UK military to beef up Olympic security

[Kreuger flap]

Well what a surprise.................................

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Ministers have insisted that using such a large military deployment will not impact on operations elsewhere and organisers say it is prudent to use a mix of suppliers to provide security. They have likened the role of the military to that at Wimbledon, where they wear ceremonial dress and add to the sense of occasion.

This really should read.

Ministers have insisted that using such a large military deployment will not impact on operations elsewhere, but will fcuk over those hoping to have leave and organisers say it is prudent to use a mix of suppliers to provide security especially when we can use easy targets such as the military who will do as they are told. They have likened the role of the military to that at Wimbledon, where they wear ceremonial dress and add to the sense of occasion but at the Olympics they will be required to wear CS95 and carry weapons as a deterrent to the terrorists who want to disrupt the games. Oh and when you have finished guarding the games you are fired as we don't want you any more. Were a bit short of money don't you know, but don't worry the bill for the Games just keeps on going up. Austerity who needs it.

[APG63]

Well, KF, if you can't afford to pay to have something done, use the military and charge the bill to the MoD. Then it's free. And they save a fortune on the resettlement, because we can't do resettlement while we're gurding the Russian Gymnastic Team in London. Everyone's a winner.

Nice translation by the way.

[cornish-stormrider]

You Cynical B*****d's

You are correct in your translations,

I'd do security for the Jockstrappers - I'll need an extra fat boy size combats, some nice boots and a big gun

[Bladdered]

I'm free, but only for the ladies beach volleyball ...........

[cornish-stormrider]

Or are you now being served??:E

[airborne_artist]

Ministers have insisted that using such a large military deployment will not impact on operations elsewhere, but will fcuk over those hoping to have leave and organisers say it is prudent to use a mix of suppliers to provide security especially when we can use easy targets such as the military who will do as they are told. They have likened the role of the military to that at Wimbledon, where they wear ceremonial dress and add to the sense of occasion but at the Olympics they will be required to wear CS95 and carry weapons as a deterrent to the terrorists who want to disrupt the games. Oh and when you have finished guarding the games you are fired as we don't want you any more. Were a bit short of money don't you know, but don't worry the bill for the Games just keeps on going up. Austerity who needs it. However, following earlier disposals of central London barracks, the troops will spend three hours each way being bussed in from tented encampments in East Anglia and the Midlands. Their twelve hours on duty will not include the six hours travel needed, so they will return to their base just after they need to get up and queue for the shower in order to be ready for a parade two hours before the buses leave for their next duty.

Contracts have already been placed for the packed lunches needed, and to save costs the sandwiches will be made in March and put into a cold-store until needed in August.

[Courtney Mil]

I love it! We should form a think tank, specializing in translating government and military press releases into English.

[Biggus]

In terms of the ceremonial side of participation, I believe they are currently trawling for volunteers.

Of course, when they don't get enough "volunteers".... :{

[NigelOnDraft]

Maybe just put in a Leave application for the period ;) And see if it has already been blocked off :=

NoD

[Green Flash]

Just announced that Bulwark and Ocean to be used as floating barracks!

[MrBernoulli]

One of the prime reasons is that Service personnel don't get overtime pay ..... but the plods do. Consequently, it is much cheaper to 'draft' in Service folk and piss them about. Shortly after the Olympics I'm sure one of two things will happen - some of those Service personnel will be off to a far-flung lands to scratch for scorpions in the sand, and the rest will be made redundant.

As for the sudden doubling of the Olympic security budget? Well, most of that will be given to the consultants who suggested using the military to boost security personnel numbers, of course. :rolleyes:

[Courtney Mil]

On the Radio News this afternoon... "we'll have fighter jets and surface to air missiles".

Hang on, what SAMs? Or do we bring in Patriot because only the US Army could ever invent the ROE to do anything. So we'll have our Typhoons and US Patriot. Make sure the Mode 4 works!

Courtney

[Phoney Tony]

I hope we will receive full training and a full hazard and risk assessment is carried out to ensure we are fully prepare for the task. If not who is responsible?

Where do we fit into plan?

Will we be wearing riot kit, bearing arms etc, if required, or are we to be employed as a cheap alternate to G4 checking tickets and wiping the ar**ses of the great unwashed or something in between. What ever the answer is I suspect
the G4 (or who ever is contracted to do the security) and civvy police will be on overtime and be living in better accommodation than us. The MoD will be charging for our services so where is the welfare package for us.

I suspect post tranche 2 and new pension announcement, being used as a last minute fix for a problem caused by yet another UK senior management cock up will be the last straw for many.

[Kreuger flap]

I hope we will receive full training

You will have to complete a waste of time package on the DLP, print off your certificate and hand it off to your adj.

[MAINJAFAD]

On the Radio News this afternoon... "we'll have fighter jets and surface to air missiles".

Hang on, what SAMs? Or do we bring in Patriot because only the US Army could ever invent the ROE to do anything. So we'll have our Typhoons and US Patriot. Make sure the Mode 4 works!

Courtney

Look up the last thread about this and you will see the Dark Blue and Brown correctly state that the British Armed Forces do in fact have Surface to Air Guided Weapons, without getting anything off the forces of another nation. Ok with the exception of the remaining Sea Darts, they have as much chance of stopping an airliner as that of a firework!!

[Chicken Leg]

This is not news. We've known for at least 2 years that the MOD will provide much of the security. In fact, anyone with half a ounce of intelligence would have expected that at exactly the same time as the IOC announced 'London' in 2005.

[Fareastdriver]

large military deployment

Some 75,000 PLA involved in the Beijing Olympics. From the drummers in the opening ceremoney to all aspects of security both on land and in the air.

[cazatou]

I would think that HMG were concentrating on the deployment of 21 and 23 SAS as back up to the Regular Army UnIts.

[Could be the last?]

Thought 21 had been given the chop?

[cazatou]

If you are right then it is yet another disaster for HMG'S Armed Forces;

[MATELO]

Typhoons to be based at Northolt... :ok:


Gonna be funny when they take off "q" style on runway 07

Come to think of it.... so will the 25 take off.

Ear plugs for all residents. :eek:

[BEagle]

Just how much money is the nation, bankrupted by the policies of Bliar, Brown and the rest of nuLabor's liars, pi$$ing down the sink so that a few sweaty jockstrapping oafs can run, jump, splash about and throw things? All so a few politicians can preen themselves.

Utter b£oody nonsense and very far from the Olympic ideal. Makes the 1936 Berlin Olympics look like a vicarage tea party....

[airborne_artist]

Thought 21 had been given the chop?

That would be awkward, since 21 is the parent regt to 22. It hasn't happened.

[500N]

BEagle

What is happening to London / UK is just what happened to Sydney.

As soon as the Olympic committee said "the best games ever", everyone bar the workers were off, gone, never to be seen again.

And because so much time, effort, planning et al were put into the 2000 Olympics, no one had done any other State planning for quite a few years so all of a sudden, everything stopped, no infrastructure plans, building and the State suffered a severe down turn. And of course they ended up with a few White Elephant Stadiums.

Not saying london will suffer as much but I reckon you will have a hang over of some sort.

[Courtney Mil]

BEagle and 500N,

Exactly what Mrs C and I were saying this evening. Sure we could spend all that money on something better for our future.

Shall we do immigration, HS2 and Badger culling next? ;)

[airborne_artist]

My Antipodean chums tell me they've never seen as much tumbleweed as blows around the Olympic facilities, all of which were supposed to be in regular use after the event.

For two weeks Sydney looked spectacular, and now they are paying for it. The Greeks are if anything paying even more.

[500N]

The Legacy that is left after the Olympics is not one I would want and has tainted my view after watching so many countries spend billions to win it and then suffer.


Tumbleweed ? I like that.

We have a trade show there every 2 years, the place is deserted even with all the cars / people that come to our show. It is a great white concrete and asphalt elephant, used occasionally for sports games and trade shows.

[ACW599]

>Just how much money is the nation, bankrupted by the policies of Bliar, Brown and the rest of nuLabor's liars, pi$$ing down the sink so that a few sweaty jockstrapping oafs can run, jump, splash about and throw things? All so a few politicians can preen themselves.<

Beautifully put. Says it all. :D

[Pontius Navigator]

I understand that those of the 13 500 involved will really welcome the opportunity to be involved in the event, especially the security ones who may even get to see some games.

Well that's what the man on the box said.

[Willard Whyte]

I trust my terminal, annual and resettlement leave will remain intact.

If not, I may start taking pot shots at sweaty gym queens.

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

I trust my terminal, annual and resettlement leave will remain intact.

If not, I may start taking pot shots at sweaty gym queens.

Likewise, mid 2012 when I hand in my 1250 so fingers crossed will miss this next exciting installment :ok:

[APG63]

I'm looking forward to reading the ROE for our armed guards. Imagine three scenarios:

One of us sees someone in the crowd and have reason to believe he's carrying a bomb. We open fire and kill an innocent.

One of us sees someone carrying a weapon, but can't be sure so don't open fire. The individual than shoots into the crowd killing three women and a child before we can drop him.

One of us sees somneone about to open fire with a real weapon and drop him before he's harmed anyone.

You tell me the outcome of those three situations...

[TurbineTooHot]

F****d either way mate.

:(

[Courtney Mil]

Couldn't have put it better myself!

[StopStart]

I'm looking forward to reading the ROE for our armed guards. Imagine three scenarios:
One of us sees someone in the crowd and have reason to believe he's carrying a bomb. We open fire and kill an innocent.

One of us sees someone carrying a weapon, but can't be sure so don't open fire. The individual than shoots into the crowd killing three women and a child before we can drop him.

One of us sees .... etc etc

Don't worry, no one is going to be given a gun and plonked in the middle of London. :hmm: You'd have to be a bit Geoff Mental to even think that was an option.....

The issue here is that it'll be a tedious ball ache for those that get dicked with it and not that SAC Scroggins is going to be playing Bodie & Doyle round the East End of London :rolleyes:

[APG63]

Surely you're not suggesting they're only using the military to be free ticket collectors, then? You mean using the troops to do for free what security firms would charge handsomely for? You mean we're just digging the government out of another hole?

OMG! I wanted to be Bodie!

[Courtney Mil]

No, APG may be right. From the Police Professional Website:

Up to 13,500 military personnel will be on duty in London and across the country during next year’s Olympics, more than the 9,500 deployed in Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence announced yesterday (December 15).

During the 17-day period of the Games 7,500 will provide security at the 150 venues, while HMS Ocean will be based at Greenwich and HMS Bulwark in Weymouth Bay.

Around 5,000 servicemen and women with specialist capabilities including bomb disposal and dog teams will provide support to the police and other civil authorities, in addition to a 1,000-strong unarmed contingency force ready for deployment in case of an “Olympics-related civil emergency”. There will also be 1,000 personnel providing logistical support.

So,
1,000 is the contingency force. The Red Cross tent, in other words.
5,000 are the plods and dogs and IED disposal.
7,500 will provide Security. What do they do if they don't have guns? Bravely stand in front of the crowds and take the bullet for some sweaty jock-strapper? Or is it back to pick helves?

[StopStart]

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[mmitch]

Perhaps some of you guys could drive the Underground too.
But don't expect the £50,000 p.a they will be getting. :cool:
mmitch.

[Chidken Sangwich]

Just how much money is the nation, bankrupted by the policies of Bliar, Brown and the rest of nuLabor's liars, pi$$ing down the sink so that a few sweaty jockstrapping oafs can run, jump, splash about and throw things? All so a few politicians can preen themselves.

According to Newsnight earlier this week, security for this pathetic event will now cost the British tax payer £550m! When quizzed as to why this had jumped from the original budget of £282m, the said minister said that the initial estimate was calculated by QUOTE: "sticking a finger in the air as we had no way of calculating it".

It makes my blood boil. Just what is the point in hosting an event like this when you can NEVER recover this amount of money regardless of how many actually attend.

There should be an 'Olympic Surcharge Tax' on all tickets that are sold so as to recover some of the costs.

[airborne_artist]

The Underground drivers are getting up to £1,200 for working during the Olympics:

"Tube drivers will get a cash bonus of up to £1,200 for working during the Olympic Games, it was revealed today (http://www.pprune.org/Tube%20drivers%20will%20get%20a%20cash%20bonus%20of%20up%20t o%20%C3%82%C2%A31,200%20for%20working%20during%20the%20Olymp ic%20Games,%20it%20was%20revealed%20today)".

"All 2,300 drivers on the Tube, who earn a basic salary of £42,750, will receive a flat-rate £500 bonus. But complex confidential agreements seen by the Evening Standard - including special rates for the Olympics opening ceremony and overtime paid at £32 an hour - mean drivers will receive more than double that."

"A spokesman for the negotiating team at Aslef, the train drivers' union, said: "This is a great settlement and will ensure the successful deliverance of train services during the Olympics.""

Which is union speak for "We would have really f**ked them over during the Olympics otherwise".

£1,200 is slightly more than a Private will take home for a whole month, after tax.

[mymatetcm]

So what duties will be undertaken? how long his the training? and will we need to take out our own insurance to cover these tasks. we dont want a terrorist incident in a game stadium so lets put 7500 easy targets on display.
clueless leadership

[Jayand]

Have you all had your heads in the sand? this was always going to happen, I doubt any but a very select few dressed in civies will be packing a piece, (as they say in London!!!) the whole thing looks like it will be carnage, and a proper cluster f### (as usual).
Tents, crap organisation, crap food, and a ton of standing around, count me in!!!!

[MrBernoulli]

I, for one, won't be going anywhere near an Olympic stadium or similar during the Games. Why? Because our home-grown nutters will be very attracted to such venues with the intention of vapourising themselves, and bystanders, for posterity. And they don't have to be inside a venue to create carnage, just nearby.

No thanks. :rolleyes:

[chopper2004]

On reading one of the back issues of HeliOps, there was an article about the support for the 2006 Winter Olympics in Italy with involving everyone from the Aeronautica Militare Pelicans to the Guardia di Finanza's AB412 and the Ejercitio's AB212/412 to the Vigile del Fuoco AB412 and even the Corpo di Forestale assisted.

It was also interesting to read that the Italians had deployed a Patriot battery or two, a dedicated satellite or two re tasked over the area, had the NATO AWACS assigned as well as Typhoons on alert. I can't remember off hand how many troops assigned to the event either but I'd say it was bordering on 10,000.