G-GSSC - Status

[Scousespotter]

Does anybody know what is going to happen to GSS 744 G-GSSC?

The other 2 744s leased by GSS have been returned to Atlas, SSC spent a month or two before Xmas 2011 flying some African rtes for EK, she the returned to MSE where she was held in 'storage' before returning to DXB & EK once again in mid Jan 12 after the S America plan fell through.

I see she conducted a very short leg from DXB to DWC on 25 Jan 12 as UAE4868. She does not appear to have moved since.

Any ideas?

Cheers

[flite idol]

Maintainance check and re-reg as N476GT in Feb. Back to Atlas Air thereafter.

[Flightmech]

C Check at Haeco HKG in Feb then??????

Flite idol, your source?

G-GSSB went back to Atlas as N475MC followed by G-GSSA as N476MC and and for some reason they did not take back their original Atlas registrations of N491MC & N495MC respectively. Why would G-GSSC be N476GT?

Edit to above. N495MC is now a Cessna 182 in Arkansas hence the new reg!

[flite idol]

The source was Atlas management.......so not reliable......seriously!:hmm:

[Flightmech]

Fair enough! :)

[WhaleDriver]

I believe the number is actually going to be N477MC. That from the VP of Ops.

[flite idol]

Fair enough!:bored:

[William A Bong]

Recently upgraded Captains have been contacted to inform them that as SC is going back to Atlas they will have to return to the right hand seat. As if moral was not low enough already.

William.

[Scousespotter]

Many thanks for all your inputs.

Presumably the reason why she has been moved to MSE & is that its a cheaper place to park?

So will she rte back to DXB (& fly for EK, BAW, GSS or even GTI) with cargo to HKG, or more simply from where she is parked (MSE) empty?

Sorry for all the questions.

[Fr8Dog]

GSSC is now in Atlas colors with an Atlas N number. :D

[zeddb]

Thank you Fr8dog. Dancing gleefully on the grave of those on whom fortune has kicked in the nads is considered bad form in my world.

I really hope that they have manged to fix the pervasive smell of horse p*ss that perfumes your latest acquisition.

I further invite you to meditate on the concept of schadenfreude. Look it up in the dictionary sometime.

[Flightmech]

Fr8Dog a little premature with his poor-taste sarcasm. It maybe going to Atlas colurs and N-reg but last I heard it was still sitting in DWC as G-GSSC and not getting to HKG til Wednesday:D

[Fr8Dog]

Thank you Fr8dog. Dancing gleefully on the grave of those on whom fortune has kicked in the nads is considered bad form in my world.

I really hope that they have manged to fix the pervasive smell of horse p*ss that perfumes your latest acquisition.

I further invite you to meditate on the concept of schadenfreude. Look it up in the dictionary sometime.

Was not at all meant in anyway other than another airframe at Atlas. Never a good thing when someone looses a job. By the way, furlough letter went out to all the engineers here today @ 1658 EST so believe me all is not rosy here either. And the slot at HEICO is all set for the paint and registration change.
You do know that these were Atlas aircraft leased to GSS right?

[zeddb]

You do know that these were Atlas aircraft leased to GSS right?

Indeed. And GSS is 49% owned by Atlas. The airframe is not a net gain, just a redeployment from one cost centre to another.

Which will I am sure be of no comfort whatsoever to the guys who have either had contracts terminated or lost their hard won commands.

We have quite enough of that with BA pilots thinking they have a god given right to a slice of everything in UK aviation. Really don't need it from our supposed "colleagues" as well.

Best wishes to your furloughed engineers. Been there done that. Hope they get fixed up soon.

[RandomPerson8008]

I don't understand, wasn't the plan all along to keep GSS at 3 airframes? Why would they upgrade pilots at GSS based on their continued operation of GSS-C when the presumed plan from the get go was to return the three GSS -400's to Atlas after they had been replaced by three -8's (which in turn would replace classics at Atlas)? Had you fellows at GSS been given the impression that you were going to keep GSS-C indefinitely? Or are the staffing downgrades a reflection of decreases in your -8 flying as well?

[zeddb]

There was always the intention to keep at least one of the 400's providing that work could be found. There was a potential contract but it was scuppered by last minute problems. The ability to take on a contract depends on having the resources in place so the upgrades were done in good faith and some were temporary in any case. Still not very nice to put in all that effort and then have it snatched away, but no one was misled. It is not the fault of GSS that the economy is in a bucket and that there are few contracts to be had.

Should the world economic situation improve then expansion will be back on the cards. The outlook for the next year or two is rather flat. Beyond that is anyone's guess. During that period, a significant percentage of the pilot force will retire so there will be some movement whatever happens.

Anyone with the ability to make accurate predictions beyond next month in this game must be wired in to some higher source than us mortals.

[Caravelle III]

@zeddb

quote:

We have quite enough of that with BA pilots thinking they have a god given right to a slice of everything in UK aviation. Really don't need it from our supposed "colleagues" as well. unquote.

No, I guess it's only Americans like Atlas who are entiteled to a slice of everything in world aviation. Let's only suggest an ACMI by a non-US operator for a US carrier.:ugh:

[CargoOne]

Let's only suggest an ACMI by a non-US operator for a US carrier

Was true until last year. Now possible. Euroatlantic has got a 767 wet lease approved in US in 2011.

[zerograv]

Actually before 2011! The aircraft started ACMI flying around July 2010 (sorry but can't remember the exact date).

One question though. The Headquarters are in Miami, but is Lan Cargo a "pure" US carrier?

Regards,
Zero

[despegue]

When will Europe and its Airline stop this Yankee invasion?!
American carriers are taking jobs and contract away on the European market, not only flying to the USA but also intra-EU.
This is absolutely disgusting and a sign of the very weak EU who rather gets its employees and airlines raped by the Yanks than stand up and stop this nonsence!

FedEx, UPS etc. GO HOME OR HIRE EU PILOTS!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[RandomPerson8008]

Is the EU a sovereign nation? Until it is, I don't think there is much room to complain, no offense.

[hardcase]

i agree, lots of european TP airlines are finding fedex 757's are now doing their european routes with plenty more to come. Why is this allowed?? European pilots losing jobs, airlines losing contracts, enough is enough!!!!!

[3pointlanding]

A point of order is needed. The freight that FedEx flies is not freight from nor to one European country to another. All the freight either originated in the U.S. or is destined to the U.S. In addition, a lot of the frieght is U.S. mail (which will restrict who carries it). Additionally, ALL of the ground work is done by Europeans vendors as well as the cargo loading etc. Only the flight crews are American.

[Flightmech]

exactamundo,

FedEx do not pick up freight from one EU country and deliver it directly to another EU country. All freight either origins in the US or is heading there. There are a few US management positions in the EU for ground ops but 95%+ are European employees plus the feeder network gives work to ACL, Swiftair and others.

In addition much of the Line maintenance is contracted out to European vendors as is the 757/Airbus Base maintenance.

The EU is not a sovereign nation but carry on beating the same drum regardless.

[free at last]

In the last 45 years of flying I have seen more jobs being exported by people from Europe , taking jobs away from US pilots. So please get a reality check!!! If you want to make a decent PAY, don't wh...re you'r self for The intro jobs with so called up scale pay for training. In the USA not going on . It is time we quite fighting each other and start making more than you'r local trash hauler. Team work MY friend. That what brings results.:)

[Flightmech]

Amazing how a simple question about the status of one aircraft from one operator has turned into a FedEx (and others) bashing thread:ugh:

[free at last]

Because all three GSS aircraft where first operated by Atlas pilots for years from what we all know. :O

[Flightmech]

Actually wasn't it only one (N495MC) operated by Atlas before GSS was formed? Painted in BA "Chelsea Rose" colours?

[Ballymoss]

all three GSS aircraft where first operated by Atlas pilots for years from what we all know

And some of those Atlas pilots were Brit's while GSS was an embryo:rolleyes:

Don't understand the fuss.

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[Popgun]

Because all three GSS aircraft where first operated by Atlas pilots for years from what we all know

Ownership of the aircraft is not relevant.

At the end of the day, it is UK cargo flown for British Airways. UK (or European) pilots have a more than reasonable expectation of being able to fly it.

Just as Qantas pilots have a reasonable expectation that Aussie pilots should be flying Aussie freight handled by Qantas.

Atlas Air and its American pilots make a significant living out of flying foreign freight. Reciprocal opportunities are extremely hard to find...

PG

[zeddb]

Gentlemen;

"A340yumyum"

Instant idiot. Just add water.

Do not feed.

[zeddb]

A340

Were you turned down as a command secondee perchance? If you are considering it, I wouldn't bother. People with your attitude are spotted and sent home with great speed and little ceremony.

[flite idol]

Just as Qantas pilots have a reasonable expectation that Aussie pilots should be flying Aussie freight handled by Qantas.


Qantas pilots and cabin crew should fly Qantas passengers, not Jetstar. Ownership of the freight is not relevant. Ownership of the passenger is not relevant.:ugh:

[zeddb]

My dear A340,

If you are claiming to be a seconded captain, then I honestly don't believe you. All the seconded skippers are thoroughly nice guys and I have flown with most if not all of them. Furthermore, they are carefully screened before being accepted, not least to avoid pissing off the locals.

Someone with an attitude like you display wouldn't make it past the front door.

I notice that you have removed your second offensive post where you recommended that one of your elders and betters retire. That shows at least some sense of propriety.

If I am mistaken then we will surely meet in the not too distant future. That should be interesting.

[747newguy]

N493MC as well, but I do recall only 2 in BA colors.

[stilton]

'First of all, this is not entirely true and will even be less once some of the TP routes will be taken over by jets. In any case, they still fly A to B in European territory. This is what matters and this is something that EU carriers can't do in the US. Additionally, you have American carriers, ABX and ATI, flying on DHL's European network, their freight does not origins from the US.

I can see why it is still allowed as these flights are not "domestic". However it would be nice to see the EU protects their own market, the same way the US does it'



How can you be taken seriously Kim when you are Dead


I didn't even know you were il

[cedgz]

funny funny funny

Fedex operates a lot of flights from eu to eu, eu to asia and eu to us
pilots are american(most of them are nice) and the rest of the workforce is local
So yes pilots are US but the rest is local and there are way more others than pilots to get the freight from A to B
Are you the guy that will save something like 50+ pilots(roughly counted for the eu to eu network) and/or want to have +/- 10.000 workers approx jobless(if fx would quit europe)? I hope is won't be you because a lot of people will :mad: you!
Mr pro EU that likes to complain a lot about everything without any good solution(kicking foreigners out is not a good one). Have a look at yourself and around you, a try to advance

[Dave Gittins]

According to G-INFO, G-GSSC was de-registered on 8 Feb 2012 and transferred to the USA.