at the end of September, first in first out basis, some were waiting since early Feb, well they got a call.

Chill out, there is movement, it's not all doom and gloom

Good luck

[archer_737]

Of course not, we were just waiting to receive an email as promised by EK saying, ok we've given 14 courses or so, more courses in the next weeks, etc.. Some like the June or July email which gives you a first hand information in order to not to be asking in pprune for someone that knows a guy that knows another guy who works in HR bla bla
Thats it.

[groundtoflightdeck]

Jonjon is a bit hard on you guys .. The waiting game is painful. That said its October 5th... Still early to hear. If you want to know something call/email. They are very approachable and the squeaky wheel gets the grease- because we all know they don't HAVE to go by interview date....

[fatbus]

A word of warning, don't come here and start saying you were promised anything from EK. It does not go over well.

[Rizla2002]

On Flightglobal.com EK is looking for pilots....posted on 2nd october...does it ring any bell?
hope so...

[archer_737]

They're looking for pilots because half the pool will be out of date soon and they'll have no more pilots on standby.

Did you guys see the last email sent today?

Discouraging news I would say. They gave 16 new dates for January. Thought that this was for the first part of the month and some other guys were going to be given courses in January but in the email they say that next courses will be in February.
A quick look to the pool will tell us that we're around 150 guys, if only 16 per month are given a course then we will definitely pass the 1 year.

Well, we will have to interview again.

Free round trip to Dubai in the 777 business class, isn't that bad. :ok:

[emergencyexit]

any idea how many DEC in the pool? and how many for 777 and for airbus?

tks!

[bigdaviet]

So is there anyone who assessed mid Feb - mid March still waiting?

[archer_737]

Yes, couple of friends of mine interviewed in February and still waiting.

[Al Murdoch]

Archer - 150 guys, did we ever establish how many were Boeing?

[archer_737]

Well, 150 guys is not a confirmed number, just the rumors over pprune.

And I don't think it really matters how many of them are Boeing experienced. They mentioned long before that the Airbus guys were given priority because of the CCQ into the 330 but nobody said that now they're going priority to Boeing guys.
As someone mentioned before in this thread:

I asked HR what would determine start date assignments. The response was that it would be based strictly on selection date completion- first come, first serve.

[minwas]

"So is there anyone who assessed mid Feb - mid March still waiting?"

yo, mid feb and no call

[Jetstreamer1]

Archer,

I thought you foccusing on Turkish?? What happened to that? By the sounds of your annoyance with EK, why do you even want to go there?

[PW2040]

I was shortlisted recently , any good guesstimate how long to expect before any more news, what is normal timespan.

Greetings from Eurozone.

PW2040

[archer_737]

Archer,

I thought you foccusing on Turkish?? What happened to that? By the sounds of your annoyance with EK, why do you even want to go there?

I am going to work for the company that gives me a job, in this case THY.
In the other hand, I still have a small chance to be called by EK to start in April - early May. In this case I will leave THY and join EK, simple, isn't it?

Wouldn't you do the same?

[groundtoflightdeck]

I think the 150 hold pool number is way out there... Unless some has better info than me: think about what we know. We don't have everyone on pprune but we get a profile and seems to be Feb, March, half April and 2 in may. First half of Feb got start dates... That was 16. At that rate they make 32 successful candidates every month. To expand... At 50% success rate that's 64 selections per month total. That's 15/ week and passes the reasonableness test. So... The good news is that the most the may have in the pool is 16 x 2.5 months + 2 in May. That puts my estimate at 42 - 16 hired is 24 remaining. They will hire 16 more for Feb and March then you start turning to pumpkins. Leaving 8 guys getting the shaft. I think holding 42 or 2 - 3 classes makes way more sense. So chin up. May not be as competitive as you think.

[archer_737]

well, 2 in May????
As you said, not everyone is using pprune.
Only in the week of May that I was there we successfully passed around 10 to 15 FOs (plus 3 DECs).
Taking March, April and May that makes it 12 weeks x 10 pilots/week...
voila you already have 120 guys.
Then think about the 2 weeks from February plus we save some info about guys who interviewed in June, definitely we must be approaching 150 people, may it be 130 or 160, but close to that.

And, why are you assuming 32 guys/month? In their last email they said that they have given 16 courses for January and that the next courses will be in February, that means that in January they only gave date for 16 guys.

If they keep this numbers only half of the pool will get the job, maybe 3/4.

Edit: all of that is assuming that they were interviewing every week, if they did only twice a month obviously we should be less guys in the pool, don't know if you have some info regarding how many interview weeks they were having every month.

[Luckyheader]

Archer, please stop being so negative .They have explained they don't have space for everyone before the end of the financial year. The guys who interviewed in May and June have until after the end of March. You're right, not everyone will have a job by April, but please have some faith!

The dates given out so far seem to be for the later half of January, for a full month you'd figure that they give out double that number. I interviewed in April and I'm not at all concerned , yet, of course!

Happy flightings.

[archer_737]

Excuse me, maybe I've got a different email than you, on mine they say:
16 Boeing courses has been assigned, further courses expected in February for Boeing fleet.
And, according to a colleague writing in this thread he was given a date in EARLY January, a friend of mine got mid January.
So you're assuming that using the second half of January they only gave 16 courses, so, in February using the whole month they will give 32.
I am sorry but reading the info written in this post I get the opposite conclusion which is that they filled the whole month of January with 16 courses, thats it.
If you have a different info I'll be happy to read.

Good luck

[groundtoflightdeck]

I just don't think they are keeping 150 in the pot. I wouldn't think they would interview faster they were hiring. So if the rate of hiring is 16 per month and they pass 50% then 32 FOs per month is the interview rate. Had though that someone said in May it was 2 FOs and 13 DECs. I say 50 max in the pool. Why don't you email and ask them what percentage they estimate will turn to pumpkins? But if you interviewed in May then I would take a Zanex and concentrate on doing your job with THY well. You have lots of time before you're out of the running.

[archer_737]

Thanks

Much appreciated

[fernando737]

During my assesment, May 28-30, we were 14 DEC's and 2 FO's (a belgian A320 and me B737NG).

Successful: one DEC and two FO.

And during that week no more interviews were held.

And this is a part of an email I got a few days ago...

The number of candidates in the applicant pool does exceed the expected number of new joining pilots this financial year. It is likely that we will not be able to offer all successful candidates a position before April 1st. Given the planned growth we have ahead of us though, our pilot numbers will undoubtedly continue to grow and therefore your desire to remain interested in a position with Emirates is important to us.

[HornetDrvr]

Assessed in mid-Feb. Got my letter saying 16 for the January course. Unless I get something either in January or the beginning of February, I'll be going back for re-assessment....it's getting really close boys!

[archer_737]

You'll be in the group of guys for the beginning of February for sure!

Good luck!

[tonne]

Any word when interviews will start up again?

[three eighty]

I would suggest contacting whoever was dealing with your application as I heard somewhere recently that they were gearing up for interviews again.

[tonne]

I don't know who was "dealing" with my application...

I have received two automated emails from EK, one telling me I've applied and one telling me I'm on the "shortlist" for an interview. (status on app still says "shortlist")

Is there a way to email someone specifically?

[mikypmi]

Hello mates,

Just to ask what's your current status on your profile from the website, because mine changed from "selected on hold"- to" under review".

I don't know what it really means because I was interviewed in April but I would like to know what's yours guys.

Thanks and happy landings:ok:

[fatbus]

At a washup a few days ago , HR said courses filled til about FEB and that they have never had as mainly qualified apps as they have now. It will take some time to get through all of them. Recruiting has slowed due to the number of apps. Still on plan to hire @450 this year, Next years plan not done yet.

[Tazman282]

I have been changed to under review as well, all we can do is wait and see, could be good or bad, who knows, we will know when we get a call or an email. Good luck.

April 2012
Tazman282

[fernando737]

Hi guys,

My profile has changed to "UNDER REVIEW" as well....
Interviewed in May.

I do expect an email from HR this week to explain what is going on....as they do when they send "Emirates Update"....

Easy....

[bigdaviet]

Interviewed mid march.

My app status has also changed from "fc selected on hold" to "under review."

Don't know if this is a big deal or not tbh.

[archer_737]

Same here, early May and status changed to "under review".

No idea what does it mean.

[Rizla2002]

same for me...mid may...

[boarderdw]

Early April. "Under review". The plot thickens...

[Rizla2002]

is this "under review" good or bad news?

[groundtoflightdeck]

AFAIK? Otherwise good stuff!

[Tight Seat]

As Far As I Know = AFAIK

I asked a teenager!

[archer_737]

Hi there!

Well, they didn't stop the recruiting just focused on DECs, right? So maybe you saw the sim running but was for a DEC assessment, which means nothing for us the FOs :ugh::ugh:

Talking about AFAIK, a Spanish non English native understood it!!! :E:E:E

[groundtoflightdeck]

Haha. Nice, yeah I still type is out. I was thinking: Advanced flight integrated.. Then I got a brain ache;)

[Jetstreamer1]

Archer,

Can you seriously stop complaining?? You are starting to annoy!! Seriously you like a child about this whole hold pool thing! There are guys in a worst state that you! Serioulsy mate, give it up. I hope i dont end up on a course with you!!

[Jetstreamer1]

On a POSITIVE note all,

Under review just simply allows you to edit your profile Im assuming as I spoke to HR recently about not being able to edit my profile and a day later my application changed to under review. So my assumption is its really just to "unlock your profile" I may be wrong??:hmm:

[archer_737]

Oh lord, tell me, you seem to know everything. Who is in worst situation than me and who is not?

Thank you.

Btw, whats my situation? Just to know.

Good luck!

[Rizla2002]

please guys, stay on topic...
we are all waiting for news and we don't need to read about you bitching eachother!
thanks

[archer_737]

Ok I see, you seem to know everything like our colleague.
It is a shame that you fly a plane not valid for EK.
But, tell me, does this flying in your plane give you € to pay the bills?
In this case you're right now in a much better situation than me.

Thats it, I don't need to be discussing my situation with anyone. I will comment in this thread positively when I feel it like this and negatively when I feel so, and thats it. No more explanation needed from my part.

Good luck to all.

[minwas]

Many months ago the HR person told me that they closed the online application because I was sucsseful so there was no need for it any longer...to cut a long story short, I'm under review as well. Very interesting...

[archer_737]

When they changed our status to the "selected on hold" I was able to update my profile too.
So I don't think they need to change it to "under review" to allow us to update it.
Maybe they changed their mind and instead of selecting people strictly because of the date of interview they are reviewing the profiles and selecting people taking another kind of things into account. Some examples come to my mind: currency, total hours, performance in the assessment (skill showed in the sim, etc). It make sense that they need to take a while to "review" all the profiles, isn't it?

I remember some guy working at EK said in this thread long ago that they used this kind of parameters in the past.

I don't see the relation between the words: "under review" to "you can update your profile now".

Just a guess.

[flamingmoe]

Did I read correctly?..14 DEC interviews, and ONE successfull??

[jonjon]

got a call today asking about current situation / last flight / notice period.

Said they may call back in the next few days or weeks for Feb courses.

Interview late Feb.

[boarderdw]

Did any April or May guys get the call requesting a status update?

[bigdaviet]

Any early-mid march guys get a call?

[mikypmi]

Early april... Nothing so far:ugh:

[wascocity]

late April...nothing

[Al Murdoch]

Very late March - got called.

[mikypmi]

When were you called al murdoch?

It seems the swimming pool is starting to empty

[PWH]

I was interviewed late feb and has not been called. What type are you presently on Al Murdoch? It seems they are cherry picking at the moment..

[Al Murdoch]

I was called last week - just to update details and see if I was still interested, so not exactly fished out yet. Nevertheless I'm hoping for some better news in the next few weeks. I'm current on the 737.

[Man Flex 37.5]

There are 3 DEC interview sessions in November, not sure if they're mixing them with FO's.

[all119]

After getting shortlisted how long after they call you for interview ? Thanks

[pilot3103]

All119, I applied mid April, short listed a week after, and still waiting!! Things seem to be moving a bit as it seems.
3103

[Al Murdoch]

Guys, the interview thread is here:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/495693-ek-interview-shortlist-fos.html

This thread is for people who have completed selection.

[flamingmoe]

What sort of experience levels have short listed DEC's had recently?

[bigdaviet]

This thread is for first officers who have passed selection.

[Man Flex 37.5]

Sorry for hijacking

12,500 TT
6,500 A320 TRE
1300 A340
1300 B737

[Luckyheader]

Back to "selected on hold".

Doh !

[archer_737]

Yep, I was expecting the update call while the status was "under review". No call, back to "selected on hold".

No idea what "under review" meant. :E

[minwas]

Perhaps to give the guys who've been selected for feb to update their profile.

[bigdaviet]

We've always been able to update our profiles while they have been "Fc selected on hold."

[minwas]

Ooookay,
mine was closed until they told me that I won't start on jan/feb :(

[fernando737]

"Selected on hold"....again!
???:ugh:

[bigdaviet]

My application was only 'frozen' for a week or two before they announced the January jobs. Before that I could update. They sent me an email in the summer advising that they were changing the status to "fc selected on hold" and that this would allow us to update.

Anyway, it's not a big deal really. We just have to be patient and keep our fingers crossed!

[minwas]

Yeah, similar story like that one 'first come, first served'...

[archer_737]

I received the same email and was advised that with the "selected on hold" status I'll be able to update the application. Actually they kindly asked to update it as they wanted to know was going on with us.
As I said before, I don't think that the change of our status to "under review" meant to allow us to update. Must be something else, what? No f:mad: idea!

As always, good luck guys :ok:

[mikypmi]

whats going on here guys?? any good news??

[minwas]

Some with the right rating got the good news

[archer_737]

boeing rated? Wide body?

good luck

[minwas]

Anybody with news to share?

[Kernow 101]

Archer,

It appears to have been Boeing rated guys (wide or narrow) this last round of calls, and they worked in order through those who had interviewed first.

I hope next time for people, especially like my friend Minwas who interviewed same week as me :ouch:, they are not so selective on the ratings and start taking the guys and girls who interviewed in order of date only.

Word is that next financial years F/O requirements are still around the 400 mark :ok:

Just hope they extend the 12 months for you guys who interviewed in Feb & March!! Got to make more sense to extend by 6 months rather than logistics of trying to fit in to an already busy recruitment schedule?

Good luck.

[archer_737]

thanks for sharing.

Will see whats going on in the next email, already the end of the month

[bigdaviet]

I don't think we'll hear anything until next week. I believe they've been on holiday for at least part of this week.

[spyce]

According to the 12 months validity...

Who said that it means you start date have to be max 12 months?

I think that the validity is until you sign a contract, so 3 months (minimum) before starting! (so for feb guys it is ok until feb for a start in may latest)

Am I wrong?

[minwas]

Yes you are wrong.

They said that the starting date must be latest in 12 months. So feb -3 would mean course offer in oct.

[wascocity]

Is there anybody selected in feb still waiting? If yes, any information from ek concerning what type of re-assessment to be done? I tried to ask two weeks ago at least but no answer from hr...:\

[boarderdw]

Hopefully they will allow for an extension on time in the pool; maybe 18 months instead? I think we should be hearing from them soon. Otherwise all the Feb, March and early April guys that didn't receive a start date yet are in trouble.

[Tazman282]

I truly hope that is not the case, I finished up early April and was hoping I had until at least Jan and if not all the way till March as my notice is only two weeks. Good luck to any of you that finished up early Feb and I hope they extend the 1yr requirement, really doesn't make much sense to let go of someone they thought was suitable just to reevaluate or interviewer them again. Please advise of any emails that you may receive in regards to the selection and reevaluation process. Thanks!

[bigdaviet]

How did you find out that feb classes are full? Reliable source?

[Al Murdoch]

I don't think anyone has actually been called for Feb start yet have they? Only called to check their details...

[spyce]

- However, whilst not guaranteed, we hope we will be in a position to offer you a position within the 12 month application currency period.

- Please note your application currency is only valid for a period of one year from the date of completion of your selection programme, after which time if still interested, we would require you to reapply to us and you would need to be reassessed.

- Please note that to join Emirates, you must have flown a commercial aircraft on a regular basis within the 12 month period before your start date.

Here are the parts where they talked about the 12 months. But I can t find anything about having to start within those 12 months...

[archer_737]

Well, I think it is obvious that they mean the start date.
They can not, for example, call you an tell you:
"you will start in 2015 but hey! we called you before the 12 months were gone so it is fine".

Regarding the extension of the 12 months.
It is just a feeling that I have but Emirates guys seems to be quite "professional" or "strict" on that kind of things. If they say that something works like that I don't expect them to be making exemptions. Some of us will have to re-assess again but well, we did it good once I guess we can do it ok next time!

[spyce]

Of course not!

But if they call you juste before your 12 months for a start just after your notice periods... ?

The 12 months is only for the personality test by the way.

[archer_737]

What about the medical check? If you join lets say after 1 year and 3 months since you did your medical, instead of being able to renew it you may have to do it all over again as if it was an initial one because it is out of date.
Quite a fer more € for the company, isn't it?

[minwas]

spyce,
I meant getting a job offer without having to do any kind of tests again.Hence feb -3 months. You said that this 12 month thing applies for the personality tests? I remember a recruiting specialist telling us that especially those tests are very accurate and when the time comes for the upgrade assessment, the results than will very little differ to those at the beginning. So why the f:mad: doing them after one year?

Let's say they will offer me a starting date for apr, that would mean that the new assessment would be on jan, right? considering the 3 months notice but than again I would still be in the 12 month period.

[luvly jubbly]

Are you offered immediate reassessment, or would you go back into the shortlisted pile?

There's quite a few on here who have been slating the recruitment process. The recruitment team do read this forum:=

LJ

[spyce]

The medical I have no idea... But I haven t received a medical from dubai so maybe the Jar or Faa medical will be enough...

Be for sure the best is wait and see and we will have some news soon or later!

[archer_737]

Spyce.

Excuse me, are we talking about the same? We all did a medical check at the end of the assessment which gave us 1 year validity for the medical license in the UAE.
That was a company medical check and also a medical check to get our UAE medical certificate which will be out of date after 1 year.

Luvly jubbly;

Nobody is happy to be waiting such a long time but I don't think that people here is bitching about the recruiters job. They were quite professional and nice when we were there so no bad words for them.
About the situation, is a f:mad: big s:mad: but nothing to do with them, same in QR and some other companies. Market fluctuations I would say.

[Al Murdoch]

To clear this up once and for all I have directly asked Emirates what the situation is regarding the 3 months thing. The answer came back that you must start a course within 12 months of passing selection.
I understand that this is due to the validity of the medical but that could be incorrect.

[spyce]

Thanks Murdoch!

[minwas]

lj,
no one is slating the recruitment procedure. If EK wants the candidates to play the piano while balancing on a red rubber ball as part of the assessment, so be it.

It's the uncertainty and all the waiting which is nerve wracking. Personally I don't mind the recruiters reading this thread

[Watchagonnado]

They read this $h!t ?

[Al Murdoch]

Start dates for Feb being issued today.

[MosEisley]

Guys, I can assure you, they do read this. Their job is to fill the needs of fleet which is subject to planning which is subject to commercial. I am also reasonably sure that there will be no exceptions to the 12 month rule. It's a good company but they are not known to make exceptions to any policies.

[Jetstreamer1]

Al Murdoch, how do you know? Have you been offered? Know anyone who has?

[Jetstreamer1]

About HR reading this??? What would they get out of it??:cool:

[Kernow 101]

Can confirm, some more off my selection course in Feb got the course dates for Feb 13 :ok::ok: (not rated either ;))

[bigdaviet]

I received the good news on monday! Just finished dotting the Is and crossing the Ts.

I assessed in March.

It seems like the pool really is emptying now, I just hope that they can squeeze you all through before your applications expire.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the thread and good luck to you all remaining in the pool.

[Jetstreamer1]

Well done Kernow & Bigdavied. Great news!

Kernow what you rated on?

[Kernow 101]

Boeing, and I got the call last month for start in Jan.

Well done for those who also got a course offer this month. :D

[minwas]

Congrats guys :ok:

[archer_737]

Congratulations guys! Don't forget to come back here from time to time and inform us about the life there and the company!
Enjoy the t7!:ok:

[Iver]

Wow - that is great news about the movement. It is also a pleasant surprise that the Boeing fleet is getting some newhires after the Airbus-centered last 6 months or so. :ok: I take it the 777 training backlog has been reduced and now newbies are being allocated again.

Is that trend (Boeing slots) likely to continue? What will be the likely mix of Boeing/Airbus into the near future? Any guesses?

[Tazman282]

Congrats on getting the call, hope one of these days I am as fortunate.

As far as HR reading this forum, they even asked me in the interview if I have ever been on here before.

Any idea how many guys got the call and how many remain in the pool?

I am not sure what the future holds for Airbus or Boeing, but I do know of two guys that just started A380 transition so that might mean they ramp up the Airbus again soon. We did get that email stating they would not need any Airbus slots for the rest of the financial year which I believe is March but anything could change at anytime.

[boarderdw]

Congrats to those getting the calls, seems to be picking up nicely now. Also seems like they're calling most of the Feb/Mar people; even the non Boeing guys. Keeps the dream alive. Any Feb or Mar interviewees that did not get the call?? Are we April guys really next?!

[jonjon]

am end of Feb and except the update call 3 weeks ago, nothing since

[wascocity]

jonjon, are u rated on the bus?

[jonjon]

Am 737NG...

[archer_737]

What about the end of the month update?

[luvly jubbly]

Maybe it will come at the end of the month?? :rolleyes:

LJ

[archer_737]

Ok that was funny.
I meant the end of October update. Already November 9th and nothing. Has anyone received an email?

Cheers

[mikypmi]

They called me yesterday in order to offer me to start the course in February.
I attended the assessment at the beginning of April, boeing 737NG rated.

Thank you very much guys and I wish you very luck!!

[archer_737]

thanks for sharing and congratulations!

Have a safe flights

[boarderdw]

Mikypmi, were you called for a course date or just to update your info? I know several of us April guys were called yesterday, but only to update our info.

[Al Murdoch]

Boarderdw - that would seem to be a good sign.

[mikypmi]

Im starting the 17th of fbruary

Wish you the best of luck¡

[Rizla2002]

Any news? Emails?

[archer_737]

Strange we did not receive the update at the end of October. They've always been more or less on time for these matters.