One for the UK based pilots...

[dns]

Please consider adding your signature to this:

Relax airport security for aircraft crew - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19105)

[boofta]

You idiot, don't you realise pilots could get control of
their aircraft if you allow them;

water bottles
Toothpaste tubes over 100 grams
Those nail clippers over an inch long
Shaving foam without a cap on top

Just some of the stuff confiscated by security during
my travels.After the umteenth pat down, bull**** bomb
scan I delight in saying to security
"congratulations you have stopped me getting access
to the cockpit, you have saved another aeroplane"

Nothing will change by running petitions, morons don't
understand where pilots sit or what they do!

On another pat down occasion I commented that we have
a large razor sharp fireaxe in the cockpit, the moron
replied "we will have to confiscate that"

I kid you not

The rule makers are morons don't waste time appealing
to their small minds about pilot harassment or logic.

[Loose rivets]

Then of course there was the American skipper that got arrested for suggesting to a cop just one of the things he could do with the axe.


The one that takes the biscuit for me. (yes, I know) is the :mad:tards that took the sandwiches cos of excess mayonnaise. An impromptu return of a crewmember found them eating them.

[rsuggitt]

No.

As soon as security checks on aircrew are lightened, terrorist organisations will exploit this as a route of attack.

[Sussex Kestrel]

Don't know how terrorist organisations would exploit a potential relaxing of flight crew scanning. If you're suggesting using a crew member as a 'host' for carrying a suspect package then the effort and associated risk to a terrorist of being caught is far too high. How about catering? Take a look at any catering vehicle accessing an airside zone of any airport- if the catering truck came under the same scrutiny as a member of flight crew then said truck would be impounded at security for hours whilst checks were undertaken. Surely that would be a better 'host' for a terrorist to use. Security at any catering depot or warehouse i'm not for one moment suggesting is poor. Not for me to comment.

As a crew member I willingly walk through the scanner, place my bag on the x-ray belt, show my I.D, converse with security in a pleasant and polite manner- only to then have my shoes removed, my bag pulled apart, my headset swob tested and the inside of my belt checked. A full 'rubdown' on occasions puts the cherry on the cake. Why? Because it fits with the standard routine of checking passengers. We, as flight crew, are part of the herd. To have a different set of rules for us would show that the powers above have a set of balls, can handle different elements of security screening and are open to practical, common sense security- security that won't be exploited.


Security for flight crew needs to be pragmatic- bag x-rayed, I.D checked, I am who my I.D states I am. The powers that be don't want to embrace the fact that we, as flight crew, can be a huge part of maintaining a high standard of security.

Don't get me started on high vis jackets being undone....... :ugh:

[fireflybob]

Some simple ways of getting the message across:-

Make all legislators, politicians (yes including all government ministers!) MPs go through exactly the same sort of screening on a daily basis when they require access to their workplace.

If you asked train drivers and railway signallers to be subject to this sort of treatment on a daily basis, you'd see and immediate 24 hour strike and the whole network brought to a standstill and then it would all be sorted pronto.

If pilots had the unity to do the same, we'd see some pretty rapid changes overnight.

Security for flight crew needs to be pragmatic- bag x-rayed, I.D checked, I am who my I.D states I am. The powers that be don't want to embrace the fact that we, as flight crew, can be a huge part of maintaining a high standard of security.


Sussex kestrel - agree 100%

[Pull what]

I am who my I.D states I am

Thats got to be the quote of the millenium!

I know what about ID cards for everyone-then guess what, no need for airport security!

[Sussex Kestrel]

Hey Pull What,

Share your simple thoughts with a simpleton. I think i'll try to explain.

If you used my I.D (airline, flight crew, LGW) to try and get through security then, unless you share my exact good looks of a man (which is doubtful) :cool:, you won't get through. :ugh:

Kin elll..........