Who is using there Ipad for flying?

[Contacttower]

I've recently started experimenting with using my iPad (well actually my girlfriends ;)) for displaying plogs and approach plates etc. I bought a knee board style holder for it which has hard surface to write on at the front and overall it seems to work quite well. Its not 3G one though so I'm still reliant on wifi for checking the weather etc.

Has anyone else started using them and if so what apps do you use and how do they integrate into your other flight planning/cockpit resources?

[BackPacker]

Air Nav Pro, iAIP, Aeroweather and a few more or less generic tools for viewing the AIP, filing flight plans, checking the weather, reserving the aircraft and so forth.

Recent thread here:

http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/454254-ipad-2-air-nav-pro.html

Get the 3G version with the integrated GPS!

[AdamFrisch]

It's my main navigational tool! I have recently bought a holder and will attach it to the dash in a more permanent fashion. I have a GNC 300XL as a backup (and com), but the database is like 5 years old so can't be relied on.

[IO540]

I have tried and tried to use an Ipad2...

It works well as an approach plate display device (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/peterh337/ipad2-v-ls800-1.jpg) - basically it makes an excellent PDF document reader.

What the above pic doesn't show is that while the LS800 (a long outdated product costing £1800+VAT in 2005) remains readable even in direct sunlight (http://www.peter2000.co.uk/ls800/ls800-sunlight.jpg), the Ipad is nearly invisible in that case, and that is with the £25 matt filter on it (in the above pic).

So, in a cockpit with big windows, and sunshine (in high altitude IFR one is in sunshine 99% of the time) one has to orientate an Ipad suitably, and this is sometimes awkward. But it clearly works.

However I also try to use it as a moving map GPS, because that is primarily what my LS800 does. On it, I have the "real printed" VFR charts for all of Europe, so I can always see airports, CAS, terrain, etc for emergency use, and for VFR hacking around the UK.

And it fails miserably there, because I have not yet found any way to run European VFR charts (of whatever origin, legal or not) on it. Once Oziexplorer becomes available for IOS, that will solve that issue, but currently only MM runs, and with only UK maps.

And the built-in GPS is crap. It gets a fix OK in the air, after a few mins, but it loses it readily too, and MM does not indicate this. You just notice the map has stopped moving.... I made some enquiries and apparently the IOS API does not pass the application the detailed satellite status, which sounds incredible :ugh:

I have never seen a GPS that bad. Many GPSs integrated into electronic products won't get a fix when airborne (satellite phone GPSs chief among them, rendering the phone useless) when switched on, but to just lose it randomly is unusual.

So one would have to use an external GPS. I already have a nice bluetooth one, running off a proper rooftop antenna but of course the Apple Politburo decided to not support serial NMEA so it doesn't work. You have to get a special GPS, and none of them have an external antenna input.

So I have given up on the GPS for now, and carry the Ipad sometimes as an approach plate backup. All the main routepack data is still printed on paper :) Which makes sense because if you have it on an Ipad, you need a backup for that, but you don't need a backup for paper.

The Ipad will also shut down if too warm. A number of pilots have reported this. It may be related to the use of the plastic flip-cover sleeve.

The Ipad also doesn't have any way to use a satellite phone to get weather. A jailbroken one probably can...

The Ipad cannot do SMS, which is a little hassle when using flight plan filing services which use SMS notifications. It can receive network-originated SMS (http://www.zen74158.zen.co.uk/ipad-sms/) but otherwise Apple have blocked SMS functionality deliberately. A jailbroken Ipad does full SMS (http://www.iphonehacks.com/2010/08/swirlymessage-allows-users-to-send-and-receive-sms-and-mms-from-jailbroken-ipad.html).

As regards the Ipad's other applications, you either love it or hate it :) It was super for hammering the JAA IR question bank (e.g. Air Law 37 times) while lying on a beanbag, and it's good for document reading anywhere. It's OK for primitive email usage. It's a very good web browser (with some incompatibility issues with sites on which IE and FF work OK). It has some curious issues (http://www.pprune.org/computer-internet-issues-troubleshooting/461400-iphone-ipad-wifi-gprs-3g-problems.html) (shared with an Iphone4) on auto selection between GPRS/3G and WIFI when both are available, or just available, which sometimes mean you get no internet at all, unless you disable one or the other.

It also cannot connect to a standard bluetooth phone (Nokia E51) for internet access; this is a pity as when abroad one doesn't always want to buy a separate EU Data Bundle just for the SIM card in the Ipad. It works fine with an E585 (http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/4874/3-mi-fi-mobile-wi-fi-e585) which is a very good solution for all kinds of travel stuff.

Oh I nearly forgot... I hate Itunes :) It's one of the most horridly written windoze apps. Fortunately there are programs (http://www.macroplant.com/iphoneexplorer/) which can transfer data to an Ipad directly - with various limitations.

[SDB73]

I agree with IO540 on the whole.

For some reason, the iPad seems to me to just feel "not suited" to air navigation.

It can physically do it all, AirNav Pro will run UK charts, and as long as you're happy with north up (which I personally am), they're completely fine. As IO says it's great as a doc reader for plates, etc.

But somehow it just doesn't feel solid enough.

The visibility I also concur is pretty poor in the sun - something I guess it's just not meant for, and there is a polarisation issue if you wear polarised glasses, depending on which orientation you have it.

It's too big to be mounted up high, and too difficult to use mounted on your leg (again, just in my opinion).

But I will say that I've had mixed experiences with the GPS, and from my experience it may work fine in your aeroplane (As I've seen it work fine in some), but in mine it doesn't, and loses position fairly regularly - probably would be fine if mounted high?

The apps you need to make it work fairly well are pretty expensive, but most of them have a free version to allow you to trial them.

I certainly wouldn't buy an iPad to use as an in flight tool, but if you already have an iPad you owe it to yourself to try it out at least.

[Contacttower]

It works well as an approach plate display device - basically it makes an excellent PDF document reader.

Are you using the special Jeppesen app that allows you to use JeppView? At the moment since I don't have an electronic Jeppesen sub I'm just downloading AIP plates into iBooks, which actually works OK, but I assume there are other apps which are better for viewing approach plates?

I don't really have any interest in using it as a GPS since its unlikely that I would ever be flying an aircraft without a panel mounted one and when I do I have a handheld Garmin anyway which obviously works better.

I guess especially for IFR flight the essential issue is the back-up of the plates, I did use it without a back up for a very short IFR flight recently when I knew I would be in visual conditions the whole time. Some things like the enroute or VFR chart I'm never going to give up the paper one but for plates what would people consider to be a sensible approach? At the moment I generally print destination and alternate.

I noticed that EuroFPL now let you download entire countries worth of AIP plates, I did that onto my computer but I couldn't get it to load onto the iPad and the 'iPad' link didn't seem to work (which I'll contact them about) which would be great because then one would never have to worry about being caught without plates.

BackPacker have you used iAIP?

[BackPacker]

I bought iAIP and gave it two stars in my review. On the one hand it's a bit more convenient than downloading and browsing a countries AIP with generic tools, on the other hand a few days after I bought it NL went to a new AIRAC cycle which broke iAIP. (fixed now)

It's cheap and sort of fulfills it purpose but honestly, yes, I wouldn't miss it if it wouldn't exist.

[IO540]

Are you using the special Jeppesen app that allows you to use JeppView?No; that was just a PDF printed from (I think; somebody gave it to me) Jeppview, running under Goodreader in the Ipad case. The LS800 has a UK only sub.

I have no interest in giving Jepp ~ £2000/year for a European sub, which is the cost no matter how you get the data - JV3, some MFD sub, or the Ipad viewer.

[tmmorris]

Contacttower - try Goodreader, much better than iBooks. Not free, though.

I've played with iCharts (EAG, private subscriptions not available yet but you can use the sample data) and the Jeppesen app - indistinguishable, really. AIP charts don't display well on the iPad, too fiddly.

I had a play with my iPad on Wednesday in the sunshine at Gloucester (that was me in the blue and white PA28 from about 1015-1115, if you were there!) and found it

a. too big to yoke mount on a PA28 - barely fits in the space!
b. too big to mount on the glareshield
c. fits nicely on my kneepad

so I think I will be looking further at EFB uses for it, and buying a proper aviation GPS (Skydemon?) to replace my Airmap 1000 now the latter doesn't get any database updates (gee thanks, Lowrance...)

Tim

[Contacttower]

I'm guessing from the relatively few replies that the answer to many original question is not many; which I find a bit surprising considering that regular users of an internet forum are likely to be more technology orientated I would have thought.

Contacttower - try Goodreader, much better than iBooks. Not free, though.

Thanks, it was only $4.99 so not a big deal. Downloaded it and then with the app's download manager I was able to download the EuroFPL regional chart pack for France for example. Granted the charts are not as good as the Jeppesen ones but unlike the UK ones they are complete (ie have RVR mins and don't need system minima adding to the MDAs) and ready to use.

As far as the issue with the screen in bright sunlight is concerned I have only found it a problem if the screen is very smeared from repeated use. Give it a wipe with your sleeve or something now and again and I find it to be readable. I appreciate that in some cockpits with a lot more window space than the C182 and PA28 that I have used it in readability might be more of an issue though.

This (http://www.transair.co.uk/sp+iPro-Aviator-Kneeboard-for-the-Apple-iPad-iPad-2+2218) is what I've been using in the cockpit to hold the iPad. Only thing it lacks is a pen holder.

[BackPacker]

I'm guessing from the relatively few replies that the answer to many original question is not many;

There were at least two recent threads about the iPad on here. I have linked to one of them earlier on. There's not a lot that happened in the iPad world inbetween those threads and this one so I'm guessing a lot of people choose not to duplicate their posts.

Anyway, yes, the iPad has its limits and I'm pretty sure there are better devices to be found if you need a dedicated navigation tool. What appeals to me however is the versatility of the device. To a large extent it's the only electronic device I take with me on flying trips, holidays, work, hobby and whatnot. I use it for flight planning, flight execution, watching videos, listening to music, sketching, taking pictures, Geocaching, playing games, reading books, doing presentations (with an iPad<->VGA cable), annotating PDFs I have to review, photo album, browsing the web, twitter, catching up with the news, planning car and public transport journeys and so on and so forth.

[Contacttower]

True, although the previous threads seemed to be specific to particular software and uses, I was just tying to get a broader view of what people where using them for and how. Thanks for you input BP (and others...) :ok:

[RWY AHEAD]

Paul Bertorelli for AVweb reviewed the original iPad after release for use as an EFB in flight here:

iPad Review (Warts and All) - YouTube

And a few months later compared it to Garmin's GPSmap 696 here:

iPad vs. Garmin GPSMAP 696 in the Cockpit - YouTube

He raises some good points about the practicality of an iPad in the cockpit like others have said, and how the readability in sun light is an issue, although it does have it's uses...
Drinks tray anyone?? :}

[Humaround]

SDB73 said "AirNav Pro will run UK charts, and as long as you're happy with north up (which I personally am), they're completely fine."

ANP can do track up - it's a little symbol in the top left corner.

I find ANP pretty good, even on a brightish day (yesterday) en route to Sywell in a Jodel. Certainly better than cheap colour GPS (Aware).

One strange thing - I couldn't find any way to reverse a route?

Something else - ANP often crashes (disappears) shortly after loading - if it gets past the first few seconds, it's fine after that. Anyone else get this?

[Ultra long hauler]

I'm guessing from the relatively few replies that the answer to many original question is not many; which I find a bit surprising considering that regular users of an internet forum are likely to be more technology orientated I would have thought.

I hear ya!!
Recently I started a thread about avionics (Dynon) etc and only 2 people and a tin of beans replied.
I would have thought there is more interest for stuff like that…….on a site like PPRune.

I've recently started experimenting with using my iPad (well actually my girlfriends ;)

Same here, my girlfriend´s I-pad, without 3G, just WiFi.


Has anyone else started using I-pad and if so what apps do you use and how do they integrate into your other flight planning/cockpit resources?

To answer your question, in my case: no!
Where I fly, the readability in bright sunlight is a major issue.
I saw a beautiful suction cup system for the Ipad in a magazine the other day, but it´s just not worth it if I can´t read the screen for many hours a day.

Instead I robbed a bank and went for the Garmin 695, and that one is BRIGHT indeed! I guess I got a bit of a tan just playing with it the other day.

###Ultra Long Hauler###

[IO540]

Here (http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/peterh337/ipad-ai.jpg) is another Iphone/Ipad application.

It is a bit of a joke, because the plane has to be carefully levelled, and then you press the middle of the "instrument" and that levels it.

[BackPacker]

Here is another Iphone/Ipad application.

Got that too. It's a gimmick, no use in real flying. But I think I paid two bucks for it, so I'm not going to delete it (just yet).

[Genghis the Engineer]

An artificial horizon should not be trusted at-all on a flat device because it's based upon accelerometers and not any form of gyroscope.

I have one (free) on my Android phone, fun to play with, absolutely untrustworthy for flight use.

G

[BackPacker]

Doesn't the iPad include a few gyroscopes? Electronic ones, sure, not those with spinning masses, but still? I though it did, in addition to linear acceleratometers.

Edited: Apple themselves does claim so.

Apple - iPad 2 - View the technical specifications for iPad 2. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/)

[dutch crosswind]

Here (in Thailand) a waste of money. No VFR charts, no approach plates, no weather. Too much sun and always between 35 and 40 degrees..
It's only for the US.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Doesn't the iPad include a few gyroscopes? Electronic ones, sure, not those with spinning masses, but still? I though it did, in addition to linear acceleratometers.

Edited: Apple themselves does claim so.

Apple - iPad 2 - View the technical specifications for iPad 2. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/)

I'd be surprised, but easy to check.

Have a passenger (in your car) hold it against your car's dashboard. On a level but straight bit of road, accelerate - if it shows a pitch change, it's failed and is using accelerometers, not a gyro.

Now drive the car round a few sharpish bends, if it shows a bank angle, again it's taking its data from accelerometers, and has failed.

My Android phone failed both tests. I wouldn't have expected otherwise, but it was interesting to do.

G

[IO540]

There is no fundamental difference between what can be achieved with solid state gyros (one (http://www.silicondesigns.com/tech.html) of many many examples) and ones with rotating masses.

The fact that the Iphone/Ipad apps are naff is a separate issue.

The difference appears to be self erection, or lack of. Both vacuum and electric horizons incorporate mechanisms which cause them to sense the direction of gravity and causes them to erect after startup.

Obviously this mechanism is weak and takes a long time (especially on electric ones, which is why they usually have a "cage" knob) otherwise the instrument would be useless as it would always point up according to the instantaneous "gravity" vector :)

It is possible to sense gravity "electronically" but I don't think that's how digital spirit levels work - this (http://www.baumarktwissen.eu/bosch/ew-wissen/content/subjects/1500_questions_and_answers/measuring_technology/inclination_measuring/33/index_eng.html) suggests they use a liquid filled container. OTOH my Pentax K5, and apparently the Iphone/Ipad, have small size solid state sensors. Not all that accurate on my K5 incidentally, which is a few degrees out :) I cannot see any way to sense gravity without having moving parts. But even if you have that info, the Iphone/Ipad apps don't appear to use it for any kind of slow self erection.

I am not a specialist in AHRS but I gather that avionics manufacturers deal with this issue in complex ways, by introducing airdata, or GPS. Aspen seems to use airdata and if they see a constant static pressure (altitude), a constant pitot (speed), and a constant heading, they assume you are straight and level :) Garmin seem to use GPS and derive level flight from constant GPS altitude, ground speed, and track. I've had discussions with some avionics manufacturers regarding making a replacement for the notorious KI-256 horizon (which is used as a pitch/roll source for loads of autopilots and presents a certification nightmare to any attempt to substitute it) and they all report that they could not get certification without introducing either airdata or GPS.

[Spit161]

I won't use mine - I don't like the idea for some reason.

cheers,
Jake.

[LeeP-PA28]

Since passing my PPL, I started to used my iPad as a 'tool' in the cockpit - either for airfield diagrams from the NATS website, for using memory-map in conjunction with my 1:500K as well as when accompanying other pilots as another means of confirming where we are (our club aircraft have no GPS, so it'll all cross-cuts, NDB and VOR/DME which, when flying on your own in IMC can sometimes put the pilot workload up high.

I certainly don't use mine as a sole reference system, it's there to confirm what I already know. My plog is always both on the iPad (in the AirNav pro software) and printed in front of me. I've recently passed my ICM rating and since then, it's become more useful. I print my approach plates off and keep them in my bag, but I like being able to flip between the moving map and my JeppView app on there. One thing I have found with flying in IMC is it's all very well and good whilst things go to plan, but when one is told to 'turn NOW xxx degrees' to which you're then left there for 5 minutes or diverted left right and centre when in controlled airspace, pilot workload is high to then locate yourself, put yourself back on track. I like being able to glance down and confirm that I am where I believe I am, and then use my plotted line to confirm my VOR tracking or whatever else I am doing at the time.

I was using an iPad (1) wifi only version for about 2 months with the bluetooth receiver without any hassle at all. I did, however, when flying over Windermere in 7/8 IMC have the GPS lock up on me, and no matter how many times I tried it wouldn't reset. So it was down to VOR/DME to fly back - not a problem as I wasn't relying on it but it certainly made me realise it cannot be relied upon.

I've since bought an additional bluetooth dongle which both are kept fully charged and inside the pocket on the aircraft incase of said incident in the future. I'm now flying with an iPad 2 (wifi only again) which is a lot snappier than before, Ive not had a single application hang or crash on me yet when flying and life is good.

I don't know why people are complaining about the matte cover either - see below, this was today but in IMC and in bright sunlight. I've not had any bother yet with viewing the screen, and have been at about 2/3 brightness all day today.

Cheers
Lee

http://www.rollingroadphotography.co.uk/flying/fly8.jpg

http://www.rollingroadphotography.co.uk/flying/fly4.jpg

[LeeP-PA28]

Is anyone using a yoke mount for theirs? I did have a kneeboard but scrapped it due to the weight / none breathable plastic! I've heard that RAM do one, but cannot find one anywhere yet...

EDIT: ignore, just ordered one!

[Heliport]

Spit161

I won't use mine - I don't like the idea for some reason.

As you don't yet have a PPL, that's a sensible decision.

[blagger]

I've been using the circle to land app for AIP stuff, seems pretty good and has europe stuff for those that want it.

[ronturner]

Just come into to the "i" age with an iPAD2 and am totally converted to the total concept. I could not care less about aspects of the tecnology, programming or software. It does what I want, and the user interface is fine.
I have the wifi version only. Not needed the 3G version, up to now and save a lot of money not having to pay the monthly fee (In France about 39 Euro per month and not including roaming charges for overseas.)
Given we use the iPAD for many things, remote access of email, web surf, access to BBC Iplayer etc, I also get for little extra cost a fantastic flight planning tool, GPS and moving map facility for use in my Cessna 172. The high wings give plenty of shade from the sun to use it practically. I bought a bluetooth GNS 5870, GPS receiver from Transair, using a £20 money off voucher , Air Nav Pro for about 30 Euro. a full set of French charts for 25 Euro. Airfield charts downloaded free. Live meteo I cannot get but of course I can consult those TAFs I have saved in my route plan.
I do not do a lot of flying, maybe 100 hours a year, and all VFR, so for me this is a perfect way of proving that the line I have on my paper chart is being followed accurately, or not as the case may be. I have no negatives to report from either the iPad or the GNS 5870

[S-Works]

I have been using mine for ages. iPad 2 with 3G and therefore GPS.

I run AirNavPro for VFR work with the CAA charts in the UK and the various official charts you can buy from the app for European coverage. Shock horror, yes you have to buy stuff......

I use the Jepp FD application for Airwys stuff, Goodreader for AIP viewing and Memory Map for quick fix look ups.

I never have a problem with GPS coverage, always locks and works just fine. I rarely ever fly bubble canopy type aircraft so don't have readability problems, although I should imagine on a bright day in a fish bowl it will be difficult.

I have a double sucker mounting arm that ingot from eBay that sticks to the windscreen and allows me to put it in position where I can see and use it but not interfere in the cockpit. I use the same sucker to attach it to the window of my Defender when off roading and it has stuck like a limpet! So no worries about securing it!! Memory map with the Landranger charts comes into play again here, so a multi use app!

It is still an immature area but the potential is huge and it is good to see developers embracing it. Exciting times.

[rocco16]

BoseX, is the mount you mention this one?

DUAL SUCTION MOUNT CAR HOLDER MOUNT FOR APPLE IPAD 2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUAL-SUCTION-MOUNT-CAR-HOLDER-MOUNT-APPLE-IPAD-2-/170667303125?pt=UK_iPad_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item27bc9060d5#ht_2473wt_1139)

I wanted to check it worked OK and did not suffer from wobbling around too much.

Cheers, CC.

[S-Works]

Yep, thats the one, work just fine in the aircraft and even in the Defender off road which is 'severe' CAT!! :p:p

[Swissconsult]

Bose X please

I run AirNavPro for VFR work with the CAA charts in the UK and the various official charts you can buy from the app for European coverage. Shock horror, yes you have to buy stuff......

How did you get digital CAA Charts on the Web, and how you get them into Airnav Pro Program?
Info and breaking in is highly appreciated
Thanks in advance.

[reimomo]

Let´s offroad - YouTube

[mushroom69]

I use mine all the time with the Jeppesen FD, as I fly IFR. No problems with any aspect, in fact..

Compared to the constant revisions of Jepp manuals, which is now a 15 minute one click exercise, it is a dream.. Battery life is great and in testing, we simply cannot use it enough to wear out the battery, even with two 7 hour legs. Of course, we can also plug it in, in our aircraft (and most have a "cigarette lighter" type receptacle" and an adapter can be bought for the USB cable.

With the new FD from Jepp, we also have Ll the en route charts in either low or high level. Fantastic. Never had a hang up of any sort. Did discover that after downloading the revision, I had to turn the iPad completely off, then on again, in order to get the charts.

I use OnTime, for quick answers to the question.."I need to be in Hong Kong Tuesday, for a meeting at 10 local time. When do we need to leave Kiev?" ....or "What is the flight time London to Accra?" I had it on my iPhone, which could be quickly accessed and made me se em like the oracle of wisdom!

I have an app for converting snow tams to real language and a icing programme for HOT. I have not used it, but one of the pilots has a GPS linked via Bluetooth.

My iPad has reduced my use of a computer by 90%, and is easy to carry everywhere. I have Navigon for Europe and North America and so where-ever I am, I can rent a car and find my way. It is also installed on 3 iPhones, and another iPad, so I think it is also a great buy. Better than most installed GPS, makes the iPad " free," compared to buying a dedicated GPS and updates are Free!

I recently fired it up for the taxi driver in Paris, as he couldn't find the right way to go. He was impressed!

Also iTranslate is an amazing app. Translates to many languages which allows me to write in English and they can read it in Russian, Arabic, French, or any other language. My Russian only flight attendant and I would carry on "conversation" over the table by writing (installed a Russian keyboard for her) and passing the iPad back and forth. I have a French, Danish, Russian and English keyboard and laugh at people that cannot find a use for the iPad as a writing instrument!

Happy flying!

[S-Works]

Caa VFR Charts
Bose X please

Quote:
I run AirNavPro for VFR work with the CAA charts in the UK and the various official charts you can buy from the app for European coverage. Shock horror, yes you have to buy stuff......
How did you get digital CAA Charts on the Web, and how you get them into Airnav Pro Program?
Info and breaking in is highly appreciated
Thanks in advance.

You can purchase the charts from within the app. Click on the settings and choose the map store. There are hundreds of free maps and terrain as well as the ability to buy the official maps. I bought the UK CAA and the French maps. Downloaded the free maps for other countries.

[trex600]

If jailbroken can you get the app's and UK CAA charts for free?

[S-Works]

Dunno. As the CAA charts are copyright acquiring them for free unless donated by the CAA would be a breach of copyright and therefore theft. The application is also a paid for application and as I can't see the authors giving that away for free to jailbroken iPad users then I guess you would be aiming to steal that as well....

What I can tell you is that you can purchase the charts in the app using your iTunes account with the greatest of ease. In the global scheme of things a pretty paltry sum. The application is not a .59p app but I think it is a pretty reasonable price. I know this is a funny concept, but a developer develops some software and sells it at a reasonable price, if it sells and makes the developer some money then they continue to develop it and the product gets better and better which seems to be the case with AirNavPro. Steal it and what is there incentive to keep developing it?

I know its an unfair old world, but hey I don't go to work for free either..... ;);)

[CharlieDeltaUK]

Well said Bose-X. If we rip off suppliers, we will get what we deserve.

[IO540]

Except that the Ipad version of Memory Map is a function-crippled piece of crap.

A lot of Ipad software is a function-crippled crap. It has to be crippled to a large degree to work with the finger interface, but MM is a particularly poor implementation.

The fact that the Ipad GPS API doesn't appear (I am told) to deliver satellite constellation data means the app is even worse than it might be when it comes to notifying loss of GPS fix, which consequently MM doesn't bother with at all.

And the Ipad GPS is not all that good, frequently losing a fix after it had one earlier.

But to answer the Q, there is no known (to me) source of QCT versions of 2011 CAA charts. I have come across a 2010 one for all of the UK in one piece, but 2011 charts exist only in Oziexplorer versions (scanned in, evidently) and OziEx does not (yet) exist for the Ipad.

There is a prog for the Ipad which reads Ozi (OZF2) files but it doesn't support most of the Ozi map calibration schemes, so is basically useless.

Jailbreaking the Ipad is of no help in this context. It makes it easy to copy across apps and more importantly makes it easy to drag/drop data files into the app workspaces which is otherwise inaccessible except officially via that virus called Itunes :)

[trex600]

The reason i ask is the ebay ipad i'm looking at buying is advertised as 'can be jailbroken' and when i asked a friend what this means he said it means you can get the app's for free (which i found hard to believe but now i understand it's a form of theft) Being in the music industry i know first hand how this type of thing effects the game..
T6

[S-Works]

IO, we are talking about AirNavpro. I do agree that MM is not the greatest bit of software, its nothing more than a map viewer with a GPS overlay.

The discussion was around AirNavPro which is a totally different kettle of fish and I personally think worth every penny especially as it is under constant development and gets better with every release. The author really seems to listen to feedback and fixes bugs very quickly.

However to be frank I can't condone stealing intellectual or physical property regardless of whether we think it is crap or not. If it's crap don't use it but don't steal it to make a point......

[IO540]

Apple like to say the warranty becomes void following a JB but I can't see how, because you can restore it to its previous state with Itunes.

The only time you might get caught out is if it has failed in some way so Itunes no longer talks to it, but Apple can still get inside, and show that it is jailbroken.

[Swissconsult]

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I run AirNavPro for VFR work with the CAA charts in the UK and the various official charts you can buy from the app for European coverage. Shock horror, yes you have to buy stuff......
How did you get digital CAA Charts on the Web, and how you get them into Airnav Pro Program?
Info and breaking in is highly appreciated
Thanks in advance.

BoseX,
thanks for the clarifications conc. CAA Charts. I understood your remarks that you get the CAA Charts outside Airnav Pro. I am myself a happy ANPro Customer,total Believer and user knowing how the Map Purchase Function within ANPRO works.
Never i asked or recommend for instruction for "stealing" such properties.
Please understand that his is for Clarification only. as fact we both seem to be happy with the product and will further promote the efforts and success of this Program. Thank you for your answer.

Heinrich