Jet2 4

[Ian Brooks]

In answer to previous post about G-GDFA being retired it has flown today to
Malaga so looks as if it may be used as an airspare until end of season as this
is it`s first flight for 7 days

[MKY661]

Looking forward to the new 737-800's coming this winter, should do good for their expansion at MAN but i have heard only one of the new 3 will be based at MAN. Dont know wheather they will have normal Jet2 titles or Jet2Holidays titles.

Previous Thread: http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/262549-jet2-3-a-224.html

[Shoogly]

Trying to get my head around the situation with the 737-800s.

How many do they have in service at the moment and where are they based? My understing is two are heading north to Glasgow with the other(s) heading to Manchester.

Glasgow has somewhat of a limited winter flying programme this winter and was therefore wondering if they had already based an aircraft there?

The NG's will be a great addition to the fleet.

Cheers..

[MKY661]

There are currently 2 in the fleet with 3 more due in December

[jet2impress]

MKY is correct, 2 in service at the moment, both at MAN. MAN will have 3 based units next year with GLA having 1 or 2. Depending how many join, plans for 2/3 at the moment.

[merv32249213]

Booked a holiday for next June, destination Malaga from Leeds Bradford and seat plan shows a lot of 3-2 with a seat on its own behind each 2 . What does all that mean or am I losing the plot. Not sure it is B737 or 757

[TSR2]

Merv,

Just checked two seperate dates in June and both show 3-3 configuration of a B733.

[CabinCrewe]

its your browser

[Topspotter]

Anyone know know why? aircraft being repaired by monach at MAN by all accounts

[LBIA]

I hope that's not true that the CAA have grounded the aircraft..

I guess it makes more sense for Jet2 to have there Manchester based 757 aircraft repaired/fixed by Monarch engineering instead parking it up at Leeds.

There is no room at Multiflight for another 757 sized aircraft at the moment. This is due to G-LSAE still be repaired by Boeing, After her little incident last month with the Wheelchair lifter.

[jonathan78]

Monarch ain't fixing the 757 at man jet2 just using the hanger.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Well that is funny jonathan78, because they were fixing it originally, but l bow to you greater knowledge that Jet2 engineers have taken over.
The original defect found by the CAA was sorted by the MAEL AOG team, they also found some damage while rigging the L2 door.
MAEL's structures engineers then approached Boeing, as repair was not covered by a standard SRM repair.
So maybe the Jet2 engineers are carrying out the Boeing repair. :ok:

[Topspotter]

Beg to differ, according to a member of our aviation group who works for jet 2 the damage was so bad jet 2 did not have the capability to repair it where as monach have boeing approval for this type of work

[Mr @ Spotty M]

So it looks like MAEL are doing the whole thing then?

[Topspotter]

Appears so, something to with monarch having special boeing approval for complex repairs where as jet 2 dont, and because the CAA found the damage and grounded to plane i suppose jet 2 have got to get it done correctly

[Curious Pax]

Any indication of where the next 738s are coming from?

[INKJET]

MAEL are the specialist in this type of work and makes sense for them to do it, I guess Jet2 acquired the aircraft in this state, but it should have been picked up because some one will have to pay to put it right, is it an owned airframe, the other concern is they will be now on the CAA radar

[jonathan78]

My mistake I was told by an engineer at work that jet2 engineers were fixing it, I do no some of the engineers from Leeds went to look at it

[757 Speedbrakes]

Which airframe is it?

[LBIA]

G-LSAA is the aircraft that's in the Monarch hanger at Manchester while G-LSAE is at Multiflight at Leeds reciving treatment from Boeing.

Also it looks as though G-LSAK which is on lease to RAK Airways until May next year has gone tech somewhere. As Manchester based G-LSAC positioned out last night and has been covering its work today.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Jet2 have had the a/c for six years, so the problem would have manifested itself under Jet2 operation.

[Papa2Charlie]

Anyone know what exact reason for the grounding is? Seems to be structural from previous posts but is it damage driven, corrosion, fatigue etc.??

[Topspotter]

Im not a techie type but according to my pal at jet 2 the door had been "miss-rigged" by jet 2 some time ago and this caused the damage which monarch engineers are now rectifiying with boeings assistance, lucky for jet 2 monarch have agreed to help them out( however im sure it will be at a cost!)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

What aircraft are Jet2 using on Tel-Aviv-Dublin lather tonight. Think a 757 but could be a 738.

[LBIA]

Well it looks like the problem that made the CAA ground Jet2's Boeing 757-200, G-LSAA must have been rectified as she was back in service today working out of Manchester to Malaga.

[david1994]

What aircraft are Jet2 using on Tel-Aviv-Dublin lather tonight. Think a 757 but could be a 738.

It currently enroute from Cork as LS6135 and is a B757-200 G-LSAB

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The problem that the CAA spotted was fixed days ago.
It was the damage that the door caused that the CAA did not spot, is what caused the major problem.
Boeing would not allow a repair, casting had to be replaced and Boeing did not have one, finding one was the first major issue, which is all to common now with the B757. :ugh:

[Papa2Charlie]

Thanks for the feedback folks.

[LBIA]

Boeing 757-200, G-LSAE which has been sat over on the Multiflight apron at LBA is going out on a test flight this afternoon operating a EXS031E.

It will be the first time the aircraft has flown since been repaired by Boeing after suffering damage on September 6th when the wheel chair lifter hit her.

[ciampino]

So much rubbish posted by so called experts get your facts right before making silly comments G-LSAE was repaired by Jet2 Engineers not Boeing G-LSAA door frame damage was incorrectly diagnosed by the monarch engineers telling everybody Boeing would have to come up with a repair. Jet2 engineers took over repaired iaw SRM

[757 Speedbrakes]

So G-LSAA door not spotted by CAA inspector then....... ? :hmm:

[AIRPORT66]

Have jet2 given reason why they axed there flights from BFS to Toulouse, Leeds/Bradford.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Pray, where is your expertise from ciampino?
How can door frame damage, be incorrectly diagnosed?
It is damaged or it is not damaged, it is as simple as that.
If my memory is correct, any damage within a certain distance of a door opening, has to be reported to Boeing and they will come up with the repair.
I will stick with my previous comments, as l have talked to the AOG engineer from MAEL who was called out to fix the defect spotted by the CAA. Also previously stated l do not know if the repair was finished by Jet2 or MAEL engineers.

[ciampino]

Your memory is not serving you well you only have to speak to Boeing when the repair is outside the Structural Repair Manual as this repair was within the SRM no need to contact Boeing

[ciampino]

You need to get a more reliable source of course it was the wrong diagnosis. If the repairs in the SRM you repair it IAW the SRM you do not go to Boeing, that is what the SRM is there fore to carry out structural repairs do you think Boeing want to be contacted every time you have damage to an aircraft

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I have this morning read the SR sent to Boeing by MAEL, this concerning the damage to the door frame by the door being out of rig.
MAEL sent photographs of the damage and copies of the SRM of the area damaged.
MAEL suggested repairs, but Boeing said that because of lack of fastener rows available, it turned down the repair and stated replacement of some structure.
So if you are correct in that the repair was incorrectly diagnosed and was in the SRM, both MAEL & Boeing screwed up.
If this is the case, l can only say sorry as an employee. :{

[Topspotter]

Im sure no one screwed up by all accounts jet 2 were very pleased by the response from monarch, according to my pal who is a jet 2 employee monarch really got them out of the poo

[ciampino]

yes Jet2 may have been grateful for there assistance just cost them 2 days loss of flying well done monarch engineers you really got Jet2 out of the Poo again. Well topspotter and mr spotty your beloved monarch engineers are not that brilliant the way you two make out at the expense of Jet2 engineers reputations. Get your facts correct next time

[JSCL]

As a complete outsider to all this, seems if Jet2 had to send it to Monarch, not much can be said for Jet2 engineering... Can it ciampino?

[ciampino]

Correct JSCL you are a complete outsider who has none of the facts and yet again we have another know-all climbing on the bandwagon. As I have said before get all of the facts first and then post a response that dose not ridicule other engineers.

[Topspotter]

The facts are as i understand them that jet 2 had a problem in that the CAA had grounded the aircraft due to it being un -airworthy and they were unable to resolve the problem for whatever reason and asked monarch to assist ,which they did in a very timely manner and sorted the issue thus enabling the aircraft to get back into service

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I would love to know where you are getting your facts from ciampino.
Both MAEL & Boeing are of the opinion that the door frame could not be repaired, without a structural repair using parts from Boeing.
However one person namely ciampino, is telling us that both MAEL & Boeing screwed up.
Have you seen the correspondence between MAEL, Boeing & Jet2, ciampino?
I know from previous posts that you seem to have little regard for MAEL engineers.
I unlike you have high regards for both MAEL & Jet2 engineers.
This is going to be my last post on the subject, as it is turning into a pi**ing contest. :ugh:

[codpiece face]

MR I am surprised you have allowed yourself to get dragged into this by people who are clearly working with second or third hand info of which most of is rubbish.

[ciampino]

Yet again topspotter you have come onto this forum and posted a reply which is total rubbish Jet2 engineers carried out the repair so I say again get your facts right before posting fabricated stories.

[ciampino]

Mr spotty I replied to your post dated 19/10/2011@16:59 I am asking you and anyone else reading this thread to read your posting everything you stated was untrue apart from saying monarch engineers were involved with the repair initially, then Jet2 over. I will stay on this forum as long as people like you, topspotter and now codpiece continue to post facts which are untrue

[MANTHRUST]

This thread will be moved shortly to the "Italian Axe grinders" Forum.

[dwshimoda]

The sign off in the Tech Log had a Monarch stamp on it. Nothing against Jet2 engineers who do a fantastic job, just I believe that this particular one had to be carried out by Monarch.

[peppo_8787]

There are possibilities that open up in Palermo? It would be useful

[MKY661]

Does anyone know where the new 737-800 will be coming from? doubt it they will be brand new.

[LPFR]

I'm also curious to know where the "new" 737-800's will come from...More from TUI and Transavia that operate some of the older 737-800's around? Ryanair has WFU some of their oldest 737's from 2003/2004..would be like brand new machines for Jet2 :rolleyes:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I know TOM are replacing some of the older B737-800's this winter, however they may be going back to TUIfly Nordic.

[DjerbaDevil]

Rumour has it that G-GDFC and G-GDFD, the newly acquired B738s for this summer, have been a disappointment.

[757 Speedbrakes]

Yep.... but you get what you pay for!

It's alright buying old Herolds off the scrap heap and using them for cargo flights between Bournemouth and the Channel Islands but it doesn't work well in the end for scheduled and charter passenger flights using jet airliners! If you're going to do that, at least have a more generous engineering budget!

[DjerbaDevil]

My Mum always said that it was prudent to buy economically but buying cheap could end up being worthless. Let's hope the lesson has been learnt for future acquisitions.....

[ciampino]

dwshimoda check the tech log again,you will see that Monarch engineers signed for the replacement of the door rollers which locate in the door aperture fittings and then carried out the rigging of the door that is what the Monarch signature and stamp is for, the repair was carried out stamped and signed for in the tech log by Jet2 Engineers

[No RYR for me]

My Mum always said that it was prudent to buy economically but buying cheap could end up being worthless. Let's hope the lesson has been learnt for future acquisitions.....

Can you ask your mom to have a look at these accounts and tell us where they made a loss with their buying strategy in the past? Business and Financial Review | Company Reports | Dart Group PLC (http://www.dartgroup.co.uk/report_and_accounts_2011/business_and_financial_review/#aviation)

[Facelookbovvered]

I had heard that the NG had not been perfect, was the IBZ event a 800 and was that a bird strike or fire/failure?

[Topspotter]

I really do think its time jet 2 invested in some new aircraft, these tired old sheds there operating are doing them no favours, as the recent case in which the CAA grounded an unsafe aircraft clearly demonstrated not to mention the high number of technical delays recorded over the last summer season

[JSCL]

I don't think there's much an issue with the fleet age. Sure they're going to be reaching EOL with some of the 733's and I suspect also th 752'S in a few years but I don't think they had more issues than any other airline. Look to Monarch (awaiting ciampino to attack me for this) - with good solid maintenance, aircraft can last to their limits. They'd do better holding out for another 2 years before renewals - I suspect plenty of young 738's to be on the market by then which would be a good fit for jet2.

Edit: they could probably also put their old 733's in for cargo conversion in a few years too - will allow them to boost cargo ops.

[Topspotter]

Your right of course, if enough time and effort is dedicated to the aircraft they can be very reliable even when there getting on in years, monarch being a good example, in fact i heard a story regarding one of the recent monarch 757 that went to a big freight operator for conversion, so impressed were they in the standard of care that this aircraft had received since new with monarch they decided to approach monarch with regard to entering into a maintenance contract for their fleet.

However getting back to jet 2 it would appear they have nowhere near the resources to maintain their older aircraft to the required standard to ensure high reliability levels, perhaps it might be a good idea if they decide to continue to operate ancient airframes to approach a company such as monarch who have a excellent track record in this area to carry out the maintenance

[Chitty]

it seems that jet have put belfast to leeds on sale for summer for 2012 so its not geting droped now so thats a bit of good news

[Curious Pax]

FWIW had some friends flew out to Paris on Jet2 from Leeds and then back into Liverpool on EZY a few weeks ago. They were very complimentary about the state of the Jet2 737 compared to the EZY 319 so were shocked when I told them the 737 was 3-4 times older.

[TopazBlue]

I am no technical person, but a frequent flyer from Leeds. Used to use Jet2 all the time, but with the repairs and tech info I read on this forum now fly with other operators. Can anyone tell me why when I walk past a Jet2 757 on the tarmac at Leeds during the night, both engines seem to be turning on these jets, other planes engines are off. Is this normal for this type of plane?

The age of their jets and the things I read on this forum really do put me off flying with them anymore, but the service we received on each and every flight was excellent, never had anything to complain about.

[FlyboyUK]

Topaz, the front fan blade of a jet engine will rotate on it's own if there is sufficient breeze passing through it when parked up. You can often see the crew turning them by hand on a walk-round on some type.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Who do you use instead??

[easyflyer83]

Topaz, you really have nothing to worry about. Those jets are getting on a bit but there are aircraft flying with the US majors that are every bit as old if not older. Jet2 are relatively successful and like all airlines they have to do things by the book, so regulated is the industry on that side of things. When an airline strays away from this then you will get to hear about it pretty quick.

I know Jet2 have their fair share of aircraft going tech by the sounds of things but I would happily board one of their flights with complete confidence that it was fit to fly. From a crew member who works for a larger competitor using very new aircraft, your worries are unfounded mate.

The engine fans often blow in breezy conditions.

[dwlpl]

This maybe one for Jet2 employees to answer.

What is Jet2 current fleet strength now we are going into the winter period?

What will be the fleet strength be for the summer 2012 program?

[ciampino]

5 NGs and 3 Classics extra for 2012

[dwlpl]

5 NGs and 3 Classics extra for 2012

Is there a list of their bases/based aircraft now and what it will be in summer 2012?

[righthandrule]

LBA
3 757's
7 737-300's

MAN
4 757's
2 737-800's
2/3 737-300's

NCL
2 757's
3 737-300's

EDI
4 737-300's

GLA
3 737-800's

BLK
2 737-300's

EMA
2 757's
1 737-300

BFS
2 737-300's

EDI,GLA,EMA see additional based a/c over 2011. LBA, MAN, NCL see increased utilisation of current based aircraft. BFS & BLK 2012 programme stays the same near enough as this year.

[dwlpl]

Many thanks.

Do you know how the '5 NGs and 3 Classics extra for 2012' will be dished out to the bases?

[757 Speedbrakes]

2 757's being returned (LSAL, LSAM).

[GoEDI]

EDI,GLA,EMA see additional based a/c over 2011

EDI was 4 B733QCs this summer too although there's a few increases so next summer should see increased utilisation.

[Jamesair]

RIGHTHANDRULE

Increased utilisation with the 5 a/c fleet at NCL for summer 12 doesn't explain the 6 a/c requirement on Thurs and Sat during the season.

[BHD2BFS]

Has Belfast lost an aircraft then? I always thought they had 3 ac based

[HH6702]

i think we will see 6 based aircraft more flights to go on sale by end of year

[righthandrule]

NCL will be an operational 5 aircraft base for scheduling purposes. The latest QC is a standby, and will be principally stationed at NCL & EDI as a standby for Royal Mail and will position out to recover any passenger delays. Indeed there are days where 6 aircraft are needed, Saturday's for example as there are no Royal Mails, so a QC does not need to be on the ground. Similarly there are a few days in EDI where 5 aircraft are needed. G-GDFE will hop between the bases covering any tech QC's. So really EDI is 4.5 based aircraft and NCL is 5.5, but that's getting a bit fussy :ok:

[HH6702]

so what happens on thursdays as there is a royal mail flights??
does the edi standby aircraft pop down??

[DjerbaDevil]

2 757's being returned (LSAL, LSAM).


If the above is correct then that will leave the fleet of B752s down to 10 and according to the distribution of aircraft posted by "righthandrule" the requirement is for 11 B752s:
LBA
3 757's
MAN
4 757's
NCL
2 757's
EMA
2 757's
Anyone know where the 11th B752 is coming from?

[757 Speedbrakes]

....... as yet there isn't one. New airframes don't usually get an official mention til the start of the year and the usual source of early enlitenment, the ground engineers, haven't heard anything.

[Chitty]

no i think GLA will have 1x 733 1x 738 and 1x 757

[j636]

New route Berlin - Leeds from 1 June

[Chitty]

how do u know that berlin is a new jet2 route from leeds j636

[BombardierCR7]

It's on Jet2's website Chitty

[MKY661]

2 757's being returned (LSAL, LSAM).

When is this happening?

one of the 737-300's looks to have stopped flying as well. (FA) not sure when FB is going.

[4Screwaircrew]

AL & AM are leased to the end of summer 2012.

[LBIA]

G-GDFA has now been withdrawn from use and is parked up at LBA ready for it to be parted out. G-GDFB is on her way back to LBA this evening and i understand she will be withdrawn from service this weekend and then under go some maintenance work at Multiflight before been returned to her owners.

Meanwhile Jet2's owned B737-300's G-CELS & G-CELU have both left LBA this week and have gone down to Belgrade for a rest and some long over due maintenance work after a busy summer working.

[dwlpl]

Using those posts and other sites the current Jet2 strength is 24*733, 2*738 and 12*757.

Using the Jet2, OAG and airport sites S12 strength needs to be 21*733, 5*738 and 12*757 plus one I cannot find details of.

The breakdown for S12 is
3*733@BFS
2*733@BLK
4*733@EDI
2*738 and 1*757@GLA
3*733 and 2*757@NCL
1*733 and 2*757@EMA
6*733 and 3*757@LBA
2*733, 3*738 and 4*757@MAN plus the one I cannot find details of.

[MKY661]

Will this mean that MAN will be LS's largest base? Or will it still be LBA. Seems very close.

[j636]

Was reading on line this morning that 15 passengers on a charter flight from Tel Aviv to Dublin last night were feeling un well on board. Crew requested medical assistance as a number of passengers started getting sick before the flight landed. Jet2 said the cause was not known and will be investgated further. Anybody know if there wasn an outcome yet?

[Jamie2k9]

It was food related, all went to the same place before they boarded the flight.

[MKY661]

G-GDFB is on her way back to LBA this evening and i understand she will be withdrawn from service this weekend and then under go some maintenance work at Multiflight before been returned to her owners.

looks like withdrawn now

[CabinCrewe]

Isnt GLA to be 733 / 738/ 757 ?

[BAladdy]

Isnt GLA to be 733 / 738/ 757 ?

Now showing as having 2 x 738's & 1 x 757 based for S12

2*733, 3*738 and 4*757 @MAN

I believe it is to be 3 x 733's, 3 x 738's & 4 x 757's for the S12 season

Does anyone know when the additional 738's are expected to be delivered and who they are leasing or buying them from?

[LBIA]

6*733 and 3*757@LBA

LBA will in fact be 7x B733's & 3x B752's next summer

[MKY661]

Does anyone know when the additional 738's are expected to be delivered and who they are leasing or buying them from?All i know is that they are due in December. Dont know who from or what the regs are yet but hope to know soon though. :) I think they are going to be bought as well.

[LBIA]

Well it looks like Jet2 have quietly dropped the Manchester - Brive service seen that it has disappeared as a destination on there website today.

Anyone know why. Also how have the loads been on the route this summer?

[GlennTheBaker]

When I was working for Jet2.com earlier this year, the loads for Brive were constantly very low - less than half full a lot of the time.

[BasilFawlty]

When I was working for Jet2.com earlier this year, the loads for Brive were constantly very low - less than half full a lot of the time.So are the loads to and from AMS on most flights for many years now, but AMS is still in the schedules. ;)

Anyone who can provide me the current schedule of the Royal Mail cargo flights?

Thanks in advance!

[jonathan78]

Royal mail there is 12 sectors per night

[BasilFawlty]

It seems that G-CELW is now EDI based since November and operating EDI-EMA-EDI. The EXT-EMA-EXT flights are since operated by G-ZAPV under Channex callsign? :confused: And G-CELR is operating under Titan callsign since November, so... what exactly is going on, any insider with more information?

Regards,

[AP1995]

anybody know what the JET2 flight was doing today from Medinia? i beleive it is Saudi Arabia and was due to land in leeds bt diverted to manchester?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

It will be a Hajj charter.

[AP1995]

Does anybody know how the new york flights have gone, are they full?

[Chitty]

i looked the other day and the first leeds flight was full but the second had only 4 seats left ut dont know about the rest of the new york flights

[MKY661]

I might have sussed where the new 737-800's are coming from. Looks like it may be HV again. One of their 737-800 was withdrawn from use back in October so maybe its coming to Jet2:

PH-HZY Transavia Boeing 737-8K2(WL) - cn 30646 / ln 1122 - Planespotters.net Just Aviation (http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/737/30646,PH-HZY-Transavia.php)

[gavin1980]

This are probably obvious reasons for this but:

My Mum has just flown back to Paphos via EMA from LBA. She arrived via EMA last week. She said there were approx 70 pax on the flight to LBA last week and only 56 on the flight back today combined between LBA and EMA.

Is this a good use of a 757 especially with the stop and farcical arrangements at EMA for the extra pax?

I don't think Jet2 will do this route into November next year?

[BasilFawlty]

It won't be PH-HZY, this one is going to EuroAtlantic as CS-TQU.;)

[MKY661]

So we have hit December but does anyone know the date that the new 737-800's are due?

[Jamesair]

Are there likely to be any new route announcements for Newcastle for Summer 2012?...there seem to be a few gaps in a/c use.

[GrahamK]

JamesAir, only extra's added to Newcastle so far are Dubrovnik 1 x weekly, and extra flights to Dalaman and Palma. The Mon Mahon flight has been dropped I believe

[Jamesair]

So has the extra Sat PMI flight in the main season

[P330]

I'm hearing Jet2 are the likely candidates to operate the Transun charter to Lapland from Newcastle on the 17th December. Can anyone confirm this? If so, does anyone know if it will be operated by a 737 or 757?

Thanks.

[chinapattern]

On what routes do Jet2 utilise their 757's out of MAN?

[HH6702]

Does anyone know what's happening with TCX for summer?

Is ncl still to have 4 aircraft flying 2 being lease in from other companies?

Doesn't look good with bookings down 30% due to recent press reports

With jet2 now just flying 1x on sat to pmi is this meaning that all airlines are now struggling to fill for next summer and are cutting back now?

[Bam Thwok]

I'm hearing Jet2 are the likely candidates to operate the Transun charter to Lapland from Newcastle on the 17th December. Can anyone confirm this? If so, does anyone know if it will be operated by a 737 or 757?

P330.......The NCL-ENF is operated on a 757.

[P330]

Thanks Bam Twhok!

Appreciate the feedback and nice to have it confirmed as Transun have so far not released those details.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

On what routes do Jet2 utilise their 757's out of MAN?

When? Winter or summer season?:confused::confused:

[LPFR]

On what routes do Jet2 utilise their 757's out of MAN?

Summer season lots of them...PMI, ALC, AGP, FAO, MJV and the longer routes to TLV, KGS, PFO, DLM.

Winter season the longer routes like TFS and ski destinations like CMF and GVA.

[mikkie4]

word has it that jet2 are to fly 3x weekly from sen,announcement should be made by end of the week.anyone else shed any light on this?

[Chitty]

i read that it was going to be 3 routes from southend not a 3 weekly flight

[mikkie4]

sorry my mistake

[TCX69]

Slightly off topic.. But does anyone know if/when G-CELW, G-LSAD & G-LSAK will receive the full Jet2.com livery? The latter 2 of which still retain their white fuselage, while 'LW still carries basic Channel Express livery!

Thanks for any info..

[Chitty]

i think AD and AK for staying as thay r coz there on lease i think LW slaying as it aswell

[4Screwaircrew]

Theory was that some of the aeroplanes would have white fuselages as that would make it easier to apply decals for winter lease work, such as being carried out by AK at the moment.

[Chitty]

hi i facebooked southend airports saying is it true that jet2.com will be starting flights to 3 destinations next year and thay repleyed saying There are strong rumours going around at the moment, on top of Germanwings and Germania. It looks promising but nothing confirmed yet

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I see Jet2 have announced expansion at NCL, with Flights to Bodrum, Rome, Reus and Venice starting from May 31st next year and a sixth aircraft based at the airport. :ok:

[Jamesair]

plus additional flights on Faro/Alicante/Mahon/Malaga/Cork/Prague/Krakow...good news all round for NCL.

[Barling Magna]

Posted by DCTen on the Southend page:

SEN Ops
Jet2 will be operating SEN-CGN-CRA from january 9 on, using LGW based crews, then Germania will be flying to CRA from May on (Charterflights)
as far as i know
Jet 2 B 737-300 , Germania A 319


Any substance in this....?

[LPFR]

Really? Talk about a WEIRD route...:rolleyes:

[dcten]

it s not weird, considering there is a big automobile plant in cra

[Expressflight]

The route will operate as Ford sole use charters as far as I can gather, but I'm not sure of the flight frequencies. It seems that Germania will take over the route in the Spring with A319s but whether that will then become a scheduled service remains unclear.

[MKY661]

Still havent heard of the delivery days for the 3 new 737's due this month :(

Any plans to fit the other 757's with winglets should be cool.

[take-off]

When in gods' name will they give a bit of cheer to Blackpool, and give us a new route, i don't care where, just somewhere................:{

[SWBKCB]

Whenever BLK gives them a route they can make a few bob on - they're not in it for the the laughs!

[take-off]

There must be somewhere that would work well from BLK Other than the usual costa's , not that i'm knocking those area's , just somewhere bit different....

[SynergyX]

Hi,just wondering which AC they are using on the 23rd down to TFS?

Many Thanks.

[GrahamK]

SynergyX,

Should be a 757-200, although I have seen 737-300s operating LBA-TFS recently as well.

[LBIA]

What's going on! How come the all white Boeing 737-300, G-GDFB has gone back into service with Jet2 flying the LS207 Leeds - Murcia service this morning?

I thought this aircraft was withdrawn from use and been scrapped...

[MKY661]

That was G-GDFA. G-GDFB was going to be returned to its lessor.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Hi,just wondering which AC they are using on the 23rd down to TFS?

It's 757-200, looks pretty well full too:ok::ok:

[flyby1]

Have jet2 bought this aircraft now?

[ciampino]

Yes they have bought it

[jet2impress]

They bought G-GDFA to break up for parts.... as far as I know G-GDFB is leased and due to be returned to the lessor soon.

[commit aviation]

G-GDFB was leased & was (very nearly) returned. It was I believe out of service ready to be returned. At which time the decision was taken to purchase the aircraft. Having concluded the purchase it has now returned to service.

[Jet2krazey]

G-GDFB has now been bought, it was due to go back to its lessor, but they must have got a good deal to keep it! :)

[DrRedHead]

I'm hearing from the Servisair guys that Jet2 are looking at sticking an aircraft (some people are saying up to 4) in Liverpool for the summer. Would be nice to see them there.

Anyone care to comment on this???

[j636]

Couold be to prove a point to MAN for letting Ryanair base there. Easyjet not brining the 7 aircraft. (delay in getting it may be part of it but you can be sure that Ryanair are part of the reason. EZY said the same day that they were not happy about FR basing in MAN.

Would be great if its true.

[757 Speedbrakes]

I'm afraid I haven't heard rumours at work but it's all a bit late to announce a new base and routes for summer 2012.

One thing though..... They will only do it because they think they can make a tidy profit - not just to annoy the Manchester Airline Group board of directors!

[SWBKCB]

I'm hearing from the Servisair guys that Jet2 are looking at sticking an aircraft (some people are saying up to 4) in Liverpool for the summer. Would be nice to see them there.

Anyone care to comment on this???

Yes - they might be able to find one aircraft for next summer but four?? Where from, crews? etc, etc...

It's now the middle of December - shouldn't they have flights on sale?? etc, etc....

[Curious Pax]

Couold be to prove a point to MAN for letting Ryanair base there. Easyjet not brining the 7 aircraft. (delay in getting it may be part of it but you can be sure that Ryanair are part of the reason. EZY said the same day that they were not happy about FR basing in MAN.

Would be great if its true.

Meanwhile in the real world airlines have little enough spare cash as it is without wasting it on 'proving a point'. If Jet2 do the numbers and decide that a Liverpool operation would be a profitable venture then no doubt they'll give it a go, but that would be true regardless of who was moving into MAN.

If they are indeed planning a move into LPL then the more likely trigger is Michael O'Leary stating that RYR won't be expanding further at LPL, which along with EZY's fairly static size there may have led Jet2 to see if there are any gaps worth filling. The income v expenditure model for them will be different given the different fleet strategy compared to EZY and RYR which may mean they can make money on some routes that the others can't.

[dwlpl]

Yes - they might be able to find one aircraft for next summer but four?? Where from, crews? etc, etc...

It's now the middle of December - shouldn't they have flights on sale?? etc, etc....

Aircraft availability wise, according to Jethro Jet2 have two unfilled registrations for a 300 and a 800 variant of the 737. Also how safe is Jet2s Blackpool base?

The airline is announcing routes regularly at the moment so selling the seats may not be as big a problem as thought but time is tight though.

[GnRdL]

In my opinion, it would be more easy to see a seasonal base in ABZ with one aircraft.

[pug]

I'm hearing from the Servisair guys that Jet2 are looking at sticking an aircraft (some people are saying up to 4) in Liverpool for the summer

Genuine question, but if Jet2 were to 'stick upto four aircraft' into a new base would they not use their own in-house handling agents rather than contract to Servisair?

Also surely there must be significant overlap with their two other large bases nearby at MAN and LBA?

[Penworth]

From the senior management - "There's no money in ground handling". Don't think they would self handle unless there was no alternative, hence why they don't self handle at other large bases like Manchester.

[BAladdy]

According to Jethros LS's next addition to the fleet arrived in NWI today. The 737-800 is ex Air Europa (EC-HGP) and will be be registered G-GDFF.

[SWBKCB]

There's a difference between slipping in the odd extra flight at bases where you're already well known (and selling well) and selling new routes from a new base. Also, aren't BLK flights already on sale for next summer? Also, one extra aircraft has already been announced for NCL next summer and I think also for GLA?

[No RYR for me]

Can't help but notice on photos of the new aquisition that it doesn't have winglets! Will this be rectified or are J2 planning a complete 'mongrel' fleet?

It shows that you have no understanding of the business model of the company you work for... :rolleyes: Instead of asking this on spottersplaza you might enquire internally what the rational is :D

[righthandrule]

Just to confirm;

LBA & BLK are complete self handling
MAN & NCL are front of house self handling

PMI, AGP, MJV, ALC & FAO are all self handling. Whilst overheads may be slightly higher with self handling vs contracted handling, efficiency and revenue control is greatly increased. A lot of the self handling stations in Spain previously did not have revenue agreements with Jet2, so employing their own staff meant overheads were increase by around 10% but major ancillary revenue incomes are now made, more than offsetting the increase in cost.

As for LPL, don't think it's gonna happen. It would be too close to home for MAN/BLK. The only way I could see it happening is if a couple of 757's are put in to operate holiday routes for Thomson/Thomas Cook but I really doubt it will ever happen.

[MKY661]

A Boeing 737-800 has arrived reg. G-GDFF and it has come from Air Europa. It does not have winglets though.

Also read off another forum that G-GDFG has also arrived and that one will be a Boeing 737-300 and painted into Jet2 Holidays colours. Not sure who it is from though.

[righthandrule]

Indeed, G-GDFF is currently in Norwich having delivery maintenance, cabin upgrade and re-paint. It is currently not planned to have winglets added but this is good old Jet2, anything could happen.

It's currently due into LBA on the 4th Jan - as mentioned this beauty will be the baby of the fleet!

[PPRuNeUser0176]

What Aircraft are Jet2 going to use on Dublin-Chambery which starts tomorrow. Was a B733 last winter which was NCL based but this year its operating at the same time arrive DUB 12.30 and depart 13.30 but not being operated from NCL, MAN, LBA or EDI (going by the timetable on website)

[righthandrule]

I think it's a Possibly the LGW based 737-300. Current G-CELK. It may be a BFS based 737 though.

[jet2impress]

Looks like G-CELZ on a W-pattern through CMF from EDI.

[retrosgone]

The Dublin Chambery Charters have been operated for the last 3 or so winters by EDI based 737-300 QCs. This winter is the same, with a crew operating EDI - CMF - DUB, then positioning home. A second crew takes over the aircraft in DUB and completes the W pattern home to EDI.

[j636]

Some winter 2012/13 on sale with Jet2.

[HH6702]

What routes are on sale ?

[LBIA]

Quoting HH6702: What routes are on sale ?

Jet2 have the following routes now on sale for next winter 2012/13 season.

NCL to ACE & TFS
GLA to ACE & TFS
EMA to ACE & TFS
BLK to ALC & TFS
LBA to ACE, AGP, ALC, BCN, FAO, FNC, TFS
MAN to ACE, ALC, BUD, FNC, PRG,TFS, TLV,
EDI to BUD, PRG

[Fernanjet]

Is it true that Jet2 have a strategic A320 based in Manchester next Summer??

[richardnei]

They used a Strategic Airlines A320 in MAN this summer past as a back-up aircraft over the peak period. So could be doing the same next year aswell.

There is to be a B757 at MAN and a B733 at LBA on full-time standby next summer so this could be for additional ad-hoc cover.

Remember G-LSAK is leased to RAK Airways until the end of June. So they will be down an aircraft until then aswell.

[righthandrule]

It is back for next summer. It is being sold as a 737-800 on the website and will be rotated on 737-800 routes at MAN. The logic behind this is to have a 757 spare at all times as last year the A320 could not cover the 757 as a standby due to the capacity difference.

LBA will have a 737-300 standby for the majority of the week (some peak times will see all aircraft in operation), the same goes for MAN with the 757.

Fingers crossed this will mean OTP is dramatically increased compared to last year. It took a lot, but the big boss has finally been convinced to splash out on standby aircraft.

[DjerbaDevil]

There's rumour about that JET2 have acquired two more B738s from Air Europe. Any confirmations?

[LBIA]

Jet2 summer 2012 aircraft fleet and bases will be as follows.

12x B757-200's
15x B737-300’s
8x B737-300QC’s
1x B737-300F
5x B737-800’s
1x A320-200 (Leased from Strategic Airlines)

And here is how the basing works out.
LBA = 8x B733 & 3x B752
MAN = 2x B733, 3x B738, 1x A320 & 4x B752
NCL = 4x B733 & 2x B752
EDI = 4x B733
GLA = 2x B738 & 1x B752
EMA = 1x B733 & 2x B752
BFS = 2x B733
BLK = 2x B733
EXT = 1x B733

Aircraft still to be aquired are
1x B737-300 & 2x B737-800's

[commit aviation]

Interesting to see that MAN is now larger than LBA in seat capacity terms, albeit that LBA has more aircraft / routes.
Such a shame that Leeds' "own" airline is struggling to find growth opportunities there but I guess a combination of economic circumstances & the base having matured make it increasingly tricky.

[LBIA]

commit aviation I don't think that's true! As the Jet2 aircraft utilisation out off Leeds is alot higher compared to the Manchester fleet.

You've got to remember that one of the Manchester based B757-200 will be sat around doing nothing for most off the week. Where as the Leeds fleet is needed in service almost everyday even though one of its based B737-300's is meant to be a standby aircraft.

[JSCL]

But the plus argument also is that clearly, despite overall seat capacity at both airports, Jet2 are able to fill more seats out of MAN than LBA. If there's less routes and based A/C but more seats available - that's the big factor to look at. If you looked at routes vs A/C - MAN would be on a winner hands-down.

Clearly LBA can only be managing the ~148 seats on a flight when MAN can be achieving ~180 and even up to ~220 filled seats per flight more often. Number of routes and based A/C doesn't mean all that much, honestly, MAN is a more competitive field than LBA is which would be a good reason for less routes meaning less based A/C.

[AndyH52]

Sorry Delta154 but if the capacity isn't actually included in the scheduled flying programme then I'm not sure it's relevant. When Jet2 starts flying more pax each week out of MAN than LBA then you can start saying it's Manchester operation is bigger...

[righthandrule]

Lets just clear a few things up. Yes LBA's fleet is 8 x 733 and 3 x 752 whilst MAN's is 2 x 733, 3 x 738 & 4 x 752 but overall the bases are very similar. Just because MAN has a higher proportion of 'larger' aircraft does not mean that it is a bigger or better base.

Clearly LBA can only be managing the ~148 seats on a flight when MAN can be achieving ~180 and even up to ~220 filled seats per flight more often.

In fact generally it is the opposite, due to the high competition at Manchester Jet2 have opted to not be bigger but better on their routes. Compared to some bases, routes operate on a relatively low frequency but on larger aircraft. Other bases see higher frequency with smaller aircraft. LBA has the output of a morning 757 departure and afternoon 733 departure to the likes of AGP, ALC, PMI etc whilst MAN can only profitably sustain a single daily 737/757 flight. There are obviously exceptions such as FCO/PRG/BUD that have higher frequencies & bigger aircraft operating than at LBA but generally Jet2 have a lot more longer, thin routes from MAN which reduces what can be done with the aircraft.

LBA has a lot more 6 sector day aircraft, all aircraft operate a minimum of 4 sectors each day apart from tuesdays & wednesdays when the 757's only operate 2 sectors. Compare this to Manchester, where at least one 757 operates only 2 sectors on each day of the week. (Obviously longer sectors i.e. TLV) During summer the last departure from Manchester is around 16.00 however from LBA it is up to 19.10 - accounting for the nature of the routes per base.

Passenger wise, LBA carries more passengers and has around 5/6 more flights per day than MAN but has a lower load factor due to the larger amount of city routes which have lower passenger numbers. As an operation, LBA is significantly larger still. Yes, MAN generally has bigger based aircraft than LBA but there are very little economies of scale. Each aircraft still needs the same number of tugs, steps, dispatchers, passenger agents, fuelers, ramp staff etc etc. So as an operation, LBA is still bigger than Manchester.

I personally do not think it is fair to say Leeds's own airline is struggling to find growth opportunities! I would say new routes to Berlin, Budapest & Gran Canaria along with Funchal & Bodrum last year is significant growth still. LBA has seen AMS & BFS routes cut from 12 to 9 weekly departures but this has been absorbed with frequency increases and timetable changes on other routes. There is little room for growth at LBA until the dire infrastructure is finally improved and finished so 2013 may be an interesting year. However the Jet2 product at LBA & MAN has reached an optimum, there is a very limited number of profitable new routes that can be added to these bases.

At the end of the day, I don't see why there is all the childish bickering between LBA & MAN, they serve different markets and compliment each other excellently. Now that Ryanair have descended on MAN, LBA will always be Jet2's. This is replicated with all airlines, their largest bases are often where their HQ is. Within the company it is well known that most routes from LBA perform stronger than MAN ones as LBA has a very diverse, financially rich local catchment area and has a higher concentration of extremely high yielding routes supported by business traffic. Manchesters route matrix consists of more leisure routes which are supported by Jet2Holidays which has a considerably lower profit margin on the flight part of the package. At the end of the day, who really cares which base is bigger or better? The Manchester guys, you really don't need to big yourselves up, we all know you have a much bigger and better airport all round - no need to get cocky! :ok:

[AndyH52]

Glad you agree I've proved my point then...

Yes, the spare aircraft should be regarded in the same way...but at the end of the day capacity is a combination of seats available in the based aircraft multiplied by the number of flights those aircraft operate.

Yes I may pick up on technicalities sometimes, but the devil, as they say, is often in the detail rather than the misleading headlines...

[BasilFawlty]

Will Exeter remain a 733QC or is the 733F coming back next season?

[PPRuNe Pop]

Delta, please stop this MAN is bigger etc., WE all know what it is. You are, on your own, winding people up - and I am getting complaints about you. I can do without the 'work.' Got it!?

[goldeneye]

What routes do LS use the 738 on from Glasgow.

[LPFR]

The 738 routes from Glasgow for this Summer will be Alicante, Malaga, Barcelona, Faro, Nice, Ibiza and Rome. Palma will be a mix of 738 and 757.

[EGAC_Ramper]

Regarding the BFS base I'm assuming this will remain B733 for the forseable future or would B738's go there too?

Regards

[Expressflight]

Can anyone confirm which aircraft will be operating the SEN-CGN-CRA Ford charters wef 9th January and what the scheduling is?

[delta154]

PPrune pop

Please delete account.

I fail to see the point of this being a discussion forum if you cannot discuss! People crying to daddy mod rather than stand up for themselves, its pathetic

And as fir Pprune pop, a mod that 'cannot be bothered to mod', says it all really!

[LBIA]

BBC News - Plane hit by bus shelter during storm at Edinburgh Airport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16411914)

I cannot believe that a Jet2, Boeing 737-300 parked up at Edinburgh Airport was hit and damaged by a bus shelter, which was blown over the fence yesterday.

It's a good job there were no passengers or ground crew around the aircraft when it happened. Otherwise this incident could have turned out a lot worse.

[MKY661]

Not again. First the 757 at LBA and now this.
Good news about nobody being hurt

[plasticAF]

Pity the beeb gave the wrong picture didn't think Edinburgh had -800's

[LEWIS APPLEBY]

Any truth in the rumour that Norwegian Air Shuttle 737-300 LN-KKQ currently at Southend for overhaul/painting is to go to Jet2?

[TCX69]

Also read off another forum that G-GDFG has also arrived and that one will be a Boeing 737-300 and painted into Jet2 Holidays colours.

Why do the new A|C keep getting painted into that awful livery?! :ooh: The ones leased from Allegiant I can understand, but the rest?

[MKY661]

Might be to save money. Jet2 may not want to paint it into the full colours yet. They hardly ever paint their leased aircraft into the full colours.

[chaps2011]

I actually quite like the Jet2 Holiday scheme, but the best sceme was the silver one at the begining

Ian

[Bill Bo Baggins]

From what I'm told the majority of the paying punters have said they like that scheme + the basic white scheme is easy to adapt if you want to lease an aircraft out,

BBB

[deltahotel9]

The white and red livery looks better than the battleship grey, especially on the 757 IMHO

[scotsunflyer]

I cannot believe that a Jet2, Boeing 737-300 parked up at Edinburgh Airport was hit and damaged by a bus shelter, which was blown over the fence yesterday.

Bus stop 4 in the long stay car park was blown over fence by the hurrriane force winds and hit the B733 that was on the stands opposite the car park

For those not in central Scotland on Tuesday morning, you only have to look at the pictures in the news to see the damage that was caused.

Not seen wind like this before, last year it was snow like this.

[FlyerFoto]

Interestingly, Dart Group's PA-31, G-IFIT, was on the NWI Business Centre's apron yesterday (5th).....

[BasilFawlty]

Most likely to bring crew for G-GDFF, which was ferried to OSL today according to skyliner-aviation.

[righthandrule]

That's strange, it arrived at LBA this afternoon and went into the Jet2 hangar for it's cabin fit...

[Barling Magna]

Jet2 Ford service from Southend starts on Monday, until late April. From the Air Humberside forum Movementman provides the following schedule:

ARR Sunday 1940L posn in empty from LGW & night stop
DEP Monday 0700L to CGN with pax
ARR Friday 1825L from CGN with pax
DEP Friday 1905L to LGW empty

Although the runway extension and new terminal are still a few weeks away from opening, it will be good to see a 737 flying regularly from SEN again. Air Malta was probably the last in the 1980s....

[BasilFawlty]

Thanks for the schedule. Does anyone know if the aircraft stays in Craiova until Friday or will they return empty?

[MKY661]

From what I'm told the majority of the paying punters have said they like that scheme + the basic white scheme is easy to adapt if you want to lease an aircraft out,

GDFF is also in Jet2Holidays colours. No winglets being added to it though:
Access blocked - Planespotters.net Just Aviation (http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=242477)

[EI-A330-300]

I much perfer the Silver livery on the 757 but the Jet2 Hoildays on the 757 looks bad. Jet2 Hoildays should be on the 738 and 733. The Silver on the 733 isn't great either realy only suits the 757.

[757 Speedbrakes]

Bit of a shame they all have to look so different! Can't think of many airlines that do have 3 or 4 different paint schemes!

[lbalad]

Personally,when Jet2 launched 9 years ago I thought their livery was fab.

Now I think the silver/grey scheme looks tired.I much prefer the Jet2holidays/Allegiant colours.Maybe it is time for a revamp?.

[SWBKCB]

and? Does anybody chose which airline to spend their money on because of what colour the planes are painted?

[enjoyflying]

I would, wouldn't want to fly on a Man UTD or Man City painted airplane lol:)

[LBIA]

I understand that Jet2 have now also acquired Boeing 737-800's EC-HKR and EC-HJP which are both ex Air Europa machines like G-GDFF which is currently parked on the Multiflight apron at LBA with her new seats installed.

[CabinCrewe]

....winglets ?

[LBIA]

Quoting CabinCrewe ....winglets ?

I understand that EC-HKR has wing-lets while EC-HJP dose not.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Are you sure of the airframes?
l understood all three ex Air Europa a/c were going to be without winglets, hence they would be based MAN for the summer.

[LBIA]

I'm not 100% sure, but it did come from a very reliable source Mr @ Spotty M.

By way, Where did you hear that the aircraft without wing-lets were all going to be based at Manchester?

I guess we will just have to wait and see what turns up and happens next summer with jet2. This is a rumours forum after all.

[CabinCrewe]

Would have thought at least one 738W would be at GLA

[MKY661]

Any truth in the rumour that Norwegian Air Shuttle 737-300 LN-KKQ currently at Southend for overhaul/painting is to go to Jet2?

Indeed it is. Will be G-GDFG :)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The reason l was told is performance issues out of GLA.

[dwlpl]

With all this coming and going what will the fleet strength be?

[LBIA]

See post 174 on page 9 off this jet2 thread dwlpl http://www.pprune.org/6933492-post174.html

Hope that's off help?

[LEWIS APPLEBY]

Thanks MKY661

The first Jet2 to visit Southend in anger, other than for overhaul or painting, positioned in last night to operate todays Ford charter.

[LBIA]

Heard today that Jet2 have snapped up another Boeing 737-800. This is said to be 12 year old ex Thomson Airways, G-CDZI which has just been returned to it's leassor.

[jethro15]

Heard today that Jet2 have snapped up another Boeing 737-800. This is said to be 12 year old ex Thomson Airways, G-CDZI which has just been returned to it's leassor.

That is correct

[BHD2BFS]

no sign of any new summer routes for belfast? they have been very quiet there in the last few years

[LBIA]

Hi


I understand that Jet2 have acquired a 2nd ex Norwegian Air Shuttle Boeing 737-3Y5, LN-KKC to be registered G-GDFH. She was built in 1993 and brand new to Air Malta.

[BasilFawlty]

Yes, it's in BEG now for maintenance.

Also G-GDFB has been painted in Jet2 Holidays c/s and G-GDFG has been painted in normal full c/s.

[Lsflyer]

Jet2 seem to be going all over at the minute. 757 due to return from recife in brazil tomorrow! anyone know what this was for?

[Up up and away]

Is it usual for the above flight on a Saturday (LS933) to have two separate flights sharing the same code? MAN website shows one flight dep. at 10.35 and another dep. at 13.00.

Is it just an extra flight they have put on to satisfy demand?

I have to drop the in-laws off and just want to check they have given me the right time ;)

Thanks

[Artie Fufkin]

lsflyer - I believe it was a charter for an oil company. (well, thats the cabin crew said :})

[JKKne]

Does anybody idea what LS6276 is? It's departing NCL at 14.30 and arriving back at 15:00.

Is it a training flight or a NCL board error?

[VentureGo]

It departed at 1504, then landed at 1520.!! source: Flightradar.

[flybar]

'Flying without fear' flight. Jet2 seem to provide a lot of these flights for Virgin

[JKKne]

I can't see 16 minutes being enough to conquer a fear of flying...

[Mr @ Spotty M]

16 minutes is plenty.
What l have seen on TV about flights like this, is panic when the doors close or during take-off and landing.

[righthandrule]

The whole point of the fear of flying courses are to successfully get people on the aircraft. Virgin run these courses in conjunction with Jet2 frequently and are always a huge success. The flight itself only last between 10-20 minutes. The aim is not to climb to 35,000 and cruise around for three hours. It is simply to get the door shut and the aircraft into the air.

All Jet2 charter flights have flight numbers LS2xxx or LS6xxx. The LS2xxx are charters that run on a frequent basis and the LS6xxx are the one off charters such as fear of flying or lapland trips. In response to 'up up and away's' post, are you sure it was not the LS2111 flight to Salzburg which runs on saturday afternoon for TUI?

There are some very interesting charters coming over the next few months, however I think the crew will agree that last weeks Brazil trip will take some beating!

[VentureGo]

Actually landed at 15:18 so only lasted 14 mins! --LS6xxx, Guess it Was "Fear of Flying" Course. These are duration of One full day, with refreshments and guest speakers from Virgin culminating in Flight. Cost approx. £250 per day: Virgin Atlantic helps with your Fear of Flying (http://flyingwithoutfear.info/thecourses.htm)

[TSR2]

Sorry guys I can't resist .....

Jet2 ... geriatric aircraft ... perhaps these courses are designed to induce a 'Fear of Flying'

Only joking honest.

[edi_local]

Spoken to a few people involved with these courses and apparently a lot of the people often only get as far as the gate and don't actually end up getting on the plane.

Seems like a lot of money to throw at something and then not go through with it in the end. If being surrounded by hundreds of other passengers in the airport who are just getting on with their flight as well as being reassured by professional and experienced staff still doesn't convince you then perhaps flying just isn't for you...

[The96er]

I remember a few years ago Dispatching a Fear of flying flight operated by Jet2 on behalf of BA from MAN. As all the passengers boarded, the plane went Tech requiring disembarkation and re boarding the serviceable aircraft on the next stand. Needless to say, not as many re boarded the other aircraft !! :E

[edi_local]

I remember a few years ago Dispatching a Fear of flying flight operated by Jet2 on behalf of BA from MAN. As all the passengers boarded, the plane went Tech requiring disembarkation and re boarding the serviceable aircraft on the next stand. Needless to say, not as many re boarded the other aircraft !!


Surely that could have been dressed up as part of the course? :p

Write it off as saying it's just showing them how to cope with a technical fault, or a delay or say it's a chance for them to see a different aircraft type. :}

[757 Speedbrakes]

The one thing you should never do is lie!!!! You don't have to go into all the details but lying will only make matters worse in the long run. Could you imagine if passengers found out? It'd spread like mad and be a PR disaster. There are some professions renowned for lying (laweys, estate agents et al) , thankfully pilots don't have that reputation - although it's been known on occasions, when they're off duty and at a bar!

[Up up and away]

In response to 'up up and away's' post, are you sure it was not the LS2111 flight to Salzburg which runs on saturday afternoon for TUI?

I don't think so, I got this direct from the MAN website:

Flight Times from Manchester Airport to Salzburg, W. A. Mozart Airport
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Days
Dep. Arr. Airline(s) Flight
Number Validity M T W T F S S
10:35 (T1) 13:45 Jet2 LS933 04/02/12 - 03/03/12
13:00 (T1) 16:10 Jet2 LS933 11/02/12 - 18/02/12

[Lsflyer]

There isn't 2 flights with the same number on that day. The schedule changes from the 11th onwards so the ls933 departs at 1 instead of 10.35 and changes to the 757. The way Manchester airport website has put it makes it look as though there are 2 but there's only one low cost one and one charter. Besides your parents will have the correct info on their tickets so go with what that says!

[take-off]

Anybody know whats p with ALicante flight from blackpool? Was supposed to have departed at 9:05, see it was still sat outside airport terminal at 10am, with not alot going on around it, when i went in morrisons, see on aena its now showing an arrival time of 18:44 now, instead of 13:00.

[LBIA]

Today's Jet2 BLK-ALC service LS739 is now been operated out of LBA. Passengers are on there way now. It has estimated departure time of 15:20

I understand that the inbound LS740 will also be diverted into LBA and is expected to arrive at 21:45. Passengers will then been coached back to BLK.

http://www.jet2.com/status.aspx

[take-off]

Was there an issue with yesterdays tfs flight from BLk too, see it was showing a midnight arrival back, did it go back to a different base?

[TSR2]

I have been monitoring the Jet2 prices on seats between Manchester and Faro during June before, during and after their recent 10% discount event.

24 hours before the discount began, the outbound headline fare was £95.99.

During the 10% discount event the headline fare increased to £105.99.

Within 24 hours of the end of the discount, the headline fare returned to £95.99.

Similar situation with return fares.

Con trick or what?

[MUFC_fan]

Con trick or what?


Tell that to Tesco, John Lewis, Currys, River Island and all the other household names on the UK high street.

It's how the world works. You really think that the companies knock that much money off of goods?

DFS would have been out of business years ago...

[TSR2]

Tell that to Tesco, John Lewis, Currys, River Island and all the other household names on the UK high street.

I must disagree with you on this one. The high street stores generally offer price reductions against their current stated prices. Jet2 in this instance have, in my opinion, deliberately raised their price in order to offer a discount. They would not be able to get away with policy if they had called it a sale.

[chaps2011]

TSR2 I agree with MUFC_fan and I work in the retail industry, reductions
are made on the highest price which may only be sold for a short period each
year.
You need a degree in maths and a good memory to get the good offers plus
plenty of spare time

Ian

[LBIA]

Just out of interest which Jet2 flight crews have been flying the Boeing 737-800, G-GDFF out of Leeds all this week..

Is it been done by Manchester crews or Leeds/Bradford's own based crews?

[Penworth]

Mainly Manchester crews as very few pilots at Leeds have been checked out on it yet. Took the 189 seat FF to Belfast the other day with 30 passengers on board - guess they just want to use it on short routes while they get used to operating it out of Leeds.

[MKY661]

Wernt they going to base the two 737-800W (The two currently at MAN) at GLA and then base the remaining three 737-800 (two which have yet to be delivered) at MAN?, or is this for the summer season.