SIA CARGO R/W Excursion

[dom_perignon]

The Channel NEWSASIA reported as follows:

According to a statement by Changi Airport Group, the aircraft veered off the runway after landing around 4.40pm.
Anyone heard of further details.. Very2 quiet I noticed.

[decurion]

Incident: Singapore B744 at Singapore on Dec 2nd 2011, runway excursion (http://avherald.com/h?article=44706cf6&opt=0)

[Ten-miles final]

Bad luck but looks too often for one airline within one month?

[Slasher]

There's always something going down at Singas - if it isn't BA
blowing tyres or SIA going off the runway or somebody with
stuck brakes its some other bloody thing. Maybe its just been
my bad luck being rostered to SIN every time **** happens.

Thankfully these days I don't go there much anymore, but if
and when I do I always carry extra for those sudden runway
closures on top of everything else (wx/traffic holding etc). For
dep I usually triple the normal taxi fuel for those times when
I estimate ATC will refuse to tell me the pecking order for TO
just before pushback.

[rain5]

So another one.

Now it would be interesting to see if its an " Expat Hero" or a Local Boy.- But hey heres a thought......- 95 % of the SQC pilots are Expats.

Any Comments Cargo jock?- :ok:

[parabellum]

I estimate ATC will refuse to tell me the pecking order for TO
just before pushback.


Trouble is Slash that nine times out of ten it is out of Singpaore ATCs hands. If the departure is anywhere between due West of Changi, through North to due East then flow control is in the hands of Malaysia and they give the departure sequence.

[poser]

Singapore runways are long & wide. The weather then did not seem like it is minima conditions. Wonder if there is something we can learn from what happened...?

[misd-agin]

I think it was the winds fault. :ooh:

[Slasher]

No its not that para - "No PDC" departure procedures covers
that AFAIK. Its that 1 out of 10 where you turn onto say WP
and see the numbers ahead of you for 20R, and told you're
#15 for TO (ten for 20R and five others for 20C).

I wouldn't complain if SIN had gatehold procedures similar to
what I've encountered in the States - better to just sit there
and read the paper over a coffee while waiting and burn APU
fuel (or ramp connect), rather than with all engines running.

[Neupielot]

ermm what went wrong? hardly any wind (metar history).

[Mega]

Hmm, have you guys never heard of aircraft parts/systems malfunctions?
At least i have. Anything can happen out there you know that. The flight is not over until you are parked and shut down.

Regarding whos sitting in the front row, well no one wants to weer of the RWY or screw up if you say, does not matter witch nationality thats up front.

One has to assume that the two guys up front is checked out and ready for the job.

From the other side of the free world

[A380 Jockey]

Slasher,
In my 30 plus years of having come into singapore on a wide body i have NEVER BEEN 'number 15' in departure sequence. And even when i have been close to those numbers, i have never been delayed by more than 3-4 mins max!
I have only the best of comments and reservations when it comes to ATC singapore. A thoroughly professional lot.
Not removing anything from the fella who wanted to wipe his landing gear clean on the grassy patch of the golfing greens though ...:p

[Slasher]

...i have NEVER BEEN 'number 15'...
...i have never been delayed by more than 3-4 mins max!

Well aren't you the lucky one! Try reading the last sentence
in the first paragraph of my first post AGAIN.

[datogu al MONA]

rain5 seemed lucky at sq and mh as he had his fengshui compass to fly with! may not be so lucky in his rm30 million suit against mh.

[overmars]

Investigations still under way. So let's wait a bit. Meanwhile, met report is out. No bad weather, though it did rain the whole morning that day.

[NOT WITHSTANDING]

We had just started descent when told 30 mins holding due runway closure. not much info coming from ATC, probably wasn't much to pass on until the a/c was clear and requirements assessed.

Jahore filled up quick with SQ diversions and Batam became the flavour of the arvo, company fuel would have seen us there.

Landed 55 mins after initial prediction, still legal.

Pavement dry when we landed and history winds were not above 3 kts, base above 8000ft, no TS on TAF.

Interested to know the details when released, great day 1 for line training, just like a sim session except no break for coffee!

[ggofpac]

Any news of what caused the excursion?

Many thanks.

[zekeigo]

This incident, happened at their home base, shows the level of inexperience among SIAC pilots.
It is not new that the management, safety and training departments at SIAC are composed with a curious mix of nationalities and different experience background, not a good combination. The blaming game has started and heads will roll, not R.L. for sure.
With the increasing numbers of new and inexperienced pilots on the left seat, we can expect reading more negative news about SIAC.
Good luck

[parabellum]

This incident, happened at their home base, shows the level of inexperience among SIAC pilots.


Incidents and accidents are not restricted to those with the least experience but please tell us just what did happen, since you seem to know?


With the increasing numbers of new and inexperienced pilots on the left seat,


Have they lowered the requirements for a B744 command then?

[hamil]

This incident, happened at their home base, shows the level of inexperience among SIAC pilots.

… Well, a Delta B767 landed on taxiway at Hartsfield (ATL), so what can be said about it?

It is not new that the management, safety and training departments at SIAC are composed with a curious mix of nationalities and different experience background, not a good combination.

… SIAC? And EY, EK, QR, blah, blah ….

The blaming game has started and heads will roll, not R.L. for sure.

... I heard RL has already left … but in October.

With the increasing numbers of new and inexperienced pilots on the left seat, we can expect reading more negative news about SIAC.

... Thanks, Nostradamus.

Funny :}

[Slasher]

Jahore filled up quick with SQ diversions and Batam became the flavour of the arvo, company fuel would have seen us there.

Does SIA still have Paya Lebar as that ridiculous alternate on
its CFPs? I know of not one SIA diversion (NOT ONE) to Paya
Lebar due to any reason (wx, runway closure etc). If you were
to go back in history to the mid-70s, Lebar was chosen by the
then "new" management in order to avoid payload penalty on
its 707s out of Bahrain (the previous expat MSA management
always used Muar so that you had something to play with if
and when the wx turned to crap.

[overmars]

Paya Lebar is still the nominated alternate for SQ into Changi Airport. With 15 minutes holding fuel, reserved fuel is normally about 7 tonnes. Not much for a 744. Of course, we can bring extra fuel for at least KUL.

[southernmtn]

It'll be most interesting to see a 707 land on the grass strip in Muar!

[millerscourt]

Paya Labar is like nominating 28L at LHR when landing on 28R. I personally never used it a fuel alternate except on a long haul flight where I had loads of contingency fuel which rarely got eaten into.

[Telur Belacan]

It'll be most interesting to see a 707 land on the grass strip in Muar!


The super duper acey skygod can do that! You guys still live on tree tops, what do you know?