AI pilots scramble for Dreamliner take-off

[cyrilroy21]

MUMBAI: Going by the current plans, it is likely to enter Air India's (AI) fleet later this year but the Boeing 787 Dreamliner has already caused many a heartbreak and unleashed a battle of sorts among the airline's pilots.

The buzz doing the rounds is about the pilots being selected to fly the Dreamliner. If AI does not choose its pilots judiciously, the cash-strapped airline could end up losing about Rs 10 crore by way of training and retraining pilots for Dreamliner as well as other aircraft.

The civil aviation ministry is reconsidering AI's plan to buy 27 Dreamliners, but in the airline, the fight is on to fly the B787. Many pilots qualify to be selected for training on the B787. In the last few weeks though, many have realized that in a government-run airline like Air India apologies to George Orwell while all pilots are equal, some are more equal than others. "The top brass-chiefs, directors and anyone who can pilot an aircraft-has enlisted to train on the Boeing 787," said an airline source.

The first Boeing 787 training batch drawn up by the airline management comprises 56 commanders and 27 co-pilots. "The commander's list reads like the who's who in AI's top management. The co-pilot's list has sons and daughters of top brass," said the source. For instance: the co-pilot's list has a son and a daughter of two AI general managers; then there is the father-son pair, the father is the chief of a particular department in the airline.

But the real problem which will cause financial losses to the airline lies in the fact that baring two commanders, all the other pilots selected for the first B787 training batch are Boeing 777 pilots. The airline has ordered 31 Boeing 777s and the first of the brand new Boeing 777s entered AI's fleet in the year 2007.

The airline spent approximately Rs 25 lakh per pilot to train on the Boeing 777 (as part of aircraft purchase contract, Boeing initially trains a few pilots for free, then Air India, it is the airline which foots the bill). "Management pilots lined up to train on the B777 along with their sons and daughters. In the last four years, 132 commanders and 140 co-pilots have been trained to fly the B777," said the source. These pilots have not flown enough-also, top management pilots rarely fly-for the airline to recover their training costs. "But once these B777 pilots are trained on the B787, they cannot fly the B777. So the airline will have to train another fresh lot of pilots to fill the B777 vacancies they leave behind," the source added."When there are many A310 and B737 pilots whose training costs have been recovered and can be sent to train on the B787 Dreamliner, why is the airline sending freshly trained B777 pilots to train on the B787 and wasting the money they spent on their B777 training,'' the official wondered. "The losses on this account will be atleast Rs 10 crore. Also because we will be losing B777 instructors, examiners to B787, the airline has decided to outsource B777 training to a company in the US, though it has training infrastructure in Mumbai,'' he adds.

To make themselves and their kin eligible and prevent other pilots from being selected for B787 training, the management has drawn up special criteria for B787 training. For instance: co-pilots have to be Airline Transport Pilot License holders (ATPL). An ATPL is a higher form of license than Commercial Pilot License (CPL) and it is mandatory only for commanders. "The co-pilots ATPL criteria has not been put by Boeing, it is Air India's decision.These sons and daughters of management pilots are ATPL holders and so they qualify,'' he added. Incidentally, even the VVIP flights operated by Air India which flies the President, Prime Minister do not ask for co-pilots with ATPL. Japan's All Nippon Airways (ANA) too has ordered Dreamliners and it has a huge fleet of B777 aircraft as well. "ANA has no such criteria that B777 pilots should be sent for Dreamliner training,'' said a pilot.

AI pilots scramble to train for Dream liner Scramble for B787 take-off to cost AI 10 cr.


AI pilots scramble for Dreamliner take-off - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/AI-pilots-scramble-for-Dreamliner-take-off/articleshow/9340145.cms)

[Johny Boy]

"The losses on this account will be atleast Rs 10 crore. Also because we will be losing B777 instructors, examiners to B787, the airline has decided to outsource B777 training to a company in the US, though it has training infrastructure in Mumbai,''

10 Crore loss taken by AI by placing holy babies from one type to other type looks like a tiny pest when total loss of AI is almost 10,000Rs Crore.
So here we go....babie's and baba's are given protection by providing papa's & mom's as their left-right seat companions.:E:E

I have this feeling since ages that AI male pilots always searches for an AI female pilot to form an long lasting AI match made in haven which will bear fruits who will make a new AI dynasty of theirs.:*

Someone wants to make non AI dynasty??...:p:p

[flyjet787]

These aviation reports from ToI and other news papers makes me want to shoot myself in the :mad: head .

The airline has ordered 31 Boeing 777s
The idiot writing the article doesnt even know how many aircraft the airline ordered. 23 were ordered 20 have been delivered and 3 have differed.
When there are many A310 and B737 pilots whose training costs have been recovered and can be sent to train on the B787 Dreamliner, why is the airline sending freshly trained B777 pilots to train on the B787 and wasting the money they spent on their B777 training,''Does ToI have the numbers? How many 310 and 737 capts? How many are TREs, TRIs,? Do they even know what TRE or TRI is? There are at the most about 10-15 310 capts of which about 5 must be TRE/TRI. Some of these guys are training on the 777 and some are still flying the lone aircraft which is still operaying on 1 or 2 routes. The 737 capts are all brand new with 1-2 yrs experience in the RHS and more importantly none are TRI/TRE or even check pilots.
And I am damn sure if AI sent these new 737 guys on the 787 we would be reading an article saying "AI endangers passenger lives by letting inexperienced pilots fly modern 787s"
Its a known fact that in any airline in the world when a new brand new and modern aircraft like the 787 is introduced into into fleet the airline would want only senior capts, TREs and TRIs to train 1st because once they get rated on the 787 they can train more pilots.
Boeing Begins 787 Dreamliner Pilot Training with Launch Customer ANA - Apr 26, 2011 (http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1720)
Boeing 777 pilots can qualify to fly the 787 in as little as five days, given the high level of commonality between the two airplane types.
So you have the 777 crew who will be familiar with the 787 technology and then you have the 310 crew who are used to the stone age technology. Who would you rather have in the cockpit of a brand new aircraft?

Also because we will be losing B777 instructors, examiners to B787, the airline has decided to outsource B777 training to a company in the US, though it has training infrastructure in Mumbai (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Mumbai),''The 777 is your main fleet. You have maximum number of TRI/TRE on the 777 and there are hardly any TRE/TRI on the other fleet (737 and 310). So where else are they supposed to get TRE/TRI if not from the 777. Oh yeah lets nor move the 777 pilots to 787s and hire expats for the 787s so that the CMD, Minister and some babus can make some money.:D And no AI pilot has been sent to any foreign training establishment so far. There were some articles about pan am being give a contract to train 737 and 777 pilots. As of now all 737 and 777 training is being done in mumbai on AI sims and occasionally on the jet air 777 sim.

[To make themselves and their kin eligible and prevent other pilots from being selected for B787 training, the management has drawn up special criteria for B787 training. For instance: co-pilots have to be Airline Transport Pilot License (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Airline-Transport-Pilot-License) holders (ATPL).Ok, so increasing the requirements and selecting some one with higher qualifications is a bad thing now? I can understand if the requirement was relaxed from ATPL to CPL to accommodate the bosses kids . But asking for a higher class of license is bad now??

Incidentally, even the VVIP (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/VVIP) flights operated by Air India which flies the President, Prime Minister do not ask for co-pilots with ATPL.You moron its because only a select few senior capts are authorised to fly VVIPs. And only capts fly the VVIPs around no f/os.

Japan's All Nippon Airways (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/All-Nippon-Airways) (ANA) too has ordered Dreamliners and it has a huge fleet of B777 aircraft as well. "ANA has no such criteria that B777 pilots should be sent for Dreamliner training,'' said a pilot. Oh yeah. So what is ANA doing? Training its 767 pilots to fly the 1st 787?

I am not saying that the selection of pilots to train on the 787s has been made in a complete transparent and fair manner. But some of the things which the article claims is wrong or is causing losses is total BS.

(http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1720)

[Johny Boy]

flyjet787

First batch is already doing training in USA for 787.
Most of the F/O's selected are either 21-22 year old's kids of Top Ranking Management guys of Erstwhile AI or relative of some local regional politician.
I can name atleast half dozen of the F/O's and their Capt. Dads or Moms or in some cases both of them.

Most of F/O's got ATPL in the age of 21-24 years in AI have family relations with management.Either Director or GM's or Training head.

Truth hurts but most of newly recruited 737 TR F/O's in last 2 years are sons/daughters of AI Skippers....yes many pilot with no backbone got job but the number is far to less than that of with solid backbone.
Have we forgotten the way 2009 recruitment was done?

Anyways for this article - Its not even an article to be honest just an way to spread more negativity of AI and its current bad shape with all those miss-management.

[flyjet787]

Nobody has gone to the USA yet. The boeing team is here and conducting some ground classes. A few senior capts are expected to go to seattle for their initial training by boeing trainers. After that they will come back to India and train the 777 pilots on the 787 sim which is being installed at AI training facility in kalina,mumbai.

I can name atleast half dozen of the F/O's and their Capt. Dads or Moms or in some cases both of them.I think i also know a few. Please do feel free to PM me with the names. As far as I know there are 2 parent-kid duo. But then I might be wrong. PM me we can have a good discussion.:ok:

Truth hurts but most of newly recruited 737 TR F/O's in last 2 years are sons/daughters of AI Skippers....yes many pilot with no backbone got job but the number is far to less than that of with solid backbone.
Have we forgotten the way 2009 recruitment was done? It doesn't hurt me any more because its more or less the same every where else.

Anyways for this article - Its not even an article to be honest just an way to spread more negativity of AI and its current bad shape with all those miss-management. Couldn't agree more with you buddy. I mean imagine if they sent the 737 or 310 pilots to train on the 787 we would be reading a similar article with more negativity. At the end of the day ToI achieved what it wanted. Negative publicity of AI.

[Johny Boy]

Nobody has gone to the USA yet. The boeing team is here and conducting some ground classes. A few senior capts are expected to go to seattle for their initial training by boeing trainers. After that they will come back to India and train the 777 pilots on the 787 sim which is being installed at AI training facility in kalina,mumbai.

Batch comprising senior Capt.'s + F/O's have left the country some time back in june.That's confirmed and yes Boeing team is here but not for ground classes for pilots but for engineers.SIM's will be installed in Kalina but boeing team is not here for that.

Yes everywhere its same like having kins getting preferences over others not by such a big margin where special panels are formed just to accommodate their own( Alliance air coming up with add's where they need CRJ/ATR pilots and last date is with in 45-60 days of published Advert or getting 737 TR for AIX where panel is open till some 6 months or can be even extended and somehow it gets canceled,then news comes that they got sufficient TR pilots.....)
Its crap going on in almost all airline but not so much like its in AI.

Please do feel free to PM me with the names. As far as I know there are 2 parent-kid duo. But then I might be wrong. PM me we can have a good discussion
Its a matter of time when their names will be out in national daily very soon....so till then its all suspense.:p:p

[flyjet787]

As per the 777 roster all the big shots including heads of various depts and their kids have been flying regularly all through June and also in July. The 787 team from Boeing has been conduction class room session in the flight crew training and operations building and not in the engineering dept building.

And as per this article flight crew training is scheduled to start next month.
Boeing 787 Dreamliner lands at IGI airport for first time - Economic Times (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-07-13/news/29769012_1_dreamliner-passenger-jet-igi-airport)
Air India would get its first-demo trials on the aircraft, which is claimed to be the most advanced in the world. Training of its pilots to fly this plane is likely to begin next month, Boeing officials said.

Boeing officials said Air India pilots' training on this aircraft would begin next month. Intensive discussions have been held with the airline and the Directorate General of Civil Aviation on the training programme and type-rating of trained pilots. And some names have come out in the recent past. But nothing will change. Its just for the news papers to fill space in their papers and for people like us to read and say "hey i know that guy and his dad".lol

[Johny Boy]

As per the 777 roster all the big shots including heads of various depts and their kids have been flying regularly all through June and also in July. The 787 team from Boeing has been conduction class room session in the flight crew training and operations building and not in the engineering dept building.

As per my knowledge and looking at roaster for may-june along with list that was pending under dusted table of some idiot director and few pics of a friend who just posted his 787 session pic...i can conclude that a batch is indeed done half way which can be confirmed by some very senior Emirates skippers who were their when AI batch arrived.
I have not seen July roaster yet....but will check it as soon as possible.:ok:

"hey i know that guy and his dad".lol
Hey i actually knew ...LOL:}:}

[Johny Boy]

flyjet - I think we need vserian views on it...he is on 777 fleet so might give latest developments.

[vserian]

This is nothing but the same old crap
Back in the days the 'big shots got' the 747s,then the -400 then came the 777s now they moving to 787. Its a tradition in AI no one here is surprised at all and we all knew this was coming.

I am not bothering with these 787 sagas cause I know I wont be moving and I am cool with the triple7s

[vserian]

AI is planning to place few 250 hrs CPL holders on the 787

[Johny Boy]

^^Let me guess who those would be ?? Another generation of resident AI pilot's....isn't it?

[cyrilroy21]

And you wonder why IC pilots are not happy

NEW DELHI: The government may be undecided on whether cash-strapped Air India should go ahead with acquiring the Boeing 787 Dreamliners but an intense battle has already broken out within the airline over who would fly this plane! Pilots of the erstwhile Indian Airlines and Air India, who till now were bitterly divided on the issue of pay parity, are now engaged in an all out war over flying the Dreamliner.

AI pilots have been staking claim to fly the 787s on the basis of an agreement they claim to have struck with the management in the past. But IA pilots are also staking claim to be trained for this new aircraft. Unlike AI pilots who get fixed pay for 80 hours, their IA counterparts get paid only for actual number of hours flown. According to sources, AI would require 80 to 100 pilots to fly the 27 Dreamliners ordered by it. After a delay of over two years, Boeing says their delivery may begin from December.

A senior IA commander said: "From average flying of 75 hours a month some time back, our actual flying is down to about 52 hours now. So we have already taken a one-third pay cut. Being sent to the 787 means some of us would get to fly the new aircraft while the remaining will get their flying hours increased . Sending pilots from AI's Boeing 777 fleet to the 787 would create a shortage for that plane and possibly require hiring of expats for the B-777 s. Despite this ground reality, there's an attempt to keep us out of that plane as the Dreamliners were ordered by erstwhile AI in premerger days." There are indications of industrial unrest unless the airline is able to resolve this issue to the satisfaction of both the warring AI, IA factions.

But given AI's poor financial health where the airline is saddled with working capital and aircraft loans of Rs 44,000 crore and huge losses, the government is yet to make up its mind on going ahead with the 787 order as that would mean an additional debt of almost Rs 18,000 crore. "We have yet to decide what to do. There is the option of sale and lease back to avoid more debt getting reflected on our balance sheet but that would also mean huge lease expense . This is not an easy decision to take," said a senior government official. The airline, on its part, has been pushing for this medium-capacity-mediumrange aircraft as the answer to its financial woes.

"We need to know what the government is deciding as preparations have to be made for the new plane in terms of training the pilots. Being the first of its kind aircraft in the world, there are as yet no trained pilots for the 787. We need to train our pilots ," said a senior AI official, while admitting 'issues' between IA and AI pilots over who would get to fly this plane. In the past also, AI has suffered losses with its aircraft remaining on ground due to paucity of trained pilots and cabin crew.

Now unless the government decides fast whether AI is to get the Dreamliner and the airline resolves the issue of who flies them, the national carrier's dream of a turnaround may remain unfulfilled.

Dreamliner to AI? Pilots slug it out over flying it - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/dreamliner-to-ai-pilots-slug-it-out-over-flying-it/articleshow/9880775.cms)

[flyjet787]

Will be interesting to see if IC pilots will be keen on moving to the 787s if a uniform pay scale is imposed for all AI and IC pilots irrespective of the fleet.

[HAWK21M]

Whats the news on Maintenance Trainings......
What about Structural repairs considering the variant from the past models.

[Stick_Rudder]

A common pilot type rating assigned to the B-777 and B-787...

http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/b-787_fsb.pdf

So do you guys think this would help NACIL save some money on TR or help improve the present conditions in any way...???

Your views...???

[Speed Freak]

rumours abound that 106 sets of crew from ic will be moving on to the 787 as and when they come........not interested.....i like the 320

[FlyBoy2909]

i freaking fail to understand the operational sense in moving IC crew to the B787s:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Speed Freak]

if anything done in air india to date made operational sense, then we wouldn't be where we are today....

[NG ExPat]

As of a couple of weeks ago. A friend who is a Boeing Delivery Pilot for the 787, told me that AI has cancelled their order. There are no current plans to delivery any of the 8 already painted AI aircraft. As we all know, that could change at any moment.

[flyjet787]

Boeing "Delivery Pilot"? I thought the airlines themselves take deliveries of their aircraft flown by their own pilots. At least that is what AI and Jet do.

I doubt AI has officially canceled the order. The Govt is going to make a final decision at the end of the month. Management has told the Govt that the 787s are essential for AI as they do not have any medium range aircraft in the fleet. There were a lot of speculations about reducing the number to 14 etc and also a sale and lease back for which they even have leasing companies shortlisted.

Any news regarding AI spreads like wild fire in India. And if what your friend says is true then it should come out in the media in the next few hours.

[NG ExPat]

Flyjet.....in some cases yes...and in some cases no. A lot of the time, with a brand new airplane, Boeing sends Delivery Pilots, who fly with crews for the first 30 days.

[fullforward]

...no more 787s for AI.
Forget about that, babus...:{

[btommy]

@full foward
what makes you say no more 787s for AI?

[flankerpilot]

The Indian media never ceases to amaze me at their level of retardation when it comes to aviation.

Transferring IC guys on the Airbus to AI to fly the 787 when the current 777 guys just need a short CCQ course is beyond comprehension. Well done TOI and the rest of the rag media.

[FlyBoy2909]

the B787 'bait' is a desperate attempt to plug IC exodus to 6E...its catch22...but its gonna be an operational(and economical) 'blunder' upon AI.

the 'grey heads' got to realize that the problem in IC is pay...got to fix THAT....'GIFT WRAPPING' the 787s is not the solution.

[Iver]

So, if you are flying a 747-400 for Air India you should not even consider bidding the 787 because you MUST have 777 experience? Seriously?

Also, one would think the IC pilots would be happy that the 777 pilots are moving over to the 787 - that means more 777 slots for the IC pilots - no?????

You could not find more blatant nepotism.... Not a surprise in India.

[StinkyMonkey]

The 787 fleet will be all Expats.

[fullforward]

From an insider: 787 won't go to AI, period. Rather, there's good chances that Jet Airways will take them, as it's much more well positioned and managed. AI administratively is in a complete chaos and there's a huge concerns the aircraft will ever be paid.

[fullforward]

I understand how frustrating it can be...
Now collect the toys you've throw out the crib, change your pantys and behave like an educated and good boy...

[flyjet787]

I guess we will know the fate of the 787s on the 27th of this month when the GoM meets to take a final call. The management has told them that they desprately need the 787s for some short and medium haul flights on AIs network. But since AI has a humungous debt burden the final call will be taken by the Fin Min.

@flyboy2909: The 787s are absolutely vital on some of the short and medium haul routes where AI currently operates the 777 300ERs and 200LRs which are not viable. The US Exim bank is ready to provide an interest free loan to AI for the purchase of the remaining 3 777-300ERs and 27 787s on order. Although I do not think AI will take deliveries of the 3 300ERS they will probably take at least a few 787s initially.

[fernandeztv]

Just wondering out aloud. What would have been AI's situation now if they had stuck o to their original A330/340 order before they made a U turn and ordered the 777/787/737NG :hmm:

So now they find the T7 too huge an aircraft to fill and unlike 9W they have not been able to lease them out. On the other hand i have seen some leased A330s in AI filling in the shoes of the T7 in the past....just wondering.

AI needed the 787 yesterday :rolleyes: and has to trim down its T7 fleet :E...but who knows what the future holds.

[Speed Freak]

irrespective of the status of the order of the 787's 8 sets of crew from AI and 8 sets of crew from IC are heading to london and singapore respectively in the first week of november for simulator. the ai p2's are those who went ab-initio on the 777 in 2007....the ic p2's are 2000 hours experience on the 320's....lock in period of 5 years on the 787's. ai is taking the ab-initio pilots because of a rule of only 2 endorsements until command as first officer and no one else was eligible. and no these p2's are not the nepotism kind. and a mix of igrua and non-igrua. no foul play here. the ic lot were chosen as 150 p2's above these lot due for command with all requirements completed and they anticipate their command to come only after 5 years. the p1's from ic are 25-30 years command experience senior p1's. these sets are going for training (i think) for the 2 787's slated for arrival this year (irrespective of the gom decision). in all 108 p2's slated from ic for the 787 conversion over next 3 years.

i thing is for sure. i will finally end up flying more than 70 hours a month. finally!!!!

[flyjet787]

@speed freak: 2000 hrs on the 320 already and 5 yrs lock in on the 787 as F/O??

Wow.. I am surprised that F/Os with 2000 hours on type have opted to fly a wide body for 5 yrs as F/O. This at a time when airlines like 6E and SG are upgrading F/Os once they have 2000-2500 hrs.

Hopefully now you guys get to fly more. Btw any news about the pay parity/ fixed pay etc on par with AI pilots which the ICPA has been fighting for ?

[Speed Freak]

well firstly they get to fly the 787 and secondly command for them in ic will any way take another 4 years atleast. between command in 6e and 787, guess 787 is the winner, though in that batch one has already gone on to 6e and another refused to move on to the 787 and prefers staying back on the 320. it all comes down to personal choice.

though a few more people have been steadily putting in their papers in ic. 6e has become so desperate, they are calling people and asking them to come instead of the other way around.

as for pay parity and the icpa issues, the report is expected in november. majority are waiting for november for decisions. altough flying allowances are now coming 3 and a half months late...

[flyjet787]

Do these pilots get paid more for moving to the 787 as compared to the 320?

Oh boy.. November is going to be tense then. With IC pilots wanting parity (raise) in line with AI pilots and the AI pilots unwilling to take a pay cut it sure will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next couple of months.

So the report will be out in November which means the Govt will then go through it, hold discussions etc etc... and then finally take a call. Looks like it might take at least a couple of months before the Management and employees finally arrive at a conclusion.

[FlyBoy2909]

gonna be interesting to see how IC crew adapt from A320 to B787 systems...

[FlyBoy2909]

gonna be 12 B787s apparently ...

[flyjet787]

gonna be interesting to see how IC crew adapt from A320 to B787 systems...

Should not be a big deal. Although their training would be more extensive compared to the 777 pilots.

gonna be 12 B787s apparently

Lets just wait for the GoM meeting tomorrow. Then we will know fore sure if its none, 12, 14 or all. :ok:

[FlyBoy2909]

"Should not be a big deal. Although their training would be more extensive compared to the 777 pilots."

u MORON...do u even know the 777 systems?

[FlyBoy2909]

AIs positioning on the B787/B777s... is inevitably going to lead-in expats... for B787/B777 command.

[Speed Freak]

Should not be a big deal. Although their training would be more extensive compared to the 777 pilots.

what he meant was the "TRAINING" in ic is "considered" to be better than the "TRAINING" in AI.

was speaking to a friend of mine who has been on the 777 for the last 3 years and was supposed to be heading for training this week (now postponed), and he was saying from what he could understand from reading the fcom, the 777 is a much simpler a/c comapared to the 787, multiple steps to achieve the same result for the 787.....though he would be biased towards the 777 cause he loves it there and is not very keen for the shift to 787...

but interesting first thoughts.....

[Iver]

What is the latest on the pilot tug-of-war for the 787 slots? With the delivery presumably beginning shortly (April or May), there must be pilots in training right now.

If the most senior pilots at AI are on the 777 (according to the article), does that mean that 747-400 pilots are mid-level seniority? Will 744 pilots have the ability to bid the 787 even though it is not similar to the 777 systems (i.e., easier to convert to the 787 from the 777)?

I am guessing that more 777 pilot leaving to the 787 means more coveted 777 slots for everyone else.

Any updates? PMs also welcome.

[Iver]

Echo Echo Echo....

Any updates? With the 787 delivery imminent, there has to be some new information - no?

[blackbirdsr72]

Hi

AI has not cancelled their order for Dream liners. Infact Boeing has asssured a compensation of 32 million Dollars for the delay in delivery of the orders. You can get a copy of details from MOCA if you ask the details by RTI act...... it was in all news papers.......Infact AI has claimed a cpmpensation of 10 Billion...... !!!!