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a330pilotcanada
21st Jul 2011, 10:27
Good Morning All:

A rather interesting article from the National Post!

Barbara Kay: Michel Thibodeau needs a case of 7Up and to grow up

Barbara Kay (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/author/bkaynp/) Jul 14, 2011 – 3:42 PM ET | Last Updated: Jul 15, 2011 9:14 AM ET
CNW Group / Pepsico Canada
Every now and then, during a slow news cycle, some media outlet will run a story about a fanatic coupon-clipper – almost invariably a housewife with plenty of discretionary time – who triumphantly demonstrates how she ends up with $300 worth of groceries for $19 by the simple expedient of clipping coupons from circulars, or mailing in rebate offers. It’s the kind of “free money” that anyone can have if they put in the time and effort, but when you have an actual “life,” you figure the satisfaction and savings just aren’t worth the tedium and mindless trolling.
Meet Ottawan Michel Thibodeau, the “language rights” equivalent of the compulsive coupon clipper. Instead of haunting supermarkets, he haunts bus companies and airlines, forever on the lookout for an abrogation of his right to hear the station stop, the weather, the time and the altitude in French, whether he is trundling across town or flying over Quebec City, Toronto or Kalamazoo.
On Wednesday the Federal Court of Canada ordered Air Canada to pay Mr Thibodeau $12,000, in part because in 2009, when he asked an English- speaking flight attendant for a 7 Up, he got a Sprite instead. That was only one of many other humiliations suffered by Mr Thibodeau and his wife Lynda in 2009 alone. There were occasions when they were not served in French at airports in Toronto, Ottawa and Atlanta (although they were evidently able to manage in English everywhere else in that town, unless they brought their own interpreter). They also complained about lapses in French-language services aboard Air Canada Jazz flights between Canada and the U.S.
The Thibodeaus know their way around language-rights suits. This is not their first win. When he was refused service in French while ordering a 7 Up on a 2000 Air Ontario flight from Montreal, he filed suit in Federal Court for $525,000 in damages (imagine how painful the sound of the English language must be to demand a half million dollars for suffering). The court ordered the airline to make a formal apology and pay him $5,375.95 – odd number that; maybe it included the price of a 7 UP – which is a far cry from what he asked, but still not a bad day’s take for filling out a form. No wonder it whetted their appetite for more.
Grievance collectors like Mr Thibodeau are the spawn of our rights culture, which supposes that minorities live in a constant state of fear of oppression or discrimination. Our courts are so sensitive to their assumed frailty that they tend to punish even the slightest lapse of vigilance as a way of reassuring them that they are loved.
These guilt payouts are absurd, and will only serve to encourage other ‘coupon-cutter’ copycats to shake down large corporations, which naturally regard the suits as a nuisance they willingly settle for what is to them piddling amounts in order to avoid publicity.
Mr Thibodeau must speak English if he is travelling widely beyond Quebec’s borders for business or pleasure. That wouldn’t be surprising. I am reminded of Norman Lester, an investigative reporter for the French-language CBC, who in 2001 caused an uproar in Montreal when he accused a Jewish General Hospital nurse of speaking to him only in English when he was a patient there. His claim was ridiculous, because he had been conversing with all and sundry at the hospital in fluent English until he decided to score political points with an indictment of one unilingual nurse. (In a book he wrote about Canada, The Black Book of English Canada, Lester viciously accused Canada of every evil under the sun.)
Another irony is that Anglophones in Quebec have very few linguistic rights, and even then such rights are often observed in the breach.
Rights must be tempered with common sense. It is unfortunate for French speakers when services are not available in their language on a flight here and there. But in the real world, stuff happens, and people of good will roll with it. When supermarkets run out of discounted items, they offer disgruntled customers a free product.
Next time Mr Thibodeau tries his little trick, the airlines should offer him a discounted ticket or maybe a case of 7 UP, and if that isn’t good enough and he persists in filing yet another suit, the Federal Court should inform him – in both official languages – that he is wasting their time.
National Post

+TSRA
23rd Jul 2011, 04:03
Very similar incident happened to one of our Flight Attendants the other day when she finished the pax safety brief and began her final cabin check prior to taxi. She was informed by a passenger of aboriginal origin that the use of the English and French in the brief was an "insult to her race and language and that every time the flight attendant or flight crew used English it burnt her ears with hatred she felt towards 'Canadians' for the hundreds of years of oppression."

Meanwhile the 30 or 40 other people on the airplane all from the same community had no problem and were happy to get in the air and actually apologized to our Flight Attendant for their friends actions!

ehwatezedoing
4th Aug 2011, 15:46
It is unfortunate for French speakers when services are not available in their language on a flight here and there. But in the real world, stuff happens, and people of good will roll with it.
Problem with this kind of comment is:
You let go a bit and 100 years down the road French in Quebec will become like Cajun French in Louisiana. A garbled local dialect losing much of its original connection and understood only by...True locals!

To my knowledge French is an official language in Canada as much as is English.
And as long as it will stay this way Mr Michel Thibodeau is entitled to prove his point.


As silly they may be sometime.



I also bet that the author of this article doesn't speak much French besides what she may had learn at school....

nolimitholdem
4th Aug 2011, 19:11
A garbled local dialect losing much of its original connection and understood only by...True locals!

This would already describe French as spoken in Quebec. Just ask anyone from France. Tabernac!!

English is the lingua franca of the world. In the EU, where it has overtaken French and German as the language of choice in the European Parliament. In the Middle East, where it's commonly spoken. In former British interests like India and Malaysia. Even the Chinese are moving rapidly in learning English as it is the language most used in business. It's no longer the "Queen's English", it has been very much tailored to various regional dialects! ("Singlish", "Indlish", "Chinglish")

I think the point of the article is that people like this clown need to realize the world has changed, that language is about practicality and not entitlement. The only point he's proven is that he hasn't gotten out of Canada much lately, and that common sense is dead.

ehwatezedoing
5th Aug 2011, 04:07
This would already describe French as spoken in Quebec. Just ask anyone from France. Tabernac!!

Pas encore vrai! :p

I'm not contesting that English is the way to communicate in the world.
Doesn't means each country has to dump their own languages and cultures.

To put it back into the topic, a German taking Lufthansa can expect to be served in German.
A French flying Air France will expect to be served in French.
A Canadian from Quebec, you know the answer with Air Canada.

If we don't want this language fuse in Canada, we just have to do it like in Belgium where:
In the Flemish region, Dutch is the only official language.
In the Wallon region, French is the only official language.
The Brussels Capital Region is...Well, bi-lingual French/Dutch.


End of the story.

Wannabe Flyer
5th Aug 2011, 08:05
I think the point is being missed here

when he asked an English- speaking flight attendant for a 7 Up, he got a Sprite instead.

She got it right and offered him the closest alternate to the brand he was asking.

I think it is a coke vs pepsi battle here. Unless the airline is stocked like a Super stop and shop even a native French speaker would have gotten it wrong. Maybe he should try his luck at a McDonalds and ask them for a Diet Pepsi!!! :eek:

J.O.
5th Aug 2011, 12:07
I think it is a coke vs pepsi battle here.

And therein lies the real story. It is well known that Pepsi is the cola of choice in La Belle Province, and as 7 Up is a Pepsico product, thus the real reason for his upset. :}

nolimitholdem
6th Aug 2011, 07:56
ehwatezedoing,

Your comparison to Lufthansa or Air France actually supports my posting - by your argument, those carriers provide services in the native language of their respective countries, and passengers would expect to be served in those languages. As an interesting aside, look around France these days: in Marseilles, the working language is more likely to be Arabic! The world is changing. Better or worse is up for debate, but filing lawsuits over what language you were offered a soft drink in, only makes one look foolish.

In Canada - in spite of the best efforts of the federal government, and with the notable exception of one province - the predominant working language is English. The only expectation to be served in French by a national company like Air Canada, has been manufactured by government policy (bilingualism, the Air Canada Act), not reality. It is not always a reflection of what actually happens "on the street", and this is why people manipulating the system to milk it for dollars are not viewed kindly. There is such a thing as the difference between the spirit of the law and letter of the law, and it's painful that Canadians are apparently becoming no better than the rest of the world at recognizing the difference.

Belgium has to be the WORST example to use to support your argument. It has a completely fractured political and language system, with a mess of multiple governments levels and systems, all without any clear direction. They currently hold the record for the longest time to form a government after an election, nearly a year! Hardly something to emulate.

This Mon. Thibodeau is either the biggest baby in the world, or a parasite. But don't paint him as a champion of Francophone justice - I don't think that flight attendant was trying to "dump" anyone's "language and cultures". I can tell you that as a longtime expat outside of Canada a story like this is just an embarrassment.

911slf
18th Aug 2011, 11:06
Because they are not 'the real thing' :}

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