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Lima Juliet
11th Oct 2011, 22:55
The poor little lambs...

The new, tougher expenses regime is damaging MPs' "mental wellbeing", the doctor who looks after them has said.

Dr Ira Madan told a committee looking into the system that its "frustrations and difficulties" had increased workloads but decreased rewards.

She also said MPs were tired of being the butt of jokes about their expenses.


I believe we should make them come in at 0600hrs for met, plan a 4 ship OCA mission, fly it and then debrief it - then do the expenses claim on the piece of sh!t they call JPA having been in work 8 hours.

Sympathy? Yeh, it's between sh!t and syphalis...:*

LJ

Seldomfitforpurpose
11th Oct 2011, 22:57
Do you find JPA fit for purpose and easy to use :confused:

Lima Juliet
11th Oct 2011, 23:01
.........nope......:confused:

ShyTorque
11th Oct 2011, 23:05
Seldom FFP?

Dengue_Dude
12th Oct 2011, 11:38
Your heart just leaks purple p1ss for them doesn't it?

They're probably struggling because they're not sure which scams are still goers and which are not.

But . . . we misjudge them. They only wish to serve, to do what little they can to make this a better place and have just the odd trip with their boyfriend . . .

higthepig
12th Oct 2011, 11:59
Dr Ira Madan told a committee looking into the system that its "frustrations and difficulties" had increased workloads but decreased rewards.


And what rewards are they entitled too? I am out of pocket now for each temp duty away, where in JPA is the rewards box, I'm not ticking it obviously.

airborne_artist
12th Oct 2011, 12:24
Hig - you've been looking in the wrong place - but here it is just for you:

http://www.eventelephant.com/uploadedImages/Attendee2.jpg

higthepig
12th Oct 2011, 14:03
AA,
Thank you.

All my claims have been audited since the I tried to blag a floating duck island off incidentals, I will look more closely for the check box next time.;)

Vim_Fuego
12th Oct 2011, 15:19
Well this sorted out my until now anger-free day...Poor lambkins.

What the Fug
12th Oct 2011, 15:46
Sorry but when they learn to behave like adults they will be treated like adults, untill that time they must suck it up.

Tankertrashnav
12th Oct 2011, 19:58
I believe we should make them come in at 0600hrs for met,


0600? - You were lucky!

When I were a lad on t'tankers, when we 'ad a trail on, by six o'clock in't morning we'd been in t'ops block for nigh on two hours slavin over an 'ot flight plan.

0600? Luxury! We dreamt about 0600 starts ;)

goudie
12th Oct 2011, 20:48
by six o'clock in't morning we'd been in t'ops block for nigh on two hours slavin over an 'ot flight plan.

Aye and poor buggers like me 'ad been slavin' away two hours afore that, getting soddin' aircraft ready. We loved 6 o'clock in't morning. It were coming oop fur dinnertime for the poor bloody lineys.;)

ACW599
12th Oct 2011, 22:06
>We loved 6 o'clock in't morning. It were coming oop fur dinnertime for the poor bloody lineys<

Dinnertime? Luxury! We 'ad to do 48hr straight shifts sweepin' t' runway on one slice o' black pudding and a pint of waste AVTUR each.

cribble
12th Oct 2011, 22:24
Waste AVTUR? Luxury...we 'ad to make do wi' Aussy beer t' wash down OUR black puddin.

Vim_Fuego
13th Oct 2011, 10:25
Right.............I had to get up 6 hours before I went to bed, fix my own aircraft, file t'flight plan, produce my own fuel by lactating avtur, Lick t'runway clean wit tongue then push t'aircraft into t'sky before leaping on't board...and after all that t'nav would still not make a pot of t'tea!

Biggus
13th Oct 2011, 11:16
While I have no wish to follow on the "4 yorkshiremen" sketch and try to "top" anyone else, I can, in total honesty, say that I once, due a shortage of personnel, had to work, along with a few others, a shift pattern that consisted of 72hrs on, 72hrs off.

This went on for about 6 weeks until the manning situation improved.

I'm not saying it was hard, or that I didn't sleep at all during my 72hrs "on", but I am saying that it actually happened......

Tell youngsters that today - and they won't believe you...!

Dengue_Dude
13th Oct 2011, 11:30
Waste AVTUR? Luxury...we 'ad to make do wi' Aussy beer t' wash down OUR black puddin.


Oh, that really is beyond the pale (ale?) You poor sods. That's what most Aussies are doing over here - trying to get a decent pint of the dark and crisps that taste like Cheese and Onion.

bobward
13th Oct 2011, 11:32
What the fug,
Bearing in mind the certain allegations flying around, the latter end of your post might be misconstrued.....:eek::=

SRENNAPS
13th Oct 2011, 11:39
a shift pattern that consisted of 72hrs on, 72hrs off.

Maybe I am being stupid and/or your post portrays a more simplistic view of what actually happened to require a 72 on/72 off shift pattern, but as you were able to operate two shifts what would have been the difference in operating 24 on/24 off or even 12 on/12 off?? You would have had the same number of people!

As I said I might not be seeing the full picture here, so apologies.

As an aside, I used to love my 24 on/24 off Nuke QRA shifts and even better Deci shifts which we also used in the Gulf, Nellis and Alaska. We did try them once in Goose Bay but that was too hard.

St Johns Wort
13th Oct 2011, 12:13
How long before the first MP suffers Expenses Claim induced PTSD? Its got to be worth a claim!:)

Ron Cake
13th Oct 2011, 16:06
TankerTrash Nav. quote: 'When I were a lad on t'tankers, when we 'ad a trail on, by six o'clock in't morning we'd been in t'ops block for nigh on two hours slavin over an 'ot flight plan.'


Yes, and then you'd get the Marham - Marham slot (ie Nice and return) and be back home for lunch. Sounds like an easy life to me.

langleybaston
13th Oct 2011, 16:15
I believe we should make them come in at 0600hrs for met, plan a 4 ship OCA mission, fly it and then debrief it - then do the expenses claim on the piece of sh!t they call JPA having been in work 8 hours.

Why bother with Met? At least aircrew pretended to understand what we said! Most MPs are as thick as two short planks, and not so useful.

Tankertrashnav
13th Oct 2011, 17:13
Yes, and then you'd get the Marham - Marham slot (ie Nice and return) and be back home for lunch. Sounds like an easy life to me.

Hmm - just checked the logbook - how about:

7 March 1974 - Panther Trail N 103 - MR - Trapani - MR - 6.35 mins,

And IIRC that was the occasion when they cocked up the inflights and all we had was 2 packets of Maltesers to share. Aircrew feeder closed when we landed :{

Still, no doubt I was able to catch up on a few ZZZs on the way back ;)