Dubai – we want you to do more for less – it is what it is

[dubye]

We are now in the 3rd month of the year - March 2012, & yet no announcements of a pay rise…. If any, of course……. We have not forgotten the events of 2011, where SERCO initially told us that there’s no money in the coffers….. ohhh yeah then to backtrack & follow DA’s announcement of a pay rise. What has 2012 brought us? So far a big zero – no positives at all, just the famous roadshows organized for us on our off days!
Does management think we all are, ‘a happy motivated bunch’??? With the yearly announcements by DA, breaking record after record, traffic increasing by a minimum of 7%, we definitely deserve more. We have not received a decent pay rise for nearly 4 years now, one must not forget that in 2010 we got nothing, & in 2011 we got 4% (on BASIC Salary of course), so considering the previous year – 2010 where we got nothing, one could argue that the 2011 increase was a mere 2%. The inflation has shot up by a minimum of 7% (yearly), and as we are experiencing, Dubai has got much more expensive to live in, fuel shot up by approx. 30%, not to mention that some grocery shopping also shot up by 30-50%.
SERCO no longer cover all the mandatory costs, no longer pay for eGate Card, no longer fully reimburse residence visa renewals. Some of us had all schooling allowances fully covered, however this is no longer the case. Same as when one resigns, SERCO no longer cover full emigration costs when shipping all personal stuff back home. Also when someone decides to leave SERCO accommodation – PSV, one has to redecorate all the house at own expense and not at one’s choice of contractor performing the works.
Leave issues - this summer does not look good at all, and with the recent ‘Leave Ban’ communication, and with a minimum complement of 8+1, most of us will be ending with just 1.5 cycle in the Summer period. We are also being rostered to attend training on our off days, if it’s the case of maximum 2 days, it’s not so bad (considering the famous claw back days), but now it has got to the point that more of our off days are being messed around with!
DWC Move – a real master class move – unlike a much preferred Swiss precision tick tock move. It’s hard to find some optimism about the move, actually it is really depressing. Location is in the middle of nowhere, Radar Room – no windows, few restrooms, no canteen or food courts, poor staff car park, and the poor bus service – it is so poor that one wonders if this service really exists!
Then we have the new kid on the block – Dr.Jekyll & Mr.R (a.k.a Chunder-B), who’s intro. to us was full of ‘bs’ of Q&A (simply copy/pasted from previous Co.) together with a few ‘yellow cards’ along the way to some of our colleagues. He seems to excel at portraying 2 different characters at work and off duty!
We are all aware that SERCO staff has passed the 300 mark, of which 70% are HR…… & who exactly are HR? Basically the cost of everything and the value of nothing – in other words the ‘Cancer of the Company’!!!
What about the recently introduced new ‘FREE ZONE Contract’ that we now have to sign? It is certainly not identical to the original SERCO contract we signed when we joined the company. It is advisable that legal advice is sought, even though we are verbally told both contracts are identical.
Last year alone – 2011, we had around half a dozen resignations, I’m sure that this year – 2012 we will at least reach the same number of resignations as last year. Management seem oblivious to this, and although the number of resignations are not yet ‘high enough’, does not mean that people are happy here. As soon as there are openings, get ready for more resignations.
If management has noticed, we are struggling to attract ATCOs with decent CV’s from busy ATC Units, you wonder why? Let alone how many ATCOs we have seen struggle to validate or not validate at all!
Good work SERCO for appreciating our hard work. For sure you have achieved an all time record of low morale and zero motivation. It has really become hard to find some job satisfaction, management are simply doing their best to annoy us ATCOs as best as they are capable of!

[Not Long Now]

So I presume you have tendered your resignation and are now in the market for a new job. Good luck, I truly hope you find something. Nothing worse than someone who just whinges everything is dreadful but then does nothing about it.

[chevvron]

Hot sunny weather through the year; lower cost of living than UK; duty free shops.
I don't see what there is to moan about apart from voluntarily working for SERCO.(who only took over IAL to get their hands on its pension fund anyway)

[Red Dragon]

Dubye,

You sound like someone who must have all the answers. Why don't you just pop along to PM's office and point him in the right direction, tell him where you think he's going wrong. While you're at it you can tell him where the big pot of money is that you think exists. I'm glad you're here to make everything right.

Seriously though, you clearly have no idea how it all works. You're obviously one of the whiners who are very good at sitting on the sideline spouting off about what they think is wrong with the world but doing nothing to help fix it. Trust me - the people involved aren't stupid. They know what's needed but also understand the constraints and that's where you have a hole in your knowledge.

If you genuinely believe you're better off back home then perhaps you should start packing cos right now you are part of the problem, not the solution. Perhaps you'll be better off back home in the rain, paying a mortgage and driving a Kia.

Stop acting so precious and get involved.

[Black or White]

Those whinging about Dubai need to open their eyes and come over to Muscat ACC for a look. If you want bad conditions, crap salary with no benefits or gratuity and a complete disaster for management this is the place to be. As far as the Middle East goes you guys are in a far better position than most, so as previously mentioned, you could pack your bags.

[CEP]

Perhaps you'll be better off back home in the rain, paying a mortgage and driving a Kia

Hey, what's wrong with a Kia? Does fine in the sand here......;)

[Guy D'ageradar]

Hot sunny weather through the year;

Assuming you mean that in a positive sense, it's a bit like saying Alaska is "nice and cool" in the winter!

Methinks that someone has never spent a summer in a country where the average daily temp is in the high forties to low fifties (celsius) from May to September :E

R.D.

Stop acting so precious and get involved.


Steady on - you'll be asking him to "get on the bus" next! :}

[Chilli Monster]

I'm sure if Dubai is that bad you could always swap with some of the Baghdad crew - there are a few that would take you up on it.

Then you too could have the pleasure of seeing your family every 2-3 months rather than coming home to them at night. Living in a compound where the only place you go to outside of it is work, rather than the malls, cinemas etc of the emirates. Not to mention you probably live in a rather pleasant villa / apartment rather than, however much you try and talk it up, something which is nothing more than a glorified portacabin.

How many car bombs have you heard when you're out and about?

Feel free to PM me if you fancy a change of scenery - I quite fancy some of your "hardships" :)

[mhk77]

Everything is relative and it's amazing how fellow ATCOs suddenly get afflicted with short term memory loss when its ATCOs from different units who suddenly start 'whingeing'.

Not too long ago on these forums it was NATS ppl grumbling and moaning about pay. Suddenly they get 2 successive 5% pay rises and, lo and behold, they're happy. And then start getting twitchy with others.

As I said it's all relative and when there are deteriorations in a working environment, people are going to start talking about it. You could be earning £500,000 in the cushiest job with the best T&Cs going, but if managers then started fiddling with that, would you stay quiet? Of course not.

I believe ATCOs in Dubai have a legitimate claim for a fair pay rise given the fact that we regularly get emails saying how passenger numbers and movements increase significantly month on month, not just year on year. Surely if you're working almost 20%, if not more, traffic since the last proper payrise, you could be forgiven for expecting some kind of reward?

Personally, I'm very happy in Dubai but a fair payrise would go a long way here considering recent events, in particular recent treatment towards longstanding staff, plus the already mentioned traffic increases in the last 12-24 months. I genuinely can't complain about Serco as a company and I've been genuinely surprised at how different the reality is once you actually work for Serco, compared to the ludicrous propaganda peddled by NATS starting from day 1 at (what was) CATC.

Serco are far from perfect and things could deteriorate rapidly if recent managerial attitudes continue unchecked but to start having a pop at the OP for voicing genuine concerns seems somewhat unfair and, frankly, childish.

As ATCOs, should we not all be trying to stick together, regardless of where we work rather than sticking the boot in? We've seen what has happened with aviation in the West since the birth of the lo-co airlines and the way that eventually brings down Ts & Cs across the board, what makes you think ATC would be immune to that over time?

[ferris]

Extremely well said, MHK77.

Chilli Monster: How many of the things you mention did you NOT know about before going to Iraq? Feel free to keep telling us how bad it is...:zzz:

[Chilli Monster]

Ferris - it's all relative. I don't believe I mentioned the word "bad", just intimated that the gentleman might like to swap his life style and conditions. I don't think anyone comes here NOT knowing what to expect, but a year or just over is about the limit for most people. Some don't even do that long.

They do say a change is as good as a rest :)

[ferris]

You just don't get it. Then again, you are in Iraq......

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Chilli... What on earth possessed you to go there in the first place?

[Chilli Monster]

Yahoo - having never worked at TC, or NATS for that matter, sorry to disappoint.

HD - you have a PM.

[HB-UAE]

Firstly, let's not talk around the braai as our SA friends would say. I too am extremely upset with the leadership team and their lack of being able to stand behind ATCOs and their "needs". It seems as if piece by piece our perks are being chipped away and no prospect or plan is being considered for retaining staff.

Dubai and most of the Middle East for that matter is experiencing what most parts of the World is not. Extreme increase in traffic, strong inflation of prices and a work environment that when it comes to equipment, procedures etc. simply sucks! Therefore anyone that is not in this part of the World simply cannot point fingers at their fellow ATCOs over here, for standing up for their rights and extreme worries.

The lame excuse there is no money in the pot is old and simply not good enough. How can it be that Dubai Airports is proudly announcing on their website that they are spending a whopping 7.8 BILLION DOLLARS on airport expansions etc. to increase their capacity from 60 mio pax to 90 mio pax by 2018. Let's understand here that we therefore will be capable of moving 50% more pax (and they're the ones essentially paying our salaries). In other words there will be up to 50% more revenue for DA and we are expected to cope with this and just suck it up oh and wait, according to the roadshow no future benefits for us besides being proud of ourselves for being a part of this extraordinary development! Let's not forget that Emirates and DA are making extraordinary profits year after year and all their employees are getting increases and profit shares, why not us?

Let's put this into reality: A kid sets up a lemonade stand in front of his house and sells 1 liter per day. He pays his parent's $ 2.- per liter (supermarket cost) and is allowed to keep the other $3.- he makes. :ok: Now all of a sudden the local rugby, cricket, football and marathon teams come jogging by his house everyday and he starts selling 11 liters per day. Well it goes without saying that the little guy has loads more work to do to keep up with the demand, but to make matters worse his parents decide that he is still only allowed to keep $3.- a day and they will take the rest of the profits and stick it in their pockets. Which one of you out there would tell the kid to stop selling lemonade or at least try to renegotiate with his parents? Well the same goes for Dubai ATC...

One last thing. It was clearly mentioned at the roadshow that any ATCOs only interested in the financial benefits of working in Dubai are in the wrong place. Isn't the financial and lifestyle criteria exactly why most of us are here in the first place?

:ugh:

[HB-UAE]

Red Dragon,


Perhaps you'll be better off back home in the rain, paying a mortgage and driving a Kia


Let's get something straight here: as much as I know it pissed rain today in Dubai :rolleyes:, loads of us are paying mortgages (most of which are higher than property value!) oh and most of us are driving Kias, Toyotas, Hyundais and Hondas. Sorry mate...

[Fly Through]

The cycle swings around again.

Only time things will change is when people start leaving and the service is compromised. Has happened before and will happen again, just ask the old timers.

[Red Dragon]

Let's get something straight here: as much as I know it pissed rain today in Dubai , loads of us are paying mortgages (most of which are higher than property value!) oh and most of us are driving Kias, Toyotas, Hyundais and Hondas. Sorry mate...

Ok, fair point and perhaps it was a sweeping generalisation. I think the lemonade stand example is overly simplistic though. I think the relationship between Department of Finance, Dubai Airports and the Serco contract is somewhat more complex. Whilst I agree that we should be recognised for increased productivity it's not quite as easy to say - "you're making more so we should get a bigger slice". The economics of the contract, and the room for manouevre, are limited. Perhaps if DA de-link themselves from DoF there would be more scope for performance related bonuses.

The competition may advertise efficiencies, but that'll more than likely be achieved by centralising support services. The coalface ATCOs are unlikely to make any gains though.

[DESDI OR BUST]

Why won't you guys just call in sick....all day, no one comes to work....do ya really think y' all be let go??? Stop whinging on prune and do something about it. Ye are clearly not happy (and yere points are valid) so send a bloody message out. Even if everyone doesn't call sick (cause there will be a bunch who actually think they'll be fired for not turning up to work cause they're sick :uhoh:), you'll send a VERY clear message out to the people that matter!!!

Anyone who comes to the UAE, does so to improve something, be it financial or lifestyle or whatever else. If that gets a little difficult to do, people will leave. And that's fair enough. Unfortunately you don't have union assistance here as you may have at home, so it's up to you to do something about it. Stop pouring your heart out on Pprune and start acting.

The Approach service at DXB is getting better. Far better than many years ago. There's still some old wood that needs burning, but, hey, no system's perfect. It would be a shame to lose the momentum now.

Anyhow, best of luck.......:ok:

[TheFalcon]

The fact is and will remain so that unless people start leaving nothing will be done. And lets face it who is leaving this place? The Safo's have got no choice,the Kiwi's and the Scans have limited (if any) opportunities at all back home. The same more or less goes for the rest not to mention that some are stuck with mortgages which will take a lifetime to pay!

Then you get a roadshow which concludes with a not so subtle threat that your company will run you over if you don't stay in line and some stupid pr.ck who blurts out that things are not to standard and brings out an investigation on how things are going screwing his own mates in the process and you get the picture of how things look. Its not all doom and gloom of course, its still relatively well paid compared to other places but the general perception is that it's not enough. Morale is in the abyss and it will take more than a fancy roadshow to get it up again.:ugh:

I think that's what Dubye is trying to say and what others, including me feel. I also think that with the first good opportunity that comes along - even with a bit less pay - I will certainly be out of this dusthole!

[ferris]

Only time things will change is when people start leaving and the service is compromised. Has happened before and will happen again, just ask the old timers This is absolutely true. The sad thing is- it doesn't have to be like this. So why is it? :(
Every 5 years or so, things deteriorate to the point that loads of people leave. Serco suddenly 'finds' a bunch of money and jacks up the package. A whole lot more people arrive. Slowly, things deteriorate. Rinse, repeat.
The problem with this scenario is that you are talking about people's lives. People have to move countries, not just retrain in a new job. It's a massive impost (to either come to the ME or leave it).
Instead of steady increases that keep up with cost of living and events in the world (currency movements, state of the job market, etc.), they seem intent on repeating this scrimp, scrimp, scrimp, piss everybody off, many leave, jack the package up and re-hire scenario over and over, with the ensuing turbulence to controllers (and their families) lives.
It makes you scratch your head. Is it lack of corporate memory, incompetence, or design?

[DesertRatATC]

Until our management team realize you need your staff onside, things ain't gonna be too pretty here for a while.

So far they seem hell bent on pi**ing people off.

Our new manager's reputation preceded him long before his first day in his job and if what our brit-colleagues have been told by their buddies back home is even half-true (and so far it seems to be) then things ain't going to improve. Times have changed and you need man-management skills as well as management skills to be successful, something that appears to be massively lacking at the moment.....

As an afterthought, I wonder how much money was blown on there little roadshows.......... :ugh:

[Vercingetorix]

Ferris
Market economy rules with Serco. They will pay the going rate that is sufficient to attracts newbies. They are not particularly interested in in the long term nor the infrastructure that equates to ICAO compliance.
Correct in that you are talking about people's lives but as the NOTSO Great Dane used to say we don't hire the wives and children!
You come to the Middle East with Serco on a 3 months notice contract. Familiar to those from the USA but less so to those from Europe.
The older ATCOs that work with Serco they view as a liability because they cost more and wish that could boot them out and hire newbieas at a cheaper rate thereby enhancing their profit margin. They really don't care how good you are at your job 'cos they can hire a newbie at half the cost.
If you want loyalty, buy a dog as the ex DANS UAE used to say.

Good luck:ok:

[throw a dyce]

It's called working for Serco.Just go to work,don't screw up,go home,have a beer,count your $$.
When the $$££ or BS bucket is full you leave.The reason you are there is the Abduls can't do ATC for themselves.:ok:

[Vercingetorix]

throw a dyce

Not quite correct there as at the UAE ACC many of the locals & Omanis are better than the expats. Kudos to the locals & the Omanis, you know you you are.:cool:

[Guy D'ageradar]

TAD and Verci,

We all know that there are some locals who actually have a work ethic and some interest in doing their jobs well. Some of them are also competent ATCOs.

As we also know, the reverse is true - there are those whose work ethic consists of instructing aircraft (paticularly if they wish to tow) to standby and/or to call back when their replacement's due (I kid you not) and who are a long way from being competent. We all know who they are.

In the past, this baggage was carried under the umbrella of "keeping the customer happy" by appearing to have an expanding number of local controllers. These days though, we can ill afford to do so.

The time has undoubtedly arrived where someone in the standards dept. needs to grow a pair and say "enough is enough". The constantly increasing traffic volume and complexity mean that the rest of us have much less time available to clean up the ensuing mess and are getting particularly fed up at so doing.

Here's hoping it happens BEFORE there's an accident, rather than as a result of......

[HB-UAE]

Market economy rules with Serco. They will pay the going rate that is sufficient to attracts newbies. They are not particularly interested in in the long term nor the infrastructure that equates to ICAO compliance.
Correct in that you are talking about people's lives but as the NOTSO Great Dane used to say we don't hire the wives and children!
You come to the Middle East with Serco on a 3 months notice contract. Familiar to those from the USA but less so to those from Europe.
The older ATCOs that work with Serco they view as a liability because they cost more and wish that could boot them out and hire newbieas at a cheaper rate thereby enhancing their profit margin. They really don't care how good you are at your job 'cos they can hire a newbie at half the cost.
If you want loyalty, buy a dog as the ex DANS UAE used to say.

Vercingetorix
You are basically 100% correct however the road the leadership team is going down seems to be future, planning and paving the road into the next 2 decades! For this you simply need people to stay. You need the long termers if it's costly or not. With the amount of projects and ideas they currently have, they'd be serious brain dead if they saw it otherwise therefore retention of staff is the ABC of this company. I know it seems awkward for this region and company, but it's the reality. Now to the big problem. To retain the staff you need to bring dollars. Dollars in the form of pensions, tri-yearly payouts, far higher gratuity, whatever it may be. That is the only way forward and once people start walking, the ship will sink and I can imagine just like the Costa Concordia, the leadership team and its captain will be the first to start running...

[Vercingetorix]

HB-UAE

Re my earlier post I forgot to add that Serco won't look at a contract unless they are guaranteed a 20% profit margin. That is their main motivation and not that of long term retention of staff for the greater good of the operation.

Dollars in the form of pensions, tri-yearly payouts, far higher gratuity, whatever it may be would be a better approach but the Serco approach reminds me of the song "Whatever Gets You Thru the Night" written by John Lennon.:(

[Tower Ranger]

Perhaps Dylan`s "The Times They Are A`Changing" may be more appropriate?

[Guy D'ageradar]

With all this talk of buses, etc, I would have said Talking Heads' "Road to nowhere". :E

[Vercingetorix]

Tower & Guy, excellent choices but Dylan's "Blowing in the wind" comes to mind.
I wish you all the luck in the world.

Cheers :ok:

[Theflashingblade]

The LT must have Jack Sparrows compass... Onward to worlds end!:rolleyes:

[LoserGill]

So... are they hiring? Seems like some original contracts are close to running out here.

[TRACKBALL]

Air Traffic Controller Jobs, Dubai - airtrafficcontrollerjobsdubai.com (http://airtrafficcontrollerjobsdubai.com/)

[Farrell]

The reason you are there is the Abduls can't do ATC for themselves.

That's just not true.
I am with Vercingetorix......we have some brilliant local controllers here in Oman who have to deal with a lot of traffic, do it very well, and yet have to deal with the issue of sitting next to expats who are getting three times the salary for the same job.

Farrell

[ferris]

Sort of begs the question, then, Farrell....why have expats on three times the salary? Why have expats at all?

[LoserGill]

Trackball,
Thanks for the link, however that expired end of March and it was for UAE nationals only.

[Mr. Ron]

There is some philosophy here to consider.
Dubai Airports makes money by passengers and aircraft going through their airport and in the former case spending as much as possible, the latter is a fixed charge of course. In order to get a large passenger throughput it is necessary to get as many aircraft in and out as possible and maybe just delay the outgoing passengers long enough to part with a little additional cash. The ATS organisation is a financial overhead for Dubai Airport Authority and investment in the DWC ATC must clearly be seen as an investment into better technology to achieve the same function. From their eyes the new technology must reduce (or is intended to reduce) the ATC man hours per aircraft movement otherwise there is little point in the investment. From this stand point it is clear to see that regular (automatic) pay rises need to be justified by factors better than increase traffic handling.
Inflation can be mitigated by the readiness of new expats to replace old and local ATCOs will eventually attain sufficient transferrable skills to gradually replace expats from the bottom upwards (no pun intended).
When viewed from a world wide prospective the SERCO package for ATS is extraordinarily attractive given the working environment, and to support this, just look at the number of ATS staff who are making a lifetime commitment to SERCO for the pension and relative easy time.

[TheFalcon]

just look at the number of ATS staff who are making a lifetime commitment to SERCO for the pension and relative easy time

Where? Who? What pension? What easy life?? Are you P.R. for Serco? I'm sure there are worse off but your posting is exactly what they told us at the Roadshow-wer you there by any chance ??? hmmmm Philosophy indeed.

[CEP]

Aha!!! At least we know who they've hired to drive the bus!!!! Mr. Ron!

What on earth is a pension? From SERCO? Haha!

[TRACKBALL]

GCAA appeals for Emirati trainee controllers | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine (http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2012/04/gcaa-appeals-for-emirati-trainee-controllers/)

[Vercingetorix]

TRACKBALL

GCAA appeals for Emirati trainee controllers | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine

Interesting read. The problem is that the both the catchment area (Emiratis) and recruitment pool (suitably qualified Emiratis) are quite limited. i.e. How do you entice a 20+ yr old Emirati into a job that offers anti social, non family hours and that also requires a fair amount of hard work especially when the average intake to the student pool has approximately 3,000,000 Dhs in his current account! Plenty of Omanis willing to take the plunge but they are not Emiratis. I seriously doubt that the GCAA will ever be able to recruit enough Emiratis to ever completely staff the ACC, especially when one considers the generous retirement packages available to locals.
The GCAA in its ANS/ATM Dept is a better place now since the demise of the "Gruesome Twosome" but the HR Dept is not a help to meaningful recruitment.

Regards to AAJ aka Executive Director.

Cheers:ok:

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for tea.

[Tower Ranger]

However, back in the real world, applications for the Emiratee promotions far outstrip the number of positions available.

Verci at some point you are going to have to accept that you`ve been away from this part of the world for just a little too long.
Did you ever work at DXB?

[Vercingetorix]

Tower Ranger
As per the article I was referring to GCAA recruiting not Dubai.
I would posit the theory that both GCAA and Dubai exist in an alternate Universe.

To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for tea (ref Albert Einstein) in the real world.

Cheers, me 'ole china:ok:

[LoserGill]

You'd think that with all the negative aspects mentioned there would be vacancies by the camel load but alas, nothing to that effect.
I guess money soothes.

[mhk77]

You'd think that with all the negative aspects mentioned there would be vacancies by the camel load but alas, nothing to that effect.
I guess money soothes.

Or maybe the money isn't as much as 'outsiders' think to enable people to just quit without another job to go to..................?

[Over and over]

I'm interested to know what the (general) feeling on the new facility at Jebel Ali?

[Short Approach?]

I'm interested to know what the (general) feeling on the new facility at Jebel Ali?

I think it great! And generally the feeling I get from everyone is appreciation for the easy access, decent rest-facilities, plenty of space, canteen and so on.

Now we just need to transition on to our new equipment, and get three RANBI-gates. Good times indeed.

[Plazbot]

I hear the unofficial official line is late July, 2 Ranbi gates as well as independant DB and SJ gates inbound. Certainly a great move for all concerned.

[BlueSkye]

I hear the unofficial official line is late July, 2 Ranbi gates as well as independant DB and SJ gates inbound. Certainly a great move for all concerned.

Assuming Bahrain approves the three RANBI airways.

Quoted the wrong person, meant to quote Short Approach on the 3 airways. Two might be possible but without Bahrain's approval you will never have 3.

[LazyLLz]

Assuming Bahrain approves the three RANBI airways.

Not if UAE can't agree to use "ZINGU"

[BlueSkye]

SINGU is a different subject altogether. Three seperate RNAV1 airways coming out of DB would necessitate three RNAV1 airways into Bahrain. No point in having three outbound routes that congregate at one point again. Add the overflyers and Abu Dhabi and the whole thing becomes a mess. Whether the bottleneck is caused by Bahrain or UAE is a moot point. There is a bottleneck, period.

If DB can get three outbound routes then surely AA can get two as well. There simply isn't enough real estate to accomodate all these routes. Activate OMD22 and that's the end of that fairy tale.

[rowdyyates]

Well as an ATCO I`ve worked for some pretty poor outfits, but SERCO takes the buscuit.

[Tin-Bullet]

@Short Approach?

Quote:[[[I'm interested to know what the (general) feeling on the new facility at Jebel Ali?]]]

I think it great! And generally the feeling I get from everyone is appreciation for the easy access, decent rest-facilities, plenty of space, canteen and so on.

Now we just need to transition on to our new equipment, and get three RANBI-gates. Good times indeed.

U been eating too much bread with Danish blue cheese before your _ _ _ _ .....?????

[Vercingetorix]

Tower Ranger
Did you ever work at DXB?

Last time I was Dubai was as Chairman of an examination board concerning locals doing their first aerodrome ATC Rating.

Check my cv, should you wish!

Cheers

To infinitiy and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint.

Cheers:ok:

[ferris]

Still unable to give a straight answer, attempting to deceive by telling half -truths.

Same old Verci.

I once traveled thru Dubai airport, and I was working at the time, so does that mean I worked Dubai approach as an air traffic controller? :rolleyes:

[Plazbot]

Who gives a toss. Dubai has doubled movements since either of you worked here. Unfortunately for ferris he still catches the **** we throw with less resources.

Speaking of pints, I miss the days on course on the gas Costanza. ;)

[DirtyPierre]

Hey Plaz. check your PMs.

DP

[TRACKBALL]

How many controllers work at the ACC?

Are they all expats?

[Plazbot]

About 100. Two thirds Expat.

[Vercingetorix]

Ferris

I once traveled thru Dubai airport

Not something you do too often anymore since your hasty leaving of the UAE.

:cool:

[FWA NATCA]

I've interviewed several times with Serco and been told that I'm highly qualified, but each time I'm told at the end of the interview, "oh you're over 50, we can't hire you."

I have 25 years as an FAA tower and radar approach controller at busy airports, and I've been working the past 3 years since I retired in Afghanistan at the busiest single runway airbase in the world (average over 1000 operations per day), but I'm too old for Serco?

Working within combat zones be it Iraq or Afghanistan isn't all that great, so you can imagine we would readily accept a job in the UAE. Though the money is good, "Quality of life is more important".

[TRACKBALL]

"The GCAA has heavily invested in a full and integrated Nationalisation Program since 1998 and are actively recruiting National cadets to fill positions on the tough training course presented at the Training School at the Shaikh Zayed Air Navigation Centre in Abu Dhabi. An Air Traffic Control Awareness campaign was initiated by the Shaikh Zayed Air Navigation Centre in 2011."

What's the odds this spells the end for expat controllers in the UAE?

[TheFalcon]

The day the nationalisation program really kicks in and the expats are no longer required I will have been pushing daisies for a hundred years or so.:O