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a330pilotcanada
11th Jul 2011, 23:51
Good Evening All:

Please find the ruling on the B.F.O.R. below.

I feel it is time for all to move on unless if you live in CYWG.


Canadian Human Rights Tribunal
Tribunal canadien des droits de la personne

BETWEEN:
GEORGE VILVEN
Complainant

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CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION
Commission

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AIR CANADA
Respondent

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AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION
FLY PAST 60 COALITION
Interested Parties

AND BETWEEN:

ROBERT NEIL KELLY
Complainant

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CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION
Commission

- and -

AIR CANADA
AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION
Respondents

DECISION
MEMBER: Wallace G. Craig 2011 CHRT 10
2011/07/08


TABLE OF CONTENTS Page

I. INTRODUCTION ............................................................ ............................................................ ... 1
II. THE APPLICABLE LAW ............................................................ ...................................................... 2
III. THE EVIDENCE ............................................................ ............................................................ .. 4
IV. RE-DETERMINATION............................................... ............................................................ ........ 13
V. RULING ............................................................ ............................................................ .......... 16
VI. DECISION ............................................................ ............................................................ ....... 16

I. INTRODUCTION

[1] This is the third decision by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (the Tribunal) arising
out of an inquiry into complaints under the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) by pilots
George Vilven and Robert Kelly that they had been subjected to a discriminatory practice
resulting from mandatory retirement at age 60, in accordance with provisions in a collective
agreement between Air Canada Pilots’ Association (ACPA) and Air Canada.

[2] At the date of his retirement on September 1, 2003, at age 60, Mr. Vilven was a
First Officer when flying an Airbus 340. Mr. Kelly retired on April 30, 2005, the day on which he
turned age 60. At the time of his retirement, Mr. Kelly was a Captain and Pilot-in-command when
flying an Airbus 340.

[3] The first decision of the Tribunal was rendered in August 2007, and dismissed the human
rights complaints. On judicial review, the first decision was quashed in part, and the matter was
remitted to the Tribunal for re-determination of a Charter issue and, if necessary, whether
mandatory retirement provisions constituted a bona fide occupational requirement within the
meaning of s. 15(1)(a) of the CHRA.

[4] The second decision of the Tribunal was rendered on August 28, 2009 (2009 CHRT 24).
A judicial review of this decision by the Federal Court resulted in a Judgment by
Justice Mactavish, dated February 3, 2011, ordering, among other things, that:
3. Air Canada’s application for judicial review is granted, in part, as it relates to the
Tribunal’s finding that Air Canada had not demonstrated that age was a bona fide
occupational requirement for its pilots.
4. The question of whether age was a bona fide occupational requirement for Air
Canada pilots after November of 2006 is remitted to the same panel of the
Tribunal, if available, for re-determination in accordance with these reasons, on
the basis of the existing record.
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[5] As the same panel of the Tribunal was not available to proceed with the re-determination
as ordered, I have been asked to re-determine the question of whether age was a bona fide
occupational requirement for Air Canada pilots after November 2006, in accordance with the
reasons for judgement of Justice Mactavish, and on the basis of the existing record. In the course
of my re-determination, I have read and considered Justice Mactavish’s reasons for judgement
and I have examined and considered, in its entirety, the evidence of
Captain Steven Christopher Duke (Captain Duke), a witness called by Air Canada on the issue of
accommodation.

[6] With respect to the evidence of Captain Duke, Justice Mactavish commented in
paragraph 429 of her Reasons that:
As was noted earlier, Air Canada says that the Tribunal misunderstood and
mischaracterized the evidence put forward by Captain Duke in support of its undue
hardship argument. Air Canada also contends that the Tribunal ignored important
portions of Captain Duke’s evidence as to the operational and scheduling
difficulties that would result if Air Canada were required to accommodate pilots
over the age of 60. …;
And in paragraph 384:
I also agree with Air Canada that having regard to the systemic nature of
Messrs. Vilven and Kelly’s human rights complaints and the fact that the potential
invalidation of the mandatory retirement provisions in the Air Canada Pension
Plan and the Air Canada/ACPA collective agreement would affect other Air
Canada pilots, it was also appropriate for the Tribunal to examine the issue of
undue hardship on a going-forward basis, taking into account the subsequent
changes to the ICAO standards…

II. THE APPLICABLE LAW

CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT PROVISIONS
3. (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race,
national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status,
family status, disability and conviction for which a pardon has been granted.
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10. It is a discriminatory practice for an employer, employee organization or employer
organization
(a) to establish or pursue a policy or practice,
or
(b) to enter into an agreement affecting recruitment, referral, hiring, promotion, training,
apprenticeship, transfer or any other matter relating to employment or prospective
employment, that deprives or tends to deprive an individual or class of individuals of
any employment opportunities on a prohibited ground of discrimination.
15. (1) It is not a discriminatory practice if
(a) any refusal, exclusion, expulsion, suspension, limitation, specification or preference in
relation to any employment is established by an employer to be based on a bona fide
occupational requirement;
(2) For any practice mentioned in paragraph (1)(a) to be considered to be based on a bona
fide occupational requirement and for any practice mentioned in paragraph (1)(g) to be
considered to have a bona fide justification, it must be established that accommodation of
the needs of an individual or class of individuals affected would impose undue hardship
on the person who would have to accommodate those needs, considering health, safety
and cost.

[7] In her reasons for judgment, Justice Mactavish summarizes the legal principles governing
bona fide occupational requirements (at paras. 353-358):
The test to be applied for determining whether an employer has established a bona fide
occupational requirement is that articulated by the Supreme Court of Canada in Meiorin
[British Columbia (Public Service Employee Relations Commission) v. BCGSEU, (1999)
3 S.C.R. 3]
That is an employer must establish on a balance of probabilities that:
(1) The employer adopted the standard for a purpose rationally connected to the
performance of the job;
(2) The employer adopted the particular standard in an honest and good faith belief that it
was necessary to the fulfillment of that legitimate work-related purpose; and
(3) The standard is reasonably necessary to the accomplishment of that legitimate workrelated
purpose. To show that the standard is reasonably necessary, it must be
demonstrated that it is impossible to accommodate individual employees sharing the
characteristics of the claimant without imposing undue hardship upon the employer.
The first and second steps of the Meiorin test require an assessment of the legitimacy of
the standard’s general purpose, and the employer’s intent in adopting it. This is to ensure
that, when viewed both objectively and subjectively, the standard does not have a
discriminatory foundation.
The third element of the Meiorin test involves the determination of whether the standard is
required to accomplish a legitimate purpose, and whether the employer can accommodate
the complainant without suffering undue hardship: McGill University Health Centre v.
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Syndicate des employe-e-s de l’Hopital general de Montreal, 2000 (SCFP-FTQ) 2007
SCC 4, 1 S.C.R 161, at para.14.
As the Supreme Court of Canada observed in Hydro-Quebec v Syndicat des employe-e- s
de techniques professionnelles et de bureau d’Hydro-Quebec, section locale 2000 (SCFP
–FTQ), 2007 SCC 43, [2008] 2 S.C.R. 561, the use of the word “impossible” in
connection with the third element of the Meiorin test had led to a certain amount of
confusion. The Court clarified that what is required is “not proof that it is impossible to
integrate an employee who does not meet a standard, but proof of undue hardship, which
can take as many forms as there are circumstances”: at para.12.
As to the scope of the duty to accommodate, the Supreme Court stated that “The employer
does not have a duty to change working conditions in a fundamental way, but does have a
duty, if it can do so without undue hardship, to arrange the employee’s workplace or
duties to enable the employee to do his or her work”: Hydro Quebec, at para. 16.”

[8] Further, Justice Mactavish determined that subsection 15(2) of the CHRA should be
interpreted as limiting the factors to be taken into account in an accommodation analysis to health,
safety and cost. However she qualified her determination with the following observation:
That is not to say that matters such as employee morale and mobility, interference
with other employees’ rights, and disruption of a collective agreement could never
be relevant in a claim under the CHRA. My interpretation of the legislation simply
means that in order to be taken into account in an accommodation analysis, these
matters must be of a sufficient gravity as to have a demonstrable impact on the
operations of an employer in a way that relates to health, safety or cost.

III. THE EVIDENCE

[9] Of significance in my re-determination is the November 23, 2006 change to the rules of
the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), a UN organization charged with fostering
civil aviation safety – Canada is a signatory – a change which makes it mandatory that Captains/
Pilots-in-Command between the ages of 60 and 65 may continue to fly internationally, but only if
one of the other pilots in a multi-pilot crew is under 60.

[10] The ICAO standards apply only to international flights. The vast majority of Air Canada
flights have an international aspect, 86% are either to an international destination or pass through
foreign (primarily American) airspace, en route to a Canadian destination. Between 20 and 25%
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of the remaining 14% of Air Canada flights have an American airport as an alternate airport
where planes are to land if, for example, weather precludes landing at the regularly-scheduled
Canadian airport.

[11] Captain Duke testified on behalf of Air Canada regarding its likely inability to
accommodate pilots over age 60 if the ICAO “one pilot over 60/one pilot under 60” requirement
(over/under rule) becomes applicable to scheduling the company’s pilots.

[12] In the time period relevant to this matter Captain Duke was employed by Air Canada in a
managerial position with Flight Operations. Among his qualifications, Captain Duke is
recognized as a Six Sigma Black Belt in management processes. He testified that Six Sigma is a
business improvement process which originated in the late 1980s at the Motorola and General
Electric corporations which has been adopted by Air Canada. The description of Captain Duke as
a “Black Belt” is in recognition of his expertise in this process.

[13] Captain Duke began his testimony by outlining several detrimental consequences,
including an unavoidable and inevitable increase in pilots and the cost of flight operations, that
would burden Air Canada if mandatory retirement of pilots on their reaching age 60 was
eliminated: a) inability to accommodate captains over age 65 on international and domestic
flights; b) a very limited capacity to accommodate captains or first officers who are over age 60;
c) loss of the capability of accurately predicting hiring and training needs in advance and the
effect that will have on Air Canada.

[14] Captain Duke testified that Air Canada’s pilots, approximately 3200 in December 2006,
are grouped according to the aircraft they fly:
1) largest aircraft, mostly on international routes, Airbus-345-500, A-340-300 and A-330
(generally referred to as A-340s);
2) Boeing 767, 777 on some international routes;
3) A-320’s and A-319’s;
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4) Embraer 190 and 175.

[15] Captain Duke explained that the A-340 series and the Boeing 767 require three pilots in
the cockpit, one being a relief pilot.
So our 3200 pilots break down into 16…non-interchangeable groups, which are
then geographically divided into 42 unique positions. ‘Position’ is a collective
agreement term that is defined as a unique combination of equipment, status and
base. For example: the Boeing triple-7 captain in Toronto would be one position;
Montreal, the captain, there are only 35 of them. If we go further down the list, the
other extreme of the most populous position would be the A-320 Toronto captains
with 363 of them. So at any given time these groups are non-interchangeable. We
can’t move pilots back and forth – they are stuck with their assignments.
They can move a little bit between base, for example if we have a Montreal A-320
captain and they are flying out of Toronto, we can move them to Toronto to do that
flying, but we cannot have any A-320 captain fly a 767 or an A-320 first officer act
as an A-320 captain.

[16] In his evidence Captain Duke explained the choices available to a pilot with a hypothetical
seniority number of 1100: He or she could choose to be a middle of the pack A-320 captain flying
middle-of-the-pack schedules or get more money as a very junior 767 captain and suffer the
schedule of a junior captain. Captain Duke pointed out that with increasing seniority it is the pilot,
alone, who chooses whether to become a very senior A-320 captain or a junior 767 captain.

[17] Captain Duke described a typical career path for Air Canada pilots: starting off either as a
relief pilot or a narrow-body aircraft first officer, then moving to a wide-body first officer
position, a return to a narrow-body aircraft as a captain, and a final move back to a wide-body
captaincy, having spent five to seven years in each block, to end their careers at age 60.
Captain Duke noted that within each block pilots can switch between positions.
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[18] Captain Duke testified about the correlation between the Marketing and Flight Operations
departments of Air Canada:
We are a marketing driven company and our Marketing Department produces a
lengthy list of the flights that they want Flight Operations to conduct in the coming
months. We have people called Pairing Analysts and there is one assigned per fleet
type. So there is one for the 340, one for the 767. What they do is, they take this
monstrous list of flights they wish us to conduct and they break that down into
smaller usable chunks that consist of a series of flights that will combine to cover a
one-day period or anywhere up to a four-day period.

[19] Captain Duke then described a typical pairing in the Toronto A-320 group: Flight 700
leaving Toronto at 6:30am, arriving New York just before 8am. Forty minutes later it becomes
Flight 705, New York to Toronto, arriving at 10:10am. The pilots then have two hours and
40 minutes before their next flight departs Toronto as Flight 177 for Edmonton, arriving at 3 pm
Mountain time. After spending the night in Edmonton the pilots depart the next day at 7am and fly
to Toronto:
That is a typical and an actual two-day pairing for the Toronto 320 pilots to fly.
The thing to note about this pairing is it is a mix of international and domestic
flying.

[20] Captain Duke explained that the pairing analyst’s goal is to link flights that have a
reasonable period of time between them, the above-mentioned two hours and 40 minutes being at
the upper end of waiting time for pilots, and noted that there are other guarantees in the collective
agreement that move the company to make the pilot’s time more productive when they are
working.

[21] Duke then described the process carried out by Flight Operations after the Marketing
Department stipulates its flight requirements. Once the General Manager of Crew Resources
receives the Marketing Department list of flights “she will spend anywhere from two weeks to a
month fine-tuning the number of positions that she needs to cover.” After that, the Crew Manning
Steering Committee (CMSC), a joint company-union committee, approves the plan as presented
or as amended, triggering a two-week period for pilots to update their Standing Preferential Bid in
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light of the opportunities presented to them in the schedule of planned flights, and to engage in
bidding for positions. Based on Captain Duke’s evidence, I infer that seniority is absolutely
essential in enabling pilots to take the initiative in controlling their careers with Air Canada.

[22] Captain Duke described the working relationship between Flight Operations and the
Marketing Department from the perspective of the CMSC, which conducts its review twice each
year in accordance with the collective agreement:
The thing to notice is we put out a training plan that works 12 months ahead and
then six months later we do this again … we are working toward this plan but
never get there. We get halfway there and we start again. It is a very dynamic
environment (in which) our Marketing Department tries to be very sensitive to
what the consumers are accepting for our product and so they are changing their
plans constantly. That is one side of the equation; on the other side is Flight
Operations which takes a long time to respond to the changes. …Our way of
meeting their need (is) by amending our position list every six months …
allow(ing) us the security … of knowing what we are doing for the next six months
before the CMSC review starts again. It is a compromise between the two different
branches of the company.

[23] Captain Duke gave extensive evidence concerning anticipated scheduling difficulties and
costs that Air Canada would likely experience if mandatory retirement at age 60 was ended. He
testified that Air Canada would have to employ more pilots to ensure absolute compliance with
the over/under rule on all international and partially international flights.

[24] Duke testified that he had conducted computer experiments on the premise that
Air Canada no longer had the certainties of mandatory retirement of pilots at age 60. In one of the
experiments, Captain Duke tried to schedule flights for pilots over age 60 who would be subject to
the over/under rule, and concluded that as the number of pilots over age 60 increases, scheduling
becomes unworkable.
Chair: “Because …?”
Duke: “Because our software cannot solve the problem: there are not enough unrestricted
pilots to fly with the other unrestricted pilots.”
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[25] Duke then presented a graph which he identified as Air Canada’s Vancouver A-340
captains, ranking them in order of seniority, which showed that 85% of the Vancouver captains
were age 55 or older. He reasoned that if mandatory retirement at age 60 was abolished, then in
the ensuing five years 85% of these captains would be in a potentially restricted age range,
i.e. beyond 60 but not yet 65, and thus subject to the over/under rule restricting them from
international flights unless the pilot flying with them was under 60.

[26] Captain Duke described a similar problem facing Vancouver-based A-340 first officers:
… For example the pilot that the far left dot represents who is 57 years old, if he
stays …five years to age 62 …(he) will be restricted from flying with the other
captains….
When the monthly schedule bid happens they can pretty much pick and choose
whatever they want. They are…senior, they get first choice at things. Well, now
not necessarily, because we run our captain schedule first and if all the flying you
want has other potentially restricted pilots in it, you can’t fly with those people. So
your seniority rights are being impacted by being potentially restricted from flying
with the captains on the flying that you are looking for.

[27] Air Canada’s Toronto-based A-340 pilots were similarly analyzed, 78% of them being age
55 or older. In five years they also would be in the potentially restricted range. Captain Duke
found that similar demographics applied to Vancouver and Toronto based pilots flying the
Boeing 767.

[28] Captain Duke continued his analysis, assuming that 10% of the captains and first officers
were restricted by the over/under rule. It is significant that the resulting simulated schedule
disregarded the seniority of many first officers and assigned them to reserve-pilot status. He
testified that as relief pilots they would not be able to relieve an ill first officer assigned to fly with
a captain aged over 60.
When we deal with a small base such as the Vancouver A-340 the number is shockingly
small. With 20% of the captains restricted and 11% of the first officers restricted …We
can’t generate a schedule.
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Member Jensen: “Unless you hire an additional pilot.”
Duke: “That is our obvious response to that … to somehow introduce more pilots who are
not restricted ... Of course our current system is based on seniority, so this would go back
… to the CMSC review. …Lets say you open up two more spots …the CMSC review is
run … if those two new pilots are 62 years old, you haven’t helped yourself at all, because
we don’t have the right as it were to restrict pilots based on age from obtaining these
positions … We can’t guarantee through any method in our collective agreement that we
would have less than 11% first officers restricted.”

Tremblay: “What does that do to pilot morale if you ignore the seniority list in order to
overcome or minimize … some of these problems?
Duke: “Seniority is one of ACPA’s most dearly held concepts and we have repeatedly had
this mentioned to us at the negotiating table. Depending on how much we restricted it, it
would be anywhere from negative to very negative. If suggestions such as (to) directly
hire people to a position that is as senior as the Vancouver A-340 first officer, it could
bring the airline to a halt. We could have wildcats the likes we haven’t seen before. …we
wouldn’t even try to bring something like that forward.”

Tremblay: “Has Air Canada experienced wildcats or issues of that kind because of pilot
morale issues related to seniority before?
Duke: “During the merger, that didn’t go smoothly as far as the pilots were concerned
because we had a disagreement between the Canadian pilots and the Air Canada pilots as
to how the two seniority lists should be merged. We had various versions of sickouts
associated with various Labour Board rulings with that …we had a taste of the effect of
playing with seniority and how it affect the pilots’ morale.”

[29] Captain Duke testified that mandatory retirement of pilots at age 60 gives Air Canada
stability and predictability with respect to hiring and training needs, and that there is an
operational risk associated with changing retirement from age 60:
We plan on pilots retiring at age 60 and we have CMSC reviews based on that; and
we train (pilots) based on that … So if we push retirement from age 60 to a higher
limit or no limit we are going to be potentially stuck with unexpected retirements
because nothing in the collective agreement causes our pilots to give us notice of
when they are going to retire. It will detrimentally affect Air Canada’s operation
and result in increased costs.
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[30] When asked by Member Jensen whether Air Canada could impose a retirement-notice
requirement on its pilots Captain Duke responded that Air Canada has no power to unilaterally
impose anything on pilots, that it would have to be negotiated with ACPA, and “that it would take
a lot of bargaining capital on the company’s behalf, starting from scratch, to negotiate something
like that.”

[31] Member Jensen also wanted clarification on Captain Duke’s evidence concerning the need
to have predictability in retirement:
Jensen: “Just so I’m clear, when you say it is one of our biggest issues, what you
mean there is (that) the predictability of retirement is one of the biggest problems
with not having a mandatory retirement date; is that right?”

[32] Duke agreed, and using the Vancouver A-340 group as an example said that Air Canada
has:
… six people worth of work in Vancouver that allow us to absorb external shocks
to our operation. Once we pass that number – all our assumptions working out on
sickness, on the amount of people in training, on the number of supervisors we
have, all the assumptions we have in staffing – six is the magic number that we can
use to absorb external shock such as early retirements. Any more than that and we
are cancelling flights. So to directly answer your question, the issue is planning the
number of staff we need; and at the senior positions we are currently the
beneficiaries of a regular retirement pattern in our planning, we know when they
are going to retire and they do retire pretty much on schedule. If we were to lose
that through the Tribunal ordering a change to mandatory retirement and us not
being able to successfully address that with ACPA, we would have to buy some
insurance somehow by having extra pilots in these positions.

[33] Captain Duke testified that given the restrictiveness of ICAO’s over/under rule, and absent
age-60 mandatory retirement, Air Canada’s Flight Operations would experience significant
increases in pilot costs and complications in scheduling.
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[34] In dealing with the prospect of scheduling domestic flights for pilots over age 65,
Captain Duke testified that it was not feasible, in that 86% of these flights customarily fly over
parts of the United States:
So if we have to reroute domestic flights that otherwise would over fly the U.S. to
keep them solely within Canadian airspace, …that is going to …increase the time
en route, which increases the costs and additionally makes the next flight of the
day late, which we are deadly against.
In extreme cases, (for example) Vancouver to Toronto, with an A-320 which is
near the top of the range, if we have to put more fuel on board we may have to take
passengers off because the plane may be at its maximum weight limit.

[35] Captain Duke gave precise information concerning extra fuel costs, citing 62 Toronto to
Halifax flights, each one costing an additional $1,695 equating to $5.5 million per year.

a330pilotcanada
12th Jul 2011, 11:28
[36] Concerning one experiment he conducted, a worst case scenario, to determine the
consequence of accommodating pilots over age 65 by using them exclusively on domestic flights,
Captain Duke testified that “… it has the same problems that we saw on the Toronto/Halifax
issue … you end up with 1,700 hours of additional pairings needed to fly the exact same
schedule.” He explained that when the pairing analysts have to split the flying schedule into two
groups to accommodate ICAO restricted captains, it negates optimization, which is the
minimization of inherent costs by generating effective pairings. Captain Duke testified that
having two groups of pilots to cover the same schedule, one group restricted by the over/under
rule, creates a situation that requires employment of 42 more pilots, and that these additional
pilots would themselves need reserve coverage factored at 34%, bringing the increase in reserve
coverage to 56 pilots, each costing $11,500 per month, equating to $7.7million per year.
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IV. RE-DETERMINATION

[37] The parameters of this re-determination were stated by Justice Mactavish In
paragraphs 469, 470 and 471 of her reasons for judgement:
469 I have already found that the Tribunal’s finding with respect to the bona fide
occupational requirement issue as it related to the period before November of 2006
was reasonable. Consequently, any error on the part of the Tribunal with respect to
the first two elements of the Meiorin test is immaterial as it relates to that time
frame.
470 However, I have found that there were a number of errors in the Tribunal’s
bon fide occupational requirement analysis as it related to the post-November 2006
period, rendering this aspect of the Tribunal’s decision unreasonable.
471 As a result, the question of whether being under 60 was a bona fide
occupational requirement for Air Canada pilots after November of 2006 will be
remitted to the same panel of the Tribunal, with the direction that the issue must be
examined in light of all three elements of the Meiorin test.

[38] Accordingly, this re-determination is limited to the period after November 2006.

[39] There is nothing in the record of the previous proceedings to suggest that the Tribunal, or
the reviewing Judge, found that Captain Duke lacked credibility. Based on my review of his
evidence, I am satisfied that he was a credible witness. Further, I find that his evidence is
convincing and cogent.

[40] Captain Duke’s testimony has established, on a balance of probabilities, that elimination
of mandatory retirement of pilots at age 60, either through a final determination of this case or
through revision of the collective bargaining agreement, will carry with it a heavy burden to
achieve full compliance with ICAO’s over/under rules.

[41] It is more likely than not that the scheduling of pilots over age 60 will become markedly
less efficient and more costly as compared with the certainty that the company has experienced
with mandatory retirement requirements which have been in place since 1957. I accept
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Captain Duke’s succinct assessment of the over/under rule: “It is the conditionality of the
restriction that causes the problems.”

[42] Captain Duke’s description of the workings of Air Canada Flight Operations reveals a
practical and efficient balancing between the Marketing Department flight requirements and
Flight Operation’s ability to assign pilots to them. He testified that the elimination of the
mandatory retirement provision in the collective agreement, in combination with the restrictions
of the over/under rule, will require the employment of more pilots at greater cost to ensure that all
flights will be piloted in compliance with ICAO’s over/under rule.

[43] Based on Captain Duke’s testimony it is inconceivable that Air Canada and ACPA would,
together, willingly embrace the inflexibility and cost of matching “one pilot over age 60 with one
pilot under age 60” on the flight decks of Air Canada aircraft.

[44] I am mindful of the case of F.H. v McDougall, 2008 SCC 53, and the clarification by the
Supreme Court of Canada that with respect to the standard of proof in civil cases: nothing more,
nothing less than a balance of probabilities.

[45] Although Air Canada’s mandatory retirement of pilots at age 60 is prima facie
discriminatory, it is not a discriminatory practice if Air Canada establishes, on a balance of
probabilities, that the limitation is based on a bona fide occupational requirement. The test to be
applied is that articulated by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Meiorin case, a three step
process.

[46] Steps one and two require an assessment of the legitimacy of the (work) standard’s
general purpose and the employer’s intention in adopting it. The assessment must be both
objective and subjective to ensure that the standard does not have a discriminatory foundation.
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[47] It is clear from Duke’s evidence that for decades Air Canada has engaged in a legitimate
and meaningful bargaining process with the pilot’s union that has resulted in an enduring
collective agreement which enshrines seniority and provides for mandatory retirement at age 60
with a reasonable pension. In the result, Air Canada has been able to effectively balance the
introduction of new pilots to replace a predictable number of retiring pilots. Assessing this
situation both subjectively and objectively, I conclude on a balance of probabilities that the work
standard does not have a discriminatory foundation.

[48] The third step in Meiorin requires a determination whether the standard was established to
accomplish a legitimate purpose. Again, persuaded by Captains Duke’s evidence, I conclude on a
balance of probabilities that the work standard of mandatory retirement in the collective
bargaining agreement between Air Canada and ACPA was intended to accomplish the legitimate
purpose of melding the company’s needs with the collective rights and needs of its pilots.

[49] The third step also requires Air Canada to prove that it would suffer undue hardship in
accommodating the complainants. Given the restrictions of the ICAO over/under rule, I am
satisfied that the accommodation of the needs in the period after November 2006, by abolishing
mandatory retirement, would result in negative consequences to Air Canada: significantly
increased operational costs, inefficiency in the scheduling of pilots, and, to a lesser extent,
negative ramifications for the pilot’s pension plan, and the collective bargaining agreement,
particularly in maintaining an effective rule of seniority. I conclude on a balance of probabilities
that Air Canada would suffer undue hardship in accommodating the complainant’s needs.
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V. RULING

[50] With respect to the question whether being under age 60 was a bona fide occupational
requirement for Air Canada pilots after November 2006, I am satisfied on a balance of
probabilities that:
(1) Mandatory retirement of pilots at age 60 is based solely on a bona fide occupational
requirement, therefore it is not a discriminatory practice, and
(2) Accommodating the needs of the complainants after November 2006 would impose
undue hardship on Air Canada, considering health, safety and cost.
VI. DECISION

[51] The complainants George Vilven and Robert Kelly have not substantiated their allegation
of a decimator practice on the part of Air Canada during the period after November 2006.
Accordingly their complaints are dismissed.




Signed by
____________________________________
Wallace G. Craig
OTTAWA, Ontario
July 8, 2011
CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL
PARTIES OF RECORD
TRIBUNAL FILES: T1176/5806, T1177/5906 & T1079/6005
STYLE OF CAUSE: Robert Neil Kelly v. Air Canada and Air Canada
Pilots Association and
Geroge Viven v. Air Canada
DECISION OF THE TRIBUNAL DATED: July 8, 2011
APPEARANCES:
Raymond D. Hall
David Baker
For the Complainants
Daniel Poulin For the Canadian Human Rights Commission
Maryse Tremblay For the Respondent
Bruce Laughton, Q.C. For the Air Canada Pilots Association

Lost in Saigon
12th Jul 2011, 15:04
I think Wallace G. Craig made serious errors with this ruling. It appears he has absolutely no concept of how the ICAO over/under rule works, or even why it was implemented.

Every other airline in the world can work with the over/under rule. Why can't Air Canada?

For example: Even if the judge honestly believed that it would be some kind of extreme hardship for AC to have Captains over age 60, why couldn't AC allow First Officers to continue to work past age 60?

There would be ZERO scheduling problems and it would would then allow Air Canada to respect the Canadian Human Rights Act regarding age discrimination.

For this reason alone this ruling will be overturned.

clunckdriver
12th Jul 2011, 16:33
Lost in Saigon, you state that the judge rendering this has lost touch with reality, in part due to his age, yet you want mandatory retirment thrown out, you really need to make up your mind which side of the fence you are on! For myself I dont really care about the whole thing, have never made so much money and had so much fun as Im having flying a very modest little aircraft in retirment.

Lost in Saigon
12th Jul 2011, 16:58
Lost in Saigon, you state that the judge rendering this has lost touch with reality, in part due to his age, yet you want mandatory retirement thrown out, you really need to make up your mind which side of the fence you are on!

Human rights means to me unlimited retirement age providing you can prove you are able to do the job.

For pilots, it means a medical and a check ride.

For judges it should be re-election based on your past record as a judge. (as in the USA)

In Canada it seems you are appointed for life. You can practice long after you have become incompetent. (at least that appears to be the case here)

J.O.
12th Jul 2011, 21:00
Wallace ruled on the basis of the laws he is required to apply. I read the entire ruling, and based on what I read, it's pretty hard to argue that he ruled incorrectly (if you put emotions and personal bias aside).

a330pilotcanada
12th Jul 2011, 22:01
Good Afternoon Lost in Saigon:

Maybe it is time for you to go back to the roof top bar at the Rex Hotel in Saigon and have another cold beer.

Please get in touch with your "learned friend" in CYWG and see if calling a senior Jurist an idiot as you did is slander and defamation of character as I would consider that you are on very thin ice here.

Or if the ruling came out against this ruling I am sure your view of this senior Jurist would be complimentary and that you are happy he is part of the legal intelligentsia of our country.

As J.O. stated very succinctly just reread the ruling on an "intellectual" basis as opposed to an "emotional" one as you will see his logic in his ruling.

Also take comfort in this that this will be going through the courts for review and will most likely end up for review by the nine senior Jurists in Canada providing if they want to discuss it.

As an aside as one that has lived in the United States the elections of Judges can be a tricky affair as not only politics but money enter into the equation. So take an "independent" judiciary over an elected one any day.

Again I will caution you on calling a Jurist incompetent as you have exposed yourself here and I would strongly suggest you either delete your post or modify it for your personal protection.

Lysdexia
24th Jul 2011, 23:43
J.O.: I just read the whole ruling and, unlike you, I find it very difficult to understand how he could possibly have ruled the way that he did. Lots and lots of errors in the decision, as I see it. It seems to me that this guy doesn't have the foggiest notion about what a BFOR is, period. Using the logic that he used, all that anybody that doesn't want to meet the discrimination prohibitions in the human rights law would have to do is find a "legitimate purpose," call it a BFOR, then contract out of the human rights legislation.

He obviously got the SCC Meiorin test wrong: even though he quoted it in his decision, he obviously didn't understand that to qualify as a BFOR, the purpose of the mandatory retirement provision must be rationally connected to the performance of the job (Meiorin, Step 1). It must relate to the actual job requirements. That is why it is called an "occupational requirement" and that is why it is allowed to override the blanket prohibition against discrimination in the human rights statute--it is a very narrow exemption permitted only because the ability to peform the job has a higher priority than the prohibition against discrimination. "Melding the needs of Air Canada with the collective rights and needs of its pilots" can't possibly pass muster, because that is a collective bargaining requirement, not a job performance requirement, and the CHRA overrules collective agreement provisions that permit discrimination. Big mistake.

It seems to me that he also answered the wrong question. What was the Tribunal required to decide here? The complaints before it, or the mandatory retirement policy of the employer and the union in general? Obviously the former, not the latter. The Tribunal, as I see it, is not entitled to ponder philosophical questions in the abstract and to speculate about undue hardship issues that could only come several years from now, once the number of pilots over age 60 starts to increase to the point where scheduling to meet the ICAO requirements could possibly be an issue, then base its decision regarding the complaints before it on that speculation.

I see nothing in the decision that shows why the employment of either Vilven or Kelly was causing Air Canada undue hardship. So why should their complaints be dismissed? They met all of the occupational requirements, and thus needed no accommodation whatsoever. In fact, Kelly is an active, fully qualified working First Officer now.

My guess is that the Court will make short shrift of this decision.

GMC1500
25th Jul 2011, 10:47
Regardless of legalities (and I'm not about to sit here and question a judge, just as I don't want him sitting in his first class seat questioning my judgements as a pilot), a business has to be profitable in order to be solvent. the expert testimony comes from an ac capt who is six sigma black belt, correct? not that I'm a big advocate of all that bull$*^t, but the guy makes some pretty good arguments.
Where are the fly past 60 guys refuting arguments? Their poor little hurt feelings? Only had 25+ yrs to prepare for this day? There is no sympathy anywhere for these guys, not even from their own company colleagues. And apparently not from the judiciary either.
Go ahead losers, take it to the supreme court. Spend even more of your pensions on a losing cause.
Try to leave with some dignity intact.

engfireleft
26th Jul 2011, 01:07
a business has to be profitable in order to be solvent

If you're using that as a BFOR criteria then every CEO and senior executive for the last 30 years should have lost their job.

Where are the fly past 60 guys refuting arguments?

Precisely, there aren't any. That's yet another reason why the ruling will be thrown out. Mr. Craig totally forgot to get the other side of the story.

Lysdexia
26th Jul 2011, 09:22
GMC1500:

I really have no idea why you need to slander anyone who is simply expressing an opinion. Why not answer the issue instead?

I was simply pointing out that it seems really odd to me that the Tribunal, when dealing with two complaints regarding termination of employment that happened years ago can base its decision on whether or not that past termination of employment should be upheld on the basis of speculation as to what may happen years in the future. It just doesn't make any sense that events that have not yet transpired can be used to decide those issues. What if the ICAO over-under rule is repealed after ICAO does its planned five year review this fall? Why should their employment have been terminated based on the assumption that compliance with a rule that no longer exists would cause the airline problems?

GMC1500
26th Jul 2011, 09:23
I don't belive there have ever been age limits on ceo's. And if a ceo has a heart attack at his desk, he isn't potentially putting 300+ lives in jeopardy.

engfireleft
26th Jul 2011, 13:36
I don't belive there have ever been age limits on ceo's. And if a ceo has a heart attack at his desk, he isn't potentially putting 300+ lives in jeopardy.


It was a joke GMC1500.

J.O.
26th Jul 2011, 14:25
For those who are interested in how these cases are meant to be adjudicated, here is a good summary of the considerations that must be taken when the CHRT reviews a discrimination complaint and the subsequent BFOR from the respondent:

Canadian Human Rights Commission :: Home :: Resources :: Publications (http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/discrimination/occupational-eng.aspx#implications)

GMC1500
27th Jul 2011, 03:53
I'm not slandering anyone. That's a pretty extreme reaction to calling these guys losers.
And for your point of the over/under being reviewed and possibly overturned, do you really think a judge, ruling on something today, is going to base his decision on what may happen in the future? Or on what the reality is today when he makes the decision?

Lysdexia
27th Jul 2011, 07:43
GMC 1500:

That was my point. As I understand it, these guys were dismissed years ago. Their complaints with the Commission were that their employment was terminated. Yes, it took years to get a decision on their termination, but isn't the issue whether their continued employment then would have justified termination of employment. Would Air Canada have suffered undue hardship then as a result of their alleged adverse cost impact on the airline resulting from the ICAO restrictions?

How does what happened years after the decision was made to terminate their employment (i.e. post-November 2006 ICAO changes) have to do with the decision to terminate them months or years prior to those changes? I fail to see the relevance.

Is the impact of the ability to manage the over-under restrictions not a matter of degree? Could Air Canada handle 1 pilot over age 60 without undue hardship? 2? 5? 20? 100? 1,000? So why were these two guys fired, especially if, working as First Officers, there was no adverse impact on Air Canada's ability to meet the ICAO restrictions.

That is what I mean about errors in the decision. It just seems obvious to me that there was no reason to dismiss their complaints if there was no occupational requirement that they could not meet as pilots, especially as First Officers, given that there are no ICAO restrictions at all for F/Os.

But then again, I am not a judge. What do I know?

J.O.
27th Jul 2011, 10:29
Just to clarify, they were not fired. They retired in accordance with the collective agreement.

Lysdexia
27th Jul 2011, 12:08
You can put whatever brand of lipstick that you choose on that sow, it's still a pig. Involuntary termination of employment is still involuntary termination of employment.

GMC1500
27th Jul 2011, 15:25
But if it happens at 65 vs 60 then that's just fine?

engfireleft
27th Jul 2011, 19:48
But if it happens at 65 vs 60 then that's just fine?


The only option left for Air Canada or anybody else in Canada for that matter to enforce mandatory retirement based on age is through the BFOR exemption. The recent ruling permitting age 60 will not stand the first challenge and will be turfed. What will Air Canada do then?

They will argue for a BFOR of age 65.

Where have I heard that before?

Mechanic787
27th Jul 2011, 23:25
Those who seriously believe that the Vilven-Kelly issue is closed or even that the latest CHRT decision on BFOR will withstand a challenge in judicial review owe it to themselves to take a look at the detailed legal analysis recently posted on the Fly Past 60 web site Update page: FlyPast60 Web Update Page -- Fly Past 60 Coalition Recent Events (http://www.flypast60.com/Update.htm) .

They have obviously gone to a huge effort to boil down a complex legal issue into simple terms, and they even include a flowchart that maps out the various portions of the proper legal test: http://www.flypast60.com/Documents/Flowchart.pdf

It's a pity that the Tribunal didn't go to the trouble of doing the same degree of legal analysis prior to rendering its decision.

a330pilotcanada
28th Jul 2011, 03:45
It would appear that emotions are coming to the forefront again as opposed to analytical analysis.

After reading this and in discussion with friends in the legal system the argument is whither Air Canada can crew its flights economically with the over/under rule.

Captain Duke in his testimony said it cannot be done without undue financial hardship to the airline. As Captain Duke has the gravitas for this discussion, the judgement was rendered to show the airline would be in financial difficulties if the B.F.O.R. was not enforced.

As stated in other threads at other times the lawyer who will be in on the final ruling of this saga has not been conceived as of yet.

On another discussion point with friends in the legal community they find it curious for a lawyer to use public forums such as this to get his view across as opposed to the court room.

So rather than pontificating the same old "unfairness or human rights" enjoy what is left of the summer and let the process unfold as it will without your assistance.

engfireleft
28th Jul 2011, 04:06
Captain Duke in his testimony said it cannot be done without undue financial hardship to the airline. As Captain Duke has the gravitas for this discussion, the judgement was rendered to show the airline would be in financial difficulties if the B.F.O.R. was not enforced.

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying Captain Duke has the expertise to say Air Canada lacks the necessary management skill to do what every other airline in North America and the rest of the world can do, and that we should believe him.

Do I have that right?

OverUnder
28th Jul 2011, 06:05
Hello A330 Pilot:

You obviously didn't bother to attempt to absorb the information in the FP60 post. Gravitas, eh? At third base. You want to play the same game as your employer and your union? Start at third base. Why don't you read about getting by first base and second base, before you talk about the issues over at third base?

As I read the info, this issue is dead at first base. So all of Captain Duke's beautifully credible evidence is totally irrelevant to the issues before the Tribunal.

Go ahead. Prove me wrong. Show me how the union can get around the dropped link between job requirements and accommodation. In my view, the Tribunal decision sealed the fate of both the union and the employer, because it found as a fact that the purpose of mandatory retirement had absolutely nothing to do with the specific job requirements of being a pilot, and once the court applies the correct legal test to that finding, it is all over for both ACPA and Air Canada.

cloudcity
28th Jul 2011, 20:22
It’s crystal clear. The issue is about 2 pilots already accommodated, not extrapolation via some patchwork quilt of completely meaningless speculation about nothing in particular regarding the state of the hypothetical universe. There is simply no accommodation issue with these 2 pilots. The Tribunal analysis of BFOR is just simply dead wrong, and reading the Supreme Court analysis makes it even deader wrong. Given the clarity of the errors this would have to be about a half-hour deliberation for a Federal Court. In fact, with the Supreme Court as evidence, how would this even be expected to go past the Federal Court. It looks black and white from any direction. There is no BFOR argument anywhere in the USA or Canada, not including AC's little island of confusion and misinterpretation. There appears to have been very limited evidence in the VK Ruling/Decision and you likely can’t completely fault a Tribunal for getting it all wrong as you work with what’s on paper in front of you. But to any layman, reading all the related documentation leads anybody to see a very obvious complete misinterpretation of the law. The big question is does the ACPA membership pay half of VK’s wages again while they sit out awaiting another reinstatement? There’s the undue hardship for you. Saddling a pilot group with the tab for not being able to think like every other airline in both countries.

555orange
29th Jul 2011, 01:09
No EngineFireLeft, If AC chose to increase to 65 like some (not all) other airlines then they would have the management ability to do so. The point is there would be duress to do it, so currently they don't want it, hence comes the BFOR. Not all other airlines have increased to 65. Some are still at 55.

cloudcity
29th Jul 2011, 02:37
No EngineFireLeft, If AC chose to increase to 65 like some (not all) other airlines then they would have the management ability to do so. The point is there would be duress to do it, so currently they don't want it, hence comes the BFOR. Not all other airlines have increased to 65. Some are still at 55.

You’ve missed the entire point. In the VK case, as it will be in the Thwaites case, Age Discrimination is already prima facie proven and upheld by the Federal Court of Canada. The onus is then on AC to show BFOR and under the Guidelines as set forth by the Supreme Court they can’t do that and that trumps any Collective Agreement. When the dust settles you’ll see it in black and white. You can’t legally contract out of it, only in your dreams.

Mechanic787
29th Jul 2011, 05:28
After carefully reviewing the recent Federal Court decisions and the Tribunal decisions as well as the Supreme Court of Canada mandated tests required on the BFOR defence, here is my take on the current situation.

The Tribunal in its 2009 VK decision said, no maximum age. It made no reference to age 65. The Federal Court, in 2011, upheld that portion of its decision although ACPA appealed that decision to the Federal Court of Appeal with respect to Kelly, not Vilven, because ACPA was not named as a Respondent by Vilven. Air Canada did not appeal the decision, so the Federal Court's decision is settled law with respect to Vilven.

The issue of BFOR was referred back to the Tribunal for reconsideration on the basis of the three SCC required steps. The Tribunal's decision of July 8th addresses only that question, but because a BFOR defence supersedes all prohibitions under the CHRA, including age, a BFOR defence could have the effect of killing the case before the Tribunal and the courts. In BFOR, because each complaint must be decided on a case by case basis to measure individual accommodation of each individual complainant pleading discrimination, a finding of BFOR in one case cannot be a precedent to other cases.

As I read the Supreme Court of Canada case law, all defences under the CHRA must be narrowly construed. From my reading of the Tribunal's recent decision, the Tribunal did not recognize that constraint. Strict construction would seem to imply that the BFOR defence cannot be applied in a broad general context, for example with regard to an airline's mandatory retirement policy. Rather, the defence must be evaluated strictly in the context of the specific individual complainants before it.

As the flowchart on the Fly Past 60 web site clearly shows, the Tribunal in its decision overlooked the fact that the purpose of mandatory retirement, to meet the Supreme Court of Canada test, must be a "work-related purpose rationally connected to the performance of the job." The Tribunal found that the purpose of the Air Canada – ACPA mandatory retirement provision was "melding the needs of the company with the collective rights and needs of its pilots."

Tthat purpose has no apparent connection to the actual occupational requirements of the job, the essential part of a BFOR defence. This oversight would appear to mean that as a result the BFOR test should have failed on not just one of the required steps, but on all three of them and that the Tribunal's conclusion that the employer substantiated its BFOR defence is in error.

Further, at the third step of the test the employer is required to demonstrate that it could accommodate each individual complainant to the point of undue hardship. There is no indication in the Tribunal decision either that the Tribunal evaluated that test requirement in the case before it, or that there was any evidence before the Tribunal on the record to demonstrate that the employer actually did attempt to accommodate the individual complainants. As I read the preceding Federal Court decision on the same issue, the employer failed to consider any accommodation of these two individuals. Rather than considering any alternatives it simply terminated their employment in accordance with its mandatory retirement policy.

The upshot of this oversight is that regardless of the witness evidence of the potential cost to the airline of abolishing mandatory retirement, the step three test fails, and consequently the BFOR test fails.

The Tribunal not only missed that test requirement, but it apparently decided a different question entirely. It did not apply the accommodation test in regard to the two individual complainants before it, but applied the step three test in regard to the employer's mandatory retirement policy in general. Wrong question, irrelevant answer.

The interesting issue that will soon present itself is how the impending Thwaites decision from the same Tribunal will compare to the Vilven-Kelly decision on BFOR. Will they be consistent, or will they be polar opposites? Regardless, what will be the import of these decisions for the Tribunal's assessment of the remaining cases before it?

As I see it, the Tribunal itself is in trouble. This is its third decision on this one case in five years, and this is the third time that it erred in its analysis and conclusions.

777longhaul
29th Jul 2011, 23:00
Mechanic787

Thank you for a well worded, thought out, no emotional POV on this BFOR issue.

There are many other mistakes on the actual legal issues of technical matters as well, ie, wrong lawyers for the defence, wrong dates, and many other errors.

Would like to see you on the AVCANADA.CA forum as well.

Mechanic787
30th Jul 2011, 17:53
The Canadian labour relations community and the human rights community is likely to start expressing increasing concern about the questionable competency of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, given recent developments.

The Tribunal has come under public criticism recently for its failure to fulfill its mandate by failing to deal cases before it on a timely basis as well as for an apparent revolt of its own staff, alleging harassment by the new Tribunal Chair. (see: http://www.bcafn.ca/files/breaking-news-2011-03-01.php (http://www.bcafn.ca/files/breaking-news-2011-03-01.php) (text below)).

It is interesting to note that the Tribunal has yet to release its 2010 Annual Report, despite the fact that the books closed on 2010 seven months ago. Could the delay in issuing the report have anything to do with the Tribunal's embarrassment in its apparent inability to obtain a decision from the member who is deciding the Thwaites case some 18 months after the January, 2010 close of that hearing, given the Tribunal's own policy that its decisions be released within six months of the close of a hearing, if not sooner?

Its most recent decision, the Vilven-Kelly BFOR decision, can only add fuel to a fire that is burning robustly. Not only has the decision not yet been posted on the Tribunal web site over three weeks after the release of the decision to the parties, but the decision itself is a remarkable testament to the obvious difficulties that the Tribunal is having demonstrating that it is maintaining any adjudicative competence.

My point here is simply this. The July 8th decision clearly shows that the Tribunal, in considering the evidence and legal issues before it, obviously did not even bother to read the Supreme Court of Canada precedent case that sets out a mandated template for substantiating a BFOR defence. If I am in error on this, namely, the Tribunal did in fact read the Meiorin case before rendering this decision, the decision then indicates that the Tribunal failed to comprehend the most basic minimum legal principles set out in the SCC case, which, of course, is even more problematic.

What it did, instead, is simply quote the fundamental requirements of the SCC mandated test, the proceed to overlook the actual wording that it quoted and apply a completely different test, one that drops the required link between the employer's purpose in requiring mandatory retirement and the occupational basis of the defence—it overlooked the simple fact that a BFOR defence must compare the purpose of the discriminatory standard to the actual characteristics and tasks of the job that is required to be performed.

Even a lay person can understand the need for that link. Bona fide occupational requirement. Occupational requirement. Qualification and competency to perform the tasks required of the job. Simple. Obvious. But apparently not so simple and obvious to the expert Tribunal that is statutorily empowered with the exclusive jurisdiction to enforce the general prohibitions against discrimination enumerated in its enabling statute. Dangerous stuff, because getting this test wrong can have the impact of totally undermining the purpose and effectiveness of the entire Canadian Human Rights Act.

Embarrassing indeed, especially given the monkey wrench that this glitch in the adjudication process is likely to throw into the entire litany of litigation in this single case that has been going on now for eight years and that shows no sign of being resolved any time soon.

My legal beagle friends tell me that this decision, even though it will undoubtedly be overturned on appeal, will likely kill the scheduled hearing for the appeal of the Tribunal's November, 2010 remedy hearing this fall. Because the complaints were dismissed, the appeal of the remedy decision is now moot.

The decision could also have some adverse impact on the scheduling and adjudication of the other pilot mandatory retirement cases pending before the Tribunal.

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Chris Cobb, Ottawa Citizen, March 1 [2011]- The embattled Canadian Human Rights Tribunal was publicly rebuked Monday for a two-year delay in dealing with a case involving the welfare of First Nations children. In a pointed statement,

David Langtry, acting chief of the Canadian Human Rights Commission, said the tribunal's failure to deal with the two-year-old case was having a direct impact on the lives of vulnerable children.

In a parallel action, the Ottawa lawyer acting for First Nations communities filed a statement with the Federal Court asking it to force the tribunal to deal with the case. "It's not simply about money or financial damages," said lawyer Paul Champ, "it's about vulnerable children who are being denied the equal right to stay in their homes and communities. It's no exaggeration to say that more children are harmed every month that passes without this complaint being resolved." Champ says planned hearings at the tribunal were cancelled for no apparent reason.

Langtry agreed with Champ that the delays are harming children. "The hardship of children makes this an urgent matter," he said. At the heart of the case is the underfunding of child welfare agencies on reserves -a federal responsibility -compared with provincially funded child welfare agencies elsewhere in Canada. The complaint was brought to the commission by the Assembly of First Nations and First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada against Indian and Northern Affairs Canada. Champ and other humanrights lawyers say internal strife at the tribunal is crippling its ability to do its work, which is to deal with cases referred by the commission.

According to the Public Service Alliance, five employees -roughly a quarter of the staff -have filed harassment-related complaints against tribunal chair Shirish Chotalia, the Calgary lawyer appointed in late 2009 by the Harper government. More than half of the staff have left for other public service jobs or been sidelined by stress since she took over.

Chotalia has refused to be interviewed about the problems and acting tribunal executive director Frederick Gloade did not return a call from the Citizen on Monday. The Privy Council Office has said it will investigate the tribunal's workplace problems but has yet to do so.

Langtry says the tribunal's decision on the First Nations case could be precedent-setting. "If it is determined that these services do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Canadian Human Rights Act," he said, "Canadians may no longer be able to file discrimination complaints in relation to services provided by the government."

Lysdexia
31st Jul 2011, 07:56
Perhaps the Tribunal should have had a look at the Commission's own web site to learn what a BFOR is, before deciding that it doesn't have to have anything to do with the ability to perform the job:

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/preventing_discrimination/page4-eng.aspx (http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/preventing_discrimination/page4-eng.aspx)

Bona Fide Occupational Requirement

13. What is a bona fide occupational requirement? (http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/preventing_discrimination/page4-eng.aspx#13)
14. What is the process for determining if a rule or a standard is a BFOR? (http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/preventing_discrimination/page4-eng.aspx#14)

13. What is a bona fide occupational requirement?

A bona fide occupational requirement (or BFOR, for short) is a standard or rule that is integral to carrying out the functions of a specific position. For a standard to be considered a BFOR, an employer has to establish that any accommodation or changes to the standard would create an undue hardship.

For example, an airline pilot must have very good eyesight. This standard is integral to carrying out the duties of a pilot’s job.

When a standard is a BFOR, an employer is not expected to change it to accommodate an employee. However, to be as inclusive as possible, an employer should still explore whether some form of accommodation is possible anyhow.

14. What is the process for determining if a rule or standard is a BFOR?

The Supreme Court of Canada established a three-step process to determine if a specific accommodation is a BFOR because it creates an undue hardship4 (http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/preventing_discrimination/page4-eng.aspx#4a). The three-step process encourages the development of standards that are free from discriminatory barriers and that accommodate the potential contributions of all employees.

a) Step one: Establish a rational connection

Was the rule adopted for a purpose rationally connected to the performance of the job?

In the first step, the employer identifies the general purpose of the standard and determines whether it is rationally connected to the performance of the job. For example, in the case of the airline pilot, good eyesight is rationally connected to flying aircraft in all weather conditions.

However, if there is no rational relationship, the employer is expected to accommodate and the rule cannot be a BFOR. For example, the employer believes that good customer service requires that all its employees stand when greeting customers. While the rule of standing to greet customers may have been adopted in good faith and with no intention to discriminate, it has a discriminatory impact on those who use wheelchairs. Is the standard reasonably necessary? No. One might legitimately argue that good customer service does not solely rely on standing to greet customers.

b) Step two: Establish good faith

Did the employer adopt the rule in an honest and good faith belief that it was necessary to the fulfilment of a legitimate work-related purpose?

This step looks at the subjective element of the standard. The employer considers whether the standard was adopted with no intention of discriminating against an employee or group of employees.

The following considerations are helpful in determining whether the rule or standard was adopted in good faith:

Why was the standard developed?

When and by whom was the standard developed?

What process was used to develop the standard?

If the standard is not thought to be reasonably necessary or motivated by discriminatory considerations, then the standard must be changed, as it cannot be a BFOR.

c) Step three: Establish reasonable necessity

Is the rule reasonably necessary to the accomplishment of that legitimate work-related purpose?

In this step the employer examines whether the standard is reasonably necessary. The employer must carefully consider all reasonable options for accommodation, short of undue hardship. If the employer, after exploring all options for accommodation, finds that it cannot accommodate, then the rule can be considered a BFOR.

On the other hand, if the employer finds that it can accommodate the employee, then the employer must change the rule or standard to incorporate the accommodation.

Here are some questions to ask in considering whether the standard is reasonably necessary.

Were alternatives to the standard or rule considered?

If so, why weren’t they adopted?

Must all employees meet a single standard, or could different standards be adopted?

Does the standard treat some more harshly than others?

If so, was the standard designed to minimize this differential treatment?

What steps were taken to find accommodations?

Is there evidence of undue hardship if accommodations were provided?

4 British Columbia (Public Service Employee Relations Commission) v. BCGSEU (1999 35 C.H.R.R. D/257 (S.C.C.) also known by the name of Meiorin

engfireleft
31st Jul 2011, 21:50
I'm sure Air Canada would suddenly find the ability to accommodate an over 60 pilot this August 1st weekend if they had one willing to work.

Lost in Saigon
31st Jul 2011, 22:23
Neil Kelly is over 60, and as of August 1st was once again terminated against his will, because of his age.

767-300ER
1st Aug 2011, 03:35
I see Mechanic 787 is cheerleading along with the FP60 group about this crazy CHRT decision....yep, if the CHRT just accepted the FP60 point of view and RH's arguments, then this would all be done and we could go on to arguing about something else....

As someone here noted, the fact the the lawyer for the FP60 crowd spends his time posting and subsequently getting booted off bulletin boards is rather distasteful and speaks to the fact that this is as much a "public opinion" issue as it is a legal issue.

I find it extremely amusing to listen to all the "legal"analysts here, talking in circles, reiterating what the FP60 propaganda machine is publishing.

If you're all so legally competent, get a law degree and fight this injustice.

777longhaul
1st Aug 2011, 04:00
Anyone know, if....any of the other employee's that were reinstated, have been terminated also?

Is it just V/K, that are being targeted, (just pilots) or are the other AC employee's getting the boot for the second time?

This would be the IAM, CUPE, and the CAW members.

Mechanic787
1st Aug 2011, 10:46
I see Mechanic 787 is cheerleading along with the FP60 group about this crazy CHRT decision....yep, if the CHRT just accepted the FP60 point of view and RH's arguments, then this would all be done and we could go on to arguing about something else....
I am cheerleading no-one. It puzzles me how so many of you "professionals" cannot seem to get by the personam to actually contemplate the essence of the message. There is some valuable content posted here from time to time, but it appears to me that a great deal of it goes unabsorbed by more than a few.

Unlike most here, my interest is in the larger picture: the labour relations and human rights context of this dispute. These Tribunal and court decisions have broad social policy implications that go well beyond the parochial interests of the protagonists. In case you did not discern the underlying thrust of my posts above, let me spell it out for you.

My posts were not focused on the pilot dispute. They were focused on the notion that the Canadian public is currently not being well served CHRT's apparrent inability to display the foggiest grasp of the human rights law and principles that it is constitutionally designated to adjudicate. That is a problem for all of us, including you, by reason of the ultimate cost that will have to be paid for everyone to go through the appeal process to correct the most basic of errors. Maybe your union has lots of money to waste responding to these failings. I know that most others don't.

a330pilotcanada
1st Aug 2011, 15:25
Good Morning 767-300ER:

What you will find with this subject it will attract a certain cadre that are highly strident in their writings. Of interest are some new posters who write in the certain style of an individual who will remain nameless who is banned from writings/postings on PPRuNe.

My friends in the I.T. world say it is possible for one who is banned from a web site can use another domain/url (?) to get by the gate keeper to continue their postings by using a different name.

I did find it humorous that one poster criticized a "retired" senior jurist who wrote the B.F.O.R. ruling for age yet he wants "contractually agreed" sorry I should use mandatory retirement repealed. Other postings have been critical of a Captain Duke who was testifying about the financial difficulty of accommodating the ruling in with a business model in his testimony.

[39] There is nothing in the record of the previous proceedings to suggest that the Tribunal, or the reviewing Judge, found that Captain Duke lacked credibility. Based on my review of his evidence, I am satisfied that he was a credible witness. Further, I find that his evidence is convincing and cogent.

[40] Captain Duke’s testimony has established, on a balance of probabilities, that elimination of mandatory retirement of pilots at age 60, either through a final determination of this case or through revision of the collective bargaining agreement, will carry with it a heavy burden to achieve full compliance with ICAO’s over/under rules.

[41] It is more likely than not that the scheduling of pilots over age 60 will become markedly less efficient and more costly as compared with the certainty that the company has experienced with mandatory retirement requirements which have been in place since 1957. I accept 14 Captain Duke’s succinct assessment of the over/under rule: “It is the conditionality of the restriction that causes the problems.”

[42] Captain Duke’s description of the workings of Air Canada Flight Operations reveals a practical and efficient balancing between the Marketing Department flight requirements and Flight Operation’s ability to assign pilots to them. He testified that the elimination of the mandatory retirement provision in the collective agreement, in combination with the restrictions of the over/under rule, will require the employment of more pilots at greater cost to ensure that all flights will be piloted in compliance with ICAO’s over/under rule.

[43] Based on Captain Duke’s testimony it is inconceivable that Air Canada and ACPA would, together, willingly embrace the inflexibility and cost of matching “one pilot over age 60 with one pilot under

Now the Meiorin test, if one reviews it you will find it is based on "discrimination of sex." If I have the dates right it goes back to 1999 where a female firefighter in the B.C. forest service was terminated because she was 45 seconds over a physical fitness test which was made for men. I find it ironic how a sex discrimination case is now being used for age discrimination. Guess that makes me a dinosaur…….

It seems the protagonists on the other web site "AvCanada" have taken it over here to continue their fight as people have lost interest by the below copied posting.

"I love reading posts by Rockie, Duranium, Lost in Saigon, Accumulous, Norwegianwood, Vic777....

You guys must love sitting around a circle and getting each other all excited about the legal intricacies of this debacle.

Let's do a little recall of the legal victories that have been touted around this issue....

V & K reinstated...well, they were for a short time....
damages for V & K, again, I hope they pocketed the interest on the award, 'cause I think they're going to be paying it back
Cease and desist order for mandatory retirement....nope
precedent for following cases...nope
pain and suffering damages...nope
wilful and reckless damages...nope

Wow, not a lot there..."



In closing I may use a quote taken from a posting from AvCanada by the greatest Englishman ever, Sir Winston Spencer Churchill to those rightly opposed to fly past 60.

“In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity

Lost in Saigon
1st Aug 2011, 19:30
1) How is it that other airlines manage to fly with Captains over the age of 60, yet Air Canada says it will be unable to?

2) If there is no age barrier for First Officers, why can't Air Canada allow their pilots to fly as First Officers after age 60? Just as Neil Kelly did..... How did allowing Neil Kelly to operate after age 60 impact the operations of Air Canada?

What is you explanation on these two points? Why is it Air Canada is the only airline that can't have pilots over the age of 60 when the Federal Regulations of the country they operate in allows it, and other airlines are able to do so?

engfireleft
1st Aug 2011, 19:46
Why is it Air Canada is the only airline that can't have pilots over the age of 60 when the Federal Regulations of the country they operate in allows it, and other airlines are able to do so?


Simple.

Air Canada is either the most incompetent airline in the developed world or they are lying. I used to think they were lying, but now I'm not so sure.

OverUnder
2nd Aug 2011, 17:53
[39] There is nothing in the record of the previous proceedings to suggest that the Tribunal, or the reviewing Judge, found that Captain Duke lacked credibility. Based on my review of his evidence, I am satisfied that he was a credible witness. Further, I find that his evidence is convincing and cogent.

Maybe the witness didn't lack credibility, but his evidence certainly did. For example, on page 1609 of the transcript (still posted on the ACPA web site) he admitted that all of his projections were based on nobody retiring in the next 10 years. He admitted that he assumed 100% of all pilots who were due to retire would stay on not only past age 60, but past age 65 and that to get the projected ages he simply added five years or ten years to the ages of all of the pilots currently at the top end of the equipment list.


When challenged as to if he did other "experiments" with more realistic numbers, such as 50% or 20% of 10% instead of 100%, he said he didn't. He said that he didn't know what the real percentage would be, so he just assumed it would be 100%! Consequently, all of the "experiments" that he did, from which he derived the cost assumptions used by the Tribunal to justify the undue hardship decision, were based on assumptions that had absolutely zero probability of ever occuring.

He even stated that he was certain that 100% would not stay past age 65. In other words, he admitted that his "evidence" was was not based on reality.

It would have been helpful if the Tribunal had considered that fact in its deliberation of the value of the entire testimony, but there is no reference in the decision to that admission or to any other statements made in Captain Duke's cross-examination.

Did the Tribunal even read the cross-examination testimony before accepting all of the speculations as fact? It would seem that fairness would demand some kind of recognition and balancing of the conficting testimony not only of this witness's testimony, but of the testimony of other witnesses that refuted many of his assertions. Nada.

I suppose that there is credibility, and then there is credibility.

Lysdexia
9th Aug 2011, 16:13
Just announced. The long-awaited decision in the Thwaites hearing will be released tomorrow morning. Apparently it deals with both BFOR and whether age 60 is the normal age of retirement for mandatory retirement purposes.

777longhaul
10th Aug 2011, 18:49
The ruling is posted on the FP60 website.

www.flypast60.com (http://www.flypast60.com)

Flatface
14th Aug 2011, 22:31
Ruling dismisses Air Canada pilots' fight against mandatory retirement (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ruling+dismisses+Canada+pilots+fight+against+mandatory+retir ement/5237573/story.html#ixzz1V2Qkdfew)

777longhaul
15th Aug 2011, 22:58
Flatface

Yes, you are correct, it did dismiss the mandatory retirement, well sorta.....

The JR will probably overturn it, because of numerous legal errors.

Read the entire ruling, pay close attention to the "pilots working in similar positions"

The CHRT, (Sinclair) for some unknown reason, took out West Jet, AirTransAt, and Skyservice in the already approved Federal Court list. Can't Do that.

The CHRT, (Sinclair) also ruled on the Charter issue, that was NOT supposed to be legally included in the ruling. Can't do that.

The CHRT (Sinclair), did rule properly, that the BFOR shield, that AC and acpa have been hiding behind for years, is NOT available to them, and the BFOR issue is now dead. So, the ONLY issue AC and acpa can use, is to say that AC employs more pilots in Canada than anyone else, and that they can set the "normal age of retirement". They can not do that, as they are the biggest employer, BUT they do not employ the most pilots is Canada, so they can not set the "normal age of retirement" legally. Period.

ALL the rest of the airlines in Canada, regardless of size, aircraft type, destinations, etc, do NOT force their pilots to retire at 60. That is 100% of the other airlines in Canada. So, AC is the only one, hardly the "normal age of retirement" is it?

The CHRT, (Sinclair) took out West Jet, etc, so that the "normal age of retirement" numbers would work in AC and acpa's favor, however, the previous Federal Court JR set the conditions, definitions, and other critera, and the Federal Court is BINDING on the CHRT, period. So the CHRT (Sinclair) can not do that.

Amazing to think that Air Tindi, is a comparator airline, but West Jet, AirTransAt, Skyservice are not. Does that make sense to you?

Hope this sheds some light on your posting. The big issue, is the BFOR issue, and AC and acpa lost it totally! The Meiorin Test, (go to www.flypast60.com (http://www.flypast60.com)) website, and look at the BFOR flow chart, and you will quickly see how AC and acpa can not use the BFOR issue, just as CHRT Sinclair ruled in this award. (August).

Judge Criag (July award) ruled incorrectly on the BFOR issue on the V/K case, and his award will go to JR also. What do you think are his chances?

This entire issue, has become a joke in the legal sense, and it will go the entire distance from both sides of the fence.

Other POV's are on www.AVCANADA.CA (http://www.AVCANADA.CA) both pro and con.

Flatface
16th Aug 2011, 08:06
I just posted the link about the latest decision.

777longhaul
17th Aug 2011, 02:34
Flatface

I know that you posted it. Thanks.

I put the brief.....facts after your link to the posting, so that those who are reading this, can reference what the ruling says, what it doesn't say, what was legally correct, and what is wrong/right with the ruling from CHRT, Sinclair.

The various rulings require some explaination, and that is all that I am posting. Nothing directed at or about you.

The rulings, regardless of which way they go, will most likely go to JR, by any and or all the parties.

Lysdexia
20th Aug 2011, 17:54
For the record, Mr. Sinclair is not a judge. He was the Chair of the Tribunal, and he was a law professor, but he never was a judge.

In any event, his error in dismissing the complaints is about to be corrected without a judicial review. Air Canada agreed that the Tribunal should continue to hear the Charter arguments in the case, and the Tribunal has now ordered all parties to make submissions regarding the type of hearing needed to continue the case.

777longhaul
25th Aug 2011, 00:26
new update on www.flypast60.com (http://www.flypast60.com)

go to the top left corner, look for Last Update.

777longhaul
10th Sep 2011, 07:50
New update on www.flypast60.com (http://www.flypast60.com)

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:18
Good Morning All:

This is the Air Canada filing to save you the trouble going over to their web site:


Court file No. T-
I Y ')3 ~ I)

FEDERAL COURT
AIR CANADA


Applicant

-and-

ROBERT ADAMSON, ROBERT DAVID ANTHONY, JACOB BAKKER,
DONALD BARNES, MICHAEL BINGHAM, DOUG BOYES, KENNETH BUCHHOLZ, DANIEL BURROWS, DAVID G. CAMERON,WAYNE CASWILL, GEORGE COCKBURN, BERT COPPING, GARY DELF,
JAMES E. DENOVAN, MAURICE DURRANT, COLM EGAN, ELDON ELLIOTT,LEON EVANS, ROBERT FORD, LARRY FORSETH, GRANT FOSTER,GUY GLAHN, KENWOOD GREEN, JONATHAN HARDWICKE-BROWN,TERRY HARTVIGSEN, JAMES HAWKINS, GEORGE HERMAN,JAMES RICHARD HEWSON, BROCK HIGHAM, LARRY HUMPHRIES,GEORGE DONALD IDDON, PETER JARMAN, NEIL CHARLES KEATING,GEORGE KIRBYSON, ROBIN LAMB, STEPHEN LAMBERT, LES LAVOIE,HARRY G. LESLIE, ROBERT LOWES, GEORGE LUCAS, DONALD MADEC,DON MALONEY, MICHAEL MARYNOWSKI, BRIAN MCDONALD,PETER MCHARDY, GLENN RONALD MCRAE, JAMES MILLARD,BRIAN MILSOM, HOWARD MINAKER, GEORGE MORGAN,GREG MUTCHLER, HAL OSENJAK, STEN PALBOM, DONALD PAXTON,MICHAEL PEARSON, DAVID POWELL-WILLIAMS, PAUL PRENTICE,MICHAEL REID, PATRICK RIESCHI, STEVEN ROSS, GARY SCOTT,PHILLIP SHAW, ANDREW SHERET, MICHAEL SHULlST, DONALD SMITH,OWEN STEWART, RAY THWAITES, DALE TRUEMAN,ANDRE VERSCHELDEN, AND DOUGLAS ZEBEDEE


CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION


AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION


Respondents


APPLICATION FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW
UNDER SECTION 18


.1 OF THE FEDERAL COURT ACT
NOTICE OF APPLICATION
TO THE RESPONDENTS:

A PROCEEDING HAS BEEN COMMENCED by the applicant. The relief claimed


by the applicant appears on the following page.


THIS APPLICATION will be heard by the Court at a time and place to be fixed by the Judicial Administrator. Unless the Court orders otherwise
, the place of hearing will be as requested by the applicant. The applicant requests that this application be heard at Montreal.


IF YOU WISH TO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION

, to receive notice of any step in the application or to be served with any documents in the application, you or a solicitor acting for you must prepare a notice of appearance in Form 305 prescribed by the Federal Court Rules and serve it on the applicant's solicitor, or where the applicant is self represented, on the applicant, WITHIN 10 DAYS after being served with the notice of application.

Copies of the Federal Court Rules, information concerning the local offices of the Court and necessary information may be obtained on request to the Administrator of this court at Ottawa (telephone 613-992-4238) or at any local office
.

IF YOU FAIL TO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION, JUDGMENT MAY BE GIVEN IN YOUR ABSENCE AND WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE TO YOU


.

Date


:

SEP O8 2011

L'ORIGINAL ATSIGN PAR RAZVAN MOVILA HAS SIGNED THE ORIGINAL

Issued by


: ___________ _

Address of local office

30 McGill St.

Montreal, Quebec H2Y 3Z7

Tel.: (514) 283-4820


Telecopier:


(514) 283-6004

30 McGill Street

Montreal, Quebec

H2Y 3Z7


To: Raymond Hall

2226 West Taylor Boulevard
Winnipeg (Manitoba)
R3P 2J5


AND

David Baker
4711 Yonge Street

, Suite 509
Toronto (Ontario)
M2N

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:21
Part 2

Counsel for: Robert Adamson, Robert David Anthony, Jacob Bakker, Donald Barnes, Michael Bingham, Doug Boyes, Kenneth Buchholz, Daniel Burrows, David G. Cameron, Wayne Caswill, George Cockburn, Bert Copping, Gary Delf, James E. Denovan,Maurice Durrant, Colm Egan, Eldon Elliott, Leon Evans, Robert Ford, Larry Forseth, Grant Foster, Guy Glahn, Kenwood Green, Jonathan Hardwicke-Brown,Terry Hartvigsen, James Hawkins, George Herman, James Richard Hewson,
Brock Higham, Larry Humphries, George Donald Iddon, Peter Jarman, Neil Charles Keating, George Kirbyson, Robin Lamb, Stephen Lambert, Les Lavoie, Harry G. Leslie, Robert Lowes, George Lucas, Donald Madec, Don Maloney, Michael Marynowski, Brian McDonald, Peter McHardy, Glenn Ronald McRae,James Millard, Brian Milsom, Howard Minaker, George Morgan, Greg Mutchler,Hal Osenjak, Sten Palbom, Donald Paxton, Michael Pearson, David PowellWilliams,Paul Prentice, Michael Reid, Patrick Rieschi, Steven Ross, Gary Scott, Phillip Shaw, Andrew Sheret, Michael Shulist, Donald Smith, Owen Stewart, Ray Thwaites, Dale Trueman, Andre Verschelden, and Douglas Zebedee

To: Donald Paxton
15212 Columbia Ave,
White Rock (British Columbia)
V4B 1J3

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:23
Part 3

To: Daniel Poulin
Canadian Human Rights Commission
344 Slater Street

8th Floor
Ottawa (Ontario)


K1A 1 E1



Counsel for the Respondent Canadian Human Rights Commission


To: Bruce Laughton


Laughton& Company

Suite 1090 - 1090 West Georgia Street
Vancouver (British Columbia)
V6E 3V7


Counsel for


Respondent Air Canada Pilots Association


TO: Canadian Human Rights Tribunal


160 Elgin Street, 11 th Floor

Ottawa (Ontario)
K1A 1J4




TO: Attorney General of Canada


Minister of Justice
284 Wellington Street



Ottawa (Ontario)
K1A OH8





APPLICATION


This is an application for judicial review of a decision dated August 10, 2011of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (the "Tribunal") in Tribunal file numbers

T1196/0807, T1197/0907, T1246/5807, T1247/5907, T1263/7507, T1279/0908,T1280/1008, T1336/6608, T1337/6708, T138010609, T1390/1609, T1402/2809 and T1418/4409, (the "Decision").


In the Decision (reported at 2011 CHRT 11), the Tribunal dealt with seventy complaints filed by individual pilots formerly employed by Air Canada who alleged that Air Canada and the Air Canada Pilots Association ("ACPA") discriminated against them by requiring that they retire at age 60 pursuant to themandatory retirement rule found in the collective agreement entered into between Air Canada and ACPA. In the Decision, the Tribunal determined that Air Canada had not met the burden of proving that it will suffer undue hardship with the elimination of the age 60 retirement rule and accordingly, concluded that Air Canada could not rely on the defence of bona fide occupational requirement under ss. 15(1 )(a) and 15(2) of the Canadian Human Rights Act ("CHRA').


In the Decision, the Tribunal ruled that Air Canada could not rely on the defence of bona fide occupational requirement despite the existence of international conventions established by the International Civil Aviation Organization ("ICAO'') to which Canada is a party and which impose maximum age limits on pilots who flyinternationally.


The Applicant makes application for:



(a) an order in the nature of certiorari quashing the Decision of the Tribunal;

(b) the costs of this application; and


(c) such further and other relief as counsel may advise and that this

Honorable Court may deem just.


The grounds for the application are:



(a) The Tribunal erred in law and in fact in finding that the Applicant did
not meet its obligation of accommodation prior to November 2006; and


(b) The Tribunal erred in law and in fact in finding that Air Canada did not meet its burden of proving that it will suffer undue hardship with the

elimination of the age 60 retirement rule.


(c) Such further and other grounds as counsel may advise and this
Honorable Court permit.

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:24
Part 4

This application will be supported by the following material:
(a) an Affidavit from Harlan Clarke, Director of Labour Relations at Air
Canada, together with exhibits attached thereto, to be sworn and filed in
this Honorable Court; and
(b) such other affidavits and material as counsel may advise and this
Honorable Court permit.
September 8, 2011 .
Heenan Blaikie LLP
Maryse Tremblay
Heenan Blaikie LLP
1250 Rene-Levesque Blvd . West
Suite 2500
Montreal, Quebec H3B 4Y1
T : 514 846.2288
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Counsel for Air Canada
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a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:41
FP 60 Application
Court File No. T- 112 g -11
FEDERAL COURT
BETWEEN:
Robert Adamson, Robert David Anthony, Jacob Bakker,
Donald Barnes, Michael Bingham, Doug Boyes,
Kenneth Buchholz, Daniel Burrows, David G. Cameron,
Wayne Caswill, George Cockburn, Bert Copping, Gary Delf,
James E Denovan, Maurice Durrant (Estate of), Colm Egan,
Eldon Elliott, Leon Evans, Robert Ford, Larry Forseth,
Grant Foster, Guy Glahn, Kenwood Green, Jonathan HardwickeBrown,
Terry Hartvigsen, James Hawkins, George Herman,
James Richard Hewson, Larry Humphries, George Donald Iddon,
Peter Jarman, Neil Charles Keating, George Kirbyson,
Robin Lamb, Stephen Lambert, Les Lavoie, Harry G. Leslie,
Robert Lowes, George Lucas, Donald Madec, Don Maloney,
Michael Marynowski, Brian McDonald, Peter McHardy,
Glenn Ronald McRae, James Millard, Brian Milsom,
Howard Minaker, George Morgan, Greg Mutchler, Hal Osenjak,
Sten Palbom, Michael Pearson, David Powell-Williams,
Paul Prentice, Michael Reid, Patrick Rieschi, Steven Ross,
Gary Scott, Phillip Shaw, Andrew Sheret, Michael Shulist,
Donald Smith, Owen Stewart, Ray Thwaites, Dale Trueman,
vi,./' Andre Verschelden, and Douglas Zebedee ---
Applicants
"! - and-
AIR CANADA,
-'-
-:-- AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION and
'" r ~r~ - _\
-~ - rJ.~ Respondents
APPLICATION UNDER Sections 18 and 18.1 of the Federal Courts Act and
Rules 300 and 317 of the Federal Court Rules
NOTICE OF APPLICATION FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW
L...-___ ~~~_~

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:42
Part 2:


TO THE RESPONDENTS
:
A PROCEEDING HAS BEEN COMMENCED by the applicant. The relief claimed by the
applicant appears on the following page.
THIS APPLICATION will be heard by the Court at a time and place to be fixed by the
Judicial Administrator. Unless the Court orders otherwise, the place of hearing will be as
requested by the applicant. The applicant requests that this application be heard at Toronto.
IF YOU WISH TO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION, to receive notice of any step in the
application or to be served with any documents in the application, you or a solicitor acting for
you must prepare a notice of appearance in Form 305 prescribed by the Federal Courts Rules
and serve it on the applicant's solicitor

, or where the applicant is self-represented, on the
applicant, WITHIN 10 DAYS after being served with this notice of application.
Copies of the Federal Courts Rules information concerning the local offices of the Court
and other necessary information may be obtained on request to the Administrator of th

is Court
at Ottawa (telephone 613-992

-4238) or at any local office.
IF YOU FAIL TO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION, JUDGMENT MAY BE GIVEN IN
YOUR ABSENCE AND WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE TO YOU.

September 6, 2011
ORIGINAL sIGNED BY



SANDRA MCPHERSON



ASIGNE L'ORlGINAL


Issued by:

_______________ _
(Registry Officer) Courts Administration Service
PO

P.O. Box 10065, 3rd Floor 701 West Georgia Street
Vancouver, B.C. V7Y 1SG



TO: Air Canada

AND TO:



c/o Heenan Blaikie LLP



1250 boul. Rene-Levesque oust, Suite 2500
Montreal, QC H3B 4Y1
Tel: (514) 846-1212


Fax.: (514) 846.3427



Attn: Ms. Maryse Tremblay



I hereby Certify that the above document is a true copy of the original is a true copy of the original issued out of/filed in the Court on day of


SEP'O 6 2011


Dated this day of

SEP 0 6 2011



AND TO: Canadian Human Rights Commission

344 Slater Street, 8th Floor



Ottawa, ON K1 A 1 E1



Tel.: (613) 947-6399


Fax.: (613) 993-3089



Attn: Mr. Daniel Poulin, Counsel

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:45
Part 3
AND TO:
Air Canada Pilots Association

c/o Laughton & Company
Suite 1090, 1090 West Georgia Street
Vancouver, Be V6E 3 V7
Tel.: (604) 683-6665
Fax.: (604) 683-6622
Attn.: Bruce Laughton, Q.c.

The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal

900 - 473 Albert Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 1J4
Tel.: (613) 995-1707
Fax.: (613) 995-3484

Attn.: Ms. Nicole Bacon, Registry Officer

Attorney General of Canada
Justice Building
239 Wellington Street
Ottawa, ON K1 A OHB
Tel.: (613)957-4222
Fax.: (613) 954-0811

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:47
Part 4:

Court File No. T- 142.<6 -11

FEDERAL COURT

BETWEEN:

Robert Adamson, Robert David Anthony, Jacob Bakker, Donald Barnes,
Michael Bingham, Doug Boyes, Kenneth Buchholz, Daniel Burrows,
David G. Cameron, Wayne Caswill, George Cockburn, Bert Copping,
Gary Delf, James E Denovan, Maurice Durrant (Estate of), Colm Egan,
Eldon Elliott, Leon Evans, Robert Ford, Larry Forseth, Grant Foster,
Guy Glahn, Kenwood Green, Jonathan Hardwicke-Brown,
Terry Hartvigsen, James Hawkins, George Herman,
James Richard Hewson, Larry Humphries, George Donald Iddon,
Peter Jarman, Neil Charles Keating, George Kirbyson, Robin Lamb,
Stephen Lambert, Les Lavoie, Harry G. Leslie, Robert Lowes,
George Lucas, Donald Madec, Don Maloney, Michael Marynowski,
Brian McDonald, Peter McHardy, Glenn Ronald McRae, James Millard,
Brian Milsom, Howard Minaker, George Morgan, Greg Mutchler,
Hal Osenjak, Sten Palbom, Michael Pearson, David Powell-Williams,
Paul Prentice, Michael Reid, Patrick Rieschi, Steven Ross, Gary Scott,
Phillip Shaw, Andrew Sheret, Michael Shulist, Donald Smith,
Owen Stewart, Ray Thwaites, Dale Trueman, Andre Verschelden,
and Douglas Zebedee

-and -

AIR CANADA,
AIR CANADA PILOTS ASSOCIATION and
CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION
APPLICATION FOR JUDICIAL REVIEW

Applicants

Respondents

1. This is an application for judicial review of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal
("Tribunal") decision 2011 CHRT 11 released August 10,2011 in which the Tribunal
dismissed the complaints of the Applicants and two other complainants (who are not
Applicants in this proceeding, Mr. Brock Higham and Mr. Don Paxton).

2. The hearings in respect of Tribunal files T1196/0807, T1197/0907, T1246/5807,
T1247/5907 , T1263/7507 , T1279/0908 T1280/1008, T1336/6608 & T1337/6708 ,

- 1 -

a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:48
Part 5:

T138010609, T1390/1609 , T1402/2809, & T1218/4409 for which the August 10,
2011 was rendered , were held in October and November, 2009 and January, 2010.
3. On August 17, 2009, the Tribunal directed that the hearing of the complaints
commence in the week of October 5, 2009 and continue in the week of October 26,
2009.
4. On September 23, 2009, the Complainants to the proceeding filed and served a
Notice of Constitutional Questions in respect of the complaints. Service was made
upon the Respondents, the Attorney General of Canada and the Attorneys General
of Canada's Provinces and its Territories.
5. On September 25, 2009, Air Canada filed in the Federal Court an application for
judicial review of a separate Tribunal decision, 2009 CHRT 24, a complaint
involving two Air Canada pilots, Mssrs. Vilven and Kelly, complainants whose
complaints were substantially similar to the complaints filed in the Tribunal
proceeding leading to this Application , namely complaints regarding mandatory
retirement at age 60.
6. On September 25, 2009, Air Canada filed with the Tribunal and served upon the
parties to this proceeding a motion to adjourn the scheduled hearing of the
complaints of the Applicants pending the outcome of the judicial review application
in the Vilven-Kelly proceeding. Air Canada cited as grounds for its motion to delay
the scheduled October 5, 2009 commencement of the hearing of the complaints in
this proceeding, among other grounds, being provided insufficient notice to
adequately prepare evidence and expert reports in support of a defence to the
constitutional questions, should the hearing commence as scheduled on October 5,
2009.
7. The Tribunal, after receiving submissions from all of the parties in respect of the
motion, issued a direction on October 2, 2009 that stated, in part:
The Tribunal has reviewed in detail the motion and supporting materials of Air
Canada, the submissions of ACPA in support of Air Canada's motion and the
responding materials and submissions of the complainants; The Tribunal has
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a330pilotcanada
10th Sep 2011, 12:49
Part 6:

concluded that the hearing into the complaints should go forward on October 5th
.
The evidence and legal submissions shall be directed to s. 15(1 )(c), 15(1 )(a) and
15(2) of the Canadian Human Rights Act.
The question of the constitutionality of s. 15(1 )(c) will not be considered by the
Tribunal at this time. After the conclusion of the evidence on s. 15(1 )(c),
s. 15(1 )(a) and s. 15(2) of the CHRA, the parties, if so advised, may make
submissions as to whether the Tribunal should hear evidence and argument on
the constitutional question, and if so, the Tribunal will set dates for the hearing of
this question.
8. The constitutional issue was then deferred pending the outcome of the hearing into
Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of the Act on its merits. The subsequent Tribunal hearing
concerned itself only with the other two outstanding issues, the "normal age of
retirement" defence or exception, and the bona fide occupational requirement
("BFOR") defence.
9. In its decision of August 1 0, 2011 in respect of the first issue, the Tribunal
concluded at Paragraph [182]:
[182] Given this conclusion, the mandatory retirement imposed on the
Complainants at age 60 pursuant to the collective agreement between the
Respondents by virtue of s. 15(1 )(c) of the CHRA does not constitute a
discriminatory practice ....
10. In respect of the second issue, the Tribunal made findings in respect of each
Respondent's BFOR defence. In respect of ACPA's BFOR defence, the Tribunal
stated at Paragraph [346]:
[346] For these reasons, I have concluded that ACPA has failed to satisfy steps
one and two of the Meiorin test. The result is that ACPA cannot rely on
the BFOR defence provided by s. 15(1 )(a) of the CHRA.
and at Paragraph [405]:
[405] The choice is difficult. But in my opinion, the impact of eliminating the age
60 retirement rule does not reach the threshold of "undue" hardship. I
have concluded therefore that ACPA has not satisfied the third step of the
Meiorin test.
11. In respect of Air Canada's BFOR defence, the Tribunal stated at Paragraph [429]:
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[429] At the end of it all, my opinion is that Air Canada has not met the burden
of proving that it will suffer undue hardship with the elimination of the age
60 retirement rule. Accordingly, it cannot rely on the BFOR defence under
s. 15(1 )(a) of the CHRA.
12. In its conclusion, the Tribunal dismissed the complaints by reason of its finding in
respect of the Paragraph 15(1 )(c) issue. At Paragraph [430] it stated:
[430] I have concluded that the Respondents can rely on s. 15(1 )(c) of the
CHRA so that the mandatory retirement policy at age 60 does not amount
to a discriminatory practice. Accordingly, the complaints are dismissed.
13. The Applicants make application for:
A. an order quashing Tribunal decision 2011 CHRT 11 , dated
August 10, 2011 , in part; namely, quashing:
1. the dismissal of the complaints; and
2. the Tribunal's finding in respect of Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of the Act,
namely the finding "that the Respondents can rely on s. 15(1 )(c)
of the Canadian Human Rights Act so that the mandatory
retirement policy at age 60 does not amount to a discriminatory
practice;"
B. an order awarding costs to the Applicants; and
C. such further and other relief as this Honourable Court considers
just.
14. The grounds for the application are as follows. The Tribunal erred in law and fact
and failed to observe principles of natural justice and procedural fairness and
exceeded its jurisdiction:
A. in failing to consider the entire legislative and jurisprudential context of
the Act and of Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of the Act in the application of
Paragraph 15(1 )(c) to the facts of the complaints of the Applicants;
B. in failing to narrowly construe the defence or exception to a
discriminatory practice provided by Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of Act,
C. in electing to use a statistically-based (50% plus one) method of
determining the "normal age of retirement," in the circumstances where
the number of pilots employed by the dominant carrier in the market,
the Respondent Air Canada, has the effect of so skewing the statistical
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analysis as to effectively allow Air Canada to unilaterally "set" the
"normal age of retirement," contrary to the intentions of Parliament and
the purposes Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of the Act,
D. having chosen to use a statistically-based method of determining the
"normal age of retirement," failing to narrowly construe the defence or
exception in Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of the Act so as to properly apply the
law to the facts of these complaints in the context of the purposes of
the Act and the intentions of Parliament in enacting the defence or
exception under Paragraph 15(1 )(c);
E. in misconstruing the proper test required to determine which Canadian
airline pilots are "employees working in positions similar" to the
Applicants;
F in misconstruing the proper test required to determine that age 60 is
"the normal age of retirement" for "employees working in positions
similar" to the Applicants and/or whether a "normal age of retirement"
for those employees even exists;
G. in concluding that the Respondent Air Canada had discharged its onus
under Paragraph 15(1)(c) of the Actto demonstrate that age 60 is the
"normal age of retirement for employees working in positions similar to
the position" of the Applicants;
H. by dismissing the Applicants' complaints, having erroneously found
that Air Canada had discharged its onus under Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of
the Act to demonstrate that age 60 is the "normal age of retirement for
employees working in positions similar to the position" of the
Applicants;
I. by dismissing the complaints, having previously directed that
constitutional issue be addressed after the conclusion of dealing with
the issues in s. 15(1 )(c), s. 15(1 )(a) and s. 15(2) of the Act, and
J. such further and other grounds as counsel shall advise and this
Honourable Court shall permit.
15. The Applicants plead and rely on:
A. Sections 18 and 18.1 of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C. 1985,
c. F-7, as amended;
B. Rules 300 and 317 of the Federal Court Rules, SOR/98-106;
C. Paragraph 15(1 )(c) of the Canadian Human Rights Act, and
D. Such further and other statutes as counsel may advise and as this
Honourable Court may permit.
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17. This application will be supported by the following material:
A. a supporting affidavit on behalf of the Applicants served and filed in
accordance with Rule 306;
B. the relevant documentary exhibits and written submissions that
were before the Tribunal; and
C. such further and other evidence as counsel may advise and this
Honourable Court may permit.

Respectfully submitted this 6th day of September, 2011

Raymond . Hall
Barrister & Solicitor

2226 West Taylor Boulevard
Winnipeg, MB
R3P 2J5
Tel. : 204-897-9000
Fax: 877-778-8482
E-Mail: [email protected]
Counsel for the Applicants
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On the www.flypast60.com (http://www.flypast60.com) website today:

Lufthansa Pilots Win Age 60 Case at EU Court of Justice BBC Report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14899014)

The decision is reported on EU Court of Justice web site

(Case C-447/09: Prigge and Others (http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=en&newform=newform&Submit=Submit&alljur=alljur&jurcdj=jurcdj&jurtpi=jurtpi&jurtfp=jurtfp&alldocrec=alldocrec&docj=docj&docor=docor&docdecision=docdecision&docop=docop&docppoag=docppoag&docav=docav&docsom=docsom&docinf=docinf&alldocnorec=alldocnorec&docnoj=docnoj&docnoor=docnoor&radtypeord=on&typeord=ALL&docnodecision=docnodecision&allcommjo=allcommjo&affint=affint&affclose=affclose&numaff=&ddatefs=&mdatefs=&ydatefs=&ddatefe=&mdatefe=&ydatefe=&nomusuel=&domaine=&mots=pilots+age+60&resmax=100) ).

A PDF copy of the decision (http://www.flypast60.com/Documents/EU-Age60.pdf) has been placed on our web site.



Thwaites: Air Canada's Notice of Application, Judicial Review (http://www.flypast60.com/Documents/Thwaites-AC-JR.pdf)

Thwaites: Complainants' Notice of Application, Judicial Review (http://www.flypast60.com/Documents/Thwaites-JR.pdf)

Thwaites: 2011 CHRT 11 (http://www.flypast60.com/Documents/2011CHRT11.pdf)