CanJet

[LeftHeadingNorth]

Hey guys,

I'm curious if anyone has any info on the charter company CanJet. They are offering a 6 month contract on the B737NG and I would love to go and experience Canada for half a year. So is it a decent company to work for? good and bad?

/LHN

[dewarg]

They're a good group of people with good equipment in a nice quiet part of Canada.

[Willie Everlearn]

As a respectable 3rd world country, there aren't enough "suitably qualified" pilots in Canada, so Canjet has to look outside it's borders for talent. I'm sure they could use you.
As for reality, this company is too cheap to type rate any Canadian pilot who may want to join a home grown airline. In fact, the only downside may be that most Canadian pilots looking for work will probably despise any foreigner joining Canjet or any other Canadian airline.

Wille

[LeftHeadingNorth]

Thanks guys! Do you have any info on typical charter destinations or roster patterns? I was surprised that Europeans could get a work permit in the first place. Thought Canada was as impossible to work in as the states....Hope I don´t get spit on by all the Canadians wanting a job.... o_O

/LHN

[CMD-A]

Don't worry about it, go and enjoy.
It's not your fault - it's the company and the government.
Flying is easy - north to south and back.
Lots of time off.

[Under-average joe]

There is no animosity towards any of our contract pilots here at Canjet. In fact quite the opposite. The guys have always been great.

As far as were we fly to... Most of the Carribean, west coast of Mexico. Some charter work. It's a great place. Bases in Yhz, Yul, Yyz, Yvr.

Feel free to PM..

[Willie Everlearn]

LeftHeadingNorth
I don't think anyone is going to spit on you for your decision to apply to Canjet. An opportunity for you is nothing more than an opportunity for YOU. Take it.

Under-average joe
"As far as were we fly to... Most of the Carribean, west coast of Mexico. Some charter work."

Sorry? I thought all Canjet did was 'charter' flying.

FWIW

There is presently "an issue" with an Australian carrier who were recently reinstated to fly by CASA. That issue has to do with foreign (Southeast Asian) pilots flying their aircraft, amongst other safety related issues. Most Australian pilots can tell you how they feel about 'foreign' pilots taking jobs away from national pilots in a similar fashion to here in Canada.
In fact, the pilot union at that airline has filed with IFALPA to block that move by their employer to use those foreign pilots in their Australian operation. Imagine?

We're still waiting to hear from ALPA (Canjet pilots) where they stand on a very similar issue right here at home.
Let's see? Pilot Union vs Ken Rowe = Shutdown the airlilne.

Nah. That ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

Willie :ok:

[Under-average joe]

what i meant by charter work is ad-hoc above and beyond our regular customer Transat.

As far as taking away jobs from Canucks, we have just started deployment for our pilots overseas. While the numbers are not balanced yet, bare in mind that they will and this is only the first year. Baby steps boys!

[J.O.]

Baby steps are fine but other carriers were forced to have an equal balance in the past while Canjet had no reciprocal whatsoever. Canjet got a significant competitive advantage in terms of lower training costs, which helped them outbid competitors for the Transat contract.

[Under-average joe]

Being competitive is helpful to all of us here at Canjet. It allow all of Canjets canadian pilots to work during our busy season and to not be laid off in the slower period. It would be impossible to find 48 first officers who would quit their jobs come to Canjet, work for the six month we are busy and then go on EI. We try every year to find them. Some are on course now. Some will start in Dec. Some will stay on full time. Some won't.

Our model, while not perfect helps us Canadians from ground staff to the owners. Not to mention the hundreds of staff who are employed with our customer. We are remain competitive on several levels, one of which is our pay. It's our first contact and hopefully we will see some improvements.

Now I know I'm going to hear all about the jobs that Canadians are not getting when we bring in contract pilots. But what about all the full time Canadain guys we hire every year. We have been able to do this because of the contract guys. And what about all of us that are here now.
Would your rather us not be in business and looking for work. I know all the SSV guys that are here or on course are happy to have found a seat. And I know the recip agreement numbers will balance better next year.

I can understand the arguments for both sides. However, how much does it really mean when every airline in the world is hiring.

There are lots of guys here that say this is the best job they have ever had. Me included! Every summer off. Great layovers. Great bunch of guys and gals.

Sorry to all the Grammer Natzis.. on my mobile..

[Under-average joe]

JO..

"Baby steps are fine but other carriers were forced to have an equal balance in the past while Canjet had no reciprocal whatsoever. Canjet got a significant competitive advantage in terms of lower training costs, which helped them outbid competitors for the Transat contract. "

Canjet recieved no special treatment in regards to our business model. Any one could have done the same. And can do the same. As far as im concerned its just good business.

[Willie Everlearn]

My apology to those who somehow think a 'reciprocal' agreement makes it okay and all better, you're dreaming.
Canadian companies who 'wet lease' their aircraft to an operator, regardless of nationality, is not the same thing as hiring a type rated foreigner (alien) to fly regular ops with an LVC and Canadian Dept. of Labour certification.
The 'contractor' works for Canjet on a contract for a stated period of time.
Those who came with a German ATPL flying German registered aircraft on a wet lease is NOT what I'm referring to.

Maybe I missed something here?
When I worked for a used-to-be Canadian charter airline, we flew our aircraft on their contracts out of their base. We didn't get labour certification, LVCs to join the airline for six months and fly with anyone and everyone.

...anyone?

[Double Wasp]

Just Clearing up a point Willie,

There is presently "an issue" with an Australian carrier who were recently reinstated to fly by CASA. That issue has to do with foreign (Southeast Asian) pilots flying their aircraft, amongst other safety related issues. Most Australian pilots can tell you how they feel about 'foreign' pilots taking jobs away from national pilots in a similar fashion to here in Canada.


As far as I am aware there were no issues with foreign pilots flying Oz registered aircraft for Tiger. Tiger (Sing) flies from SIN -PER, Tiger (Aus) flew PER - Everywhere else. Aussie pilots flying Aussie registered aircraft. The issue was with the lack of management oversight, due to the lack of managers in place, and the safety issues that arose from that: lack of training oversight as well as a couple incidents of busting lowest safe etc. There was not one headline, that I saw, that stated foreign pilots were being employed. Australia is way more unionized than Canada and one can be sure that if foreign pilots were the issue it would have been heard loud and clear.

Now if we are talking Qantas (Jet Connect) or Jetstar, that is another issue.

Cheers
DW

[Willie Everlearn]

Double Wasp

While I agree, it's not exactly the same situation as Canjet, the Tiger Airways 'pilot' issues ARE quite similar.
What interests me is the fact that the pilots at Tiger are taking steps to get a handle on who jumps into their Australian registered company aeroplanes to fly. (1989 anyone?)

http://www.ifalpa.org/downloads/Level1/Recruitment%20Bans/11IND026%20Request%20for%20Mutual%20Assistance%20-%20Australia.pdf

What are the Canadian pilots at Canjet doing to protect pilot positions here at home? If they were an American carrier represented by ALPA I can assure, this horsesh*t wouldn't go on. But since they are a Canadian outfit that isn't losing American jobs, who gives a sh*t? Certainly none of the ALPA pilots at Canjet.:mad: They're asleep at the switch.

Willie :ok:

[doo]

Question, Is'nt Jazz doing what Canjet is by using Thomas Cook UK?
I have been in the UK for 22yrs and watched this same discussion since C3 started diong work for Air2000, and it has carried on with Skyservice, and Sunwing. A lot of UK based Flight Deck were really p....d especially when there were layoff's here and the Canucks were taking their jobs.
Just my observations from the other side. All I know is that I'm glad I didn't come home to work for either C3 or SSv.

[altiplano]

Jazz pilots taking jobs from UK nationals?

How can Canadian crews flying Canadian registered aircraft for a Canadian company from Canadian city to destinations domestic and abroad be taking a job from a UK crew?.......

[Jet Jockey A4]

LOL at CanJet!

If you knew the owners (IMP) and how cheap they are you would stay away.

The bottom line with IMP is the dollar and they don't care about any of their employees.

There are plenty of Canadian pilots available that could fly for CanJet but I have to assume they (IMP/CanJet) are too cheap to train and pay for a type rating to a Canadian pilot and would rather save the money and hire a foreigner with a type rating.

Anybody know how much they pay for a captain or F/O's position to fly a 737?

Don't forget this company is so cheap they now fly routes for Air Transat because they can do it for cheaper. I wonder how well their personnel (F/As, ground people, etc) are paid compared to other companies.

[rotorjay]

You " ASSUME" speaks for itself.
You have obviously have been deeply affended in the past by IMP. Pitty!
Why would the vast majority of CanJet pilots be satisfied with the way they are treated and quite enjoy their lifestyle.
Why would you not know or at least know how to answer your questions on pay, it is quite easy to attain?
You sound so very young and foolish, grow up and get a life!

[Jet Jockey A4]

rotorjay

I'm not going to turn this into a pissing contest with you...

However I'll let you know I'm not that young and I do have a life, a very good one at that.

I have been in the aviation business for 36 years. I started as a lineboy at a flying school paid for all my flying courses, earned all my licences through hard studying and work.

My first pilot job came at the age of 18 when I received my commercial licence and I have never looked back. I'm happy to report to you that at my present job I have great conditions a very good pay and lots of time off.

Yes, if one searches the Internet one can find CanJet's pilot salaries. But then how accurate are they? I'd rather have it from the horse's mouth instead of using perhaps the wrong info.

If the latest info is correct the pay scale for both captains and F/Os at CanJet is IMHO sub standard. Anyone flying a B737-800 deserves a lot more money than the present scale at CanJet (correct me if I'm wrong).

It is also said that a B737 endorsement is required to be hired at CanJet (again you can correct me if this info is incorrect). However if the info is correct this means that this company is very cheap on training and takes out any pilot's chances of being hired regardless of experience if they don't have a B737 endorsement.

First year captain = $85,000 and after ten years the salary is bumped up to
~ $116,700.

First year F/O = $51,000 and after ten years it's at $57,500.

How many hours of months do they fly for that money? Are they entitled to overtime after a certain amount of hours flown or scheduled?

What about benefits? Any retirement scheme for the pilots or their other employees?

What about per diems while flying?

"Why would the vast majority of CanJet pilots be satisfied with the way they are treated and quite enjoy their lifestyle."

Maybe they don't have a choice or they don't know better!

From the sound of your rebuttal to me it sure seems like you work for them. If this is the case and you are happy at CanJet so be it.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, so yours is just as valid as mine.

[Under-average joe]

Jet jockey..


If you take the hours we fly throughout the year vs our salary.. We would be the best paid pilots in Canada perhaps.. I've had the whole summer off and have only flown to keep current. After ten... Try base at 140k

Perdiems yes..

Company matches dollar for dollar rrsp..

We have hired dozens of guys with no NG rating. We even have guys from AC here on leave... That say something to you?

We all have a choice.. We all have NG ratings. I assume you know with an NG rating you could find work yesterday almost anywhere.

I'll say it again it's the best job in Canada for lifestyle, pairings and many other reasons.. No six or five or even four sector days here..

Hey I'm just saying...From the horses mouth that is..

Ps.. I'm sure you realise like any airline in the world.. It's all about the money and nothing else.. Every airline is as cheap as they can be! Period..

Chow!

[Jet Jockey A4]

Under-average joe

Thanks for clarifying some of the info.

Like I said that's why I did not want to rely on what is found on the Internet.

Cheers.

[rotorjay]

Perfect...TKS
:D