Atlas/Polar

[Flynn747]

Dear Pilots,
On the 4th of July we ask for your support in declaring our Independence from the tyranny imposed upon us from this unscrupulous management team.

Management wants to continue with things as they are. They are making an incredible amount of money, paying us at the old rate. They do not have to honor the new trip rigs/days away from base.

They will win a new, weak scope section as Judge Kasher is very biased and will side with management against labor. He has shown his true colors in the past.

On Independence Day;
1. Atlas/Kalitta Pilots will no longer fly Polar Flights
2. Polar Pilots will share the pain by blocking out 16 minutes late

Our goal is to force management to sign our new contract as it is negotiated, not as it will be assigned by Judge Kasher.

We chose the Polar flights because management is continuing to add these flights to our schedule, Keeping us out longer without the protections of our new contract and paying us at the old, outdated pay rates. Polar alone cannot fly these flights and they are easily identifiable.

In blocking out late, the fines imposed on management will make it very expensive to continue without a new contract in place. Please use the code, "New Contract needed" in the acars message.

We ask for your support in this endeavour. This is not sactioned by nor even known by Union Officials. They will come out against this on paper, but remain strong, our solidarity outweighs managements greed.

Pass this around.

[email protected]

[unwashed]

K4 pilots flying Polar routes or stuff?

[fergineer]

And with fines that will be one or more pilots gone......Have you ever understood that there will be many who will work for what you earn and that in the long run they will sign on the dotted line. You are asking to sabotage a working company that if they fold will leave even more out of work.

[Trimix]

People shouldnt drink and type:=

[nitty-gritty]

1. Atlas/Kalitta Pilots will no longer fly Polar Flights
2. Polar Pilots will share the pain by blocking out 16 minutes late

Pretty typical and sounds familiar of the MEC Bobb Henderson days. Polar crews asking everyone else to risk their jobs in an illegal job action for Polar crews sole benefit while the Polar crews do not risk their jobs at all.

I think everyone else is waiting for Polar to take a turn at it.

[Willit Run]

Flynn,

Whats the signifigance of blocking out 16 minutes late??

And; what Polar routes are the Kalitta folks flying?

[MarkerInbound]

I think 16 minutes is officially late per the DHL contract.

[czechairman]

Hey, just wondering if anyone wouldn't mind giving me an idea of what the schedules are like? Are you gone for a full 18+ days or do they have you back at base in-between shorter trips? So if I lived within a driving distance of the base, would I be home more? Also, I wasn't clear if you have to live within a certain distance of the base or not? Finally, are you guys a part of the CASS system? Can I jumpseat on other carriers and do you get any ID90 benefits. Appreciate any info you might have. Thanks

[Flynn747]

First to answer many e-mails;
Who am I?
I am a small group of Atlas and Polar pilots disappointed with the current state of contract negotiations.

There is not any Union involvement, not even former Union reps.

This is not an illegal job action. If we struck and refused to fly any freight, it would be illegal. We will continue to fly all non-conflicted freight.

What is our goal?
To force the company to accept out terms and not be forced to accept thier terms.

On Independence day we will prove to the company 1 of 2 things;
1. We have the balls to stand up to them.
2. We don't have any balls and they can have thier way with us.

Time to stand up and be counted.

Please pass this around and get as many people involved as you can.

Thanks for your help
[email protected]

[Fr8Dog]

Flynn747
Independence Day
First to answer many e-mails;
Who am I?
I am a small group of Atlas and Polar pilots disappointed with the current state of contract negotiations.

There is not any Union involvement, not even former Union reps.

This is not an illegal job action. If we struck and refused to fly any freight, it would be illegal. We will continue to fly all non-conflicted freight.

What is our goal?
To force the company to accept out terms and not be forced to accept thier terms.

On Independence day we will prove to the company 1 of 2 things;
1. We have the balls to stand up to them.
2. We don't have any balls and they can have thier way with us.

Time to stand up and be counted.

Please pass this around and get as many people involved as you can.

Thanks for your help
[email protected]


Absolutely, They will cave in to all of your demands by blocking out 16 minute late.

You smoking crack or what?

FR8

[Flynn747]

The day is here.

Atlas/Kilitta crews, please don't fly any Polar Freight.
Polar crews, block out late.

These two actions will cost the company a money.
That is their only incentive.

Good Luck

[email protected]

[1Wingnut]

So, there are about to be pilot job openings at Atlas/Polar?

[Fr8Dog]

These two actions will cost the company a money.

So your not just a moron, your illiterate too! :ugh:

[sodapop]

So your not just a moron, your illiterate too!

YOU'RE illiterate as well Fr8Dog.

[WhaleDriver]

So, as usual, Polar is doing their part.

PO 998, 9 minutes EARLY
PO 948, 3 minutes late
PO 997, 6 minutes EARLY
PO 211, Ontime

That's it so far. Remember, this airline is just a six airplane operation, and only has 10 departures on the 4th. Almost half way there, and nothing. So far, is this working for you?

We really don't have any idea who is behind this. FLYNN747 could be a 13 year old, or just someone acting 13?

[nitty-gritty]

Are any of us surprised? No.

You have to give support to get support. Polar has never done so and has asked everyone one else to risk themselves without any reciprocation on their part in the past.

Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.

[742]

Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.

I would like to suggest a different interpretation. What I see is a very small group that has now demonstrated that they do not speak for the Polar pilots. And perhaps the Polar pilots have taken the opportunity to make that clear.

[11Fan]

WhaleDriver, 12 hours since your earlier post.

PO 998, 9 minutes EARLY
PO 948, 3 minutes late
PO 997, 6 minutes EARLY
PO 211, On Time

How did the balance of flights turn out?

BTW, No dog in the hunt, just curious.

[nitty-gritty]

I would like to suggest a different interpretation. What I see is a very small group that has now demonstrated that they do not speak for the Polar pilots. And perhaps the Polar pilots have taken the opportunity to make that clear.

That works also.

While I love being able to make a whole labor force movement against management, it can't be done solely at the whim of a few that are not happy. Especially if they were of the past leadership.

[dumbdumb]

From NIttyGritty: You have to give support to get support. Polar has never done so and has asked everyone one else to risk themselves without any reciprocation on their part in the past.

Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.

Seriously? Talking out the end you shouldn't is what I gather from your post. I'm a good neighbor and return tools when borrowed. However, I will not ask for tools from scabs (not saying you are one) or from people with no back bone. Most of you do not fit the above and thank goodness there's new blood coming in through the ranks of newhires. The Atlas side of the house gets roughly a measly ten percent pay hike if and when the arbitrator rules, profit sharing has financial triggers involved, listened to Bourne's koolaid speech to join Teamsters (how's that workin' out for ya), and some work rule improvements.

Rumor has it that there's going to be another ALPA push after arbitration. Time will tell, I guess. So as far as your "garage" is concerned, there's nothing in there to borrow so why even bother. Having said that, I have no issues with Atlas folks as long as they don't get there almighty wholier than thow attitude going against the Polar folks.

If you voted to pass your last contract years ago shame on you. That's a question I love to ask when talking to some on the Atlas side of the house when it's brought up. I let them complain and complain then all I do is ask if they voted for it. If they say yes, enough said.

IMO, we're going to have safety in numbers when or IF the arbitrator rules. The catch is staying on the correct side of the house and throwing away your koolaid glass if you have one.

[WhaleDriver]

First, there is just as much Kool Aid over at Polar. Second, there are no scabs as a result of your strike, get over it.

There may be a push for ALPA but it will go nowhere. D. Bourne made no real promises, other than having our own Local, but I don't believe we are ready for that, yet. We have guys squealing about assessments for a strike fund, imagine the noise a real assessment to operate our own local will generate.

One of ten flight was 17 minutes late.

[nitty-gritty]

Seriously? Talking out the end you shouldn't is what I gather from your post. I'm a good neighbor and return tools when borrowed.

So you say, but I have not seen any behavior like that. Although I think a couple of your guys showed up at a picket line for Amerijet once. Probably for the after party food.

The Atlas side of the house gets roughly a measly ten percent pay hike if and when the arbitrator rules, profit sharing has financial triggers involved, listened to Bourne's koolaid speech to join Teamsters (how's that workin' out for ya), and some work rule improvements. Has come along very nicely. Grievances on the Atlas side are now getting addressed. ALPA would not spend money on them before. We got the roadblock (Polar) out of the way to get the merger going, allowing us to get the long overdue merged contract done. Who do we have to thank for that long delay = Polar. Even the NMB ruled we are a single carrier despite Polar's actions and assertions otherwise. Screwing both pilot groups collectively from your self centered actions.

Rumor has it that there's going to be another ALPA push after arbitration. Time will tell, I guess. Take your collective votes and see what you get on the ALPA push. Pilots are always going to b!tch, but the vast majority have seen an improvement with the Teamsters on the Atlas side. Can't say much on the current Polar side since they do not collaborate currently and probably the same after the merger. We complain, but we at Atlas also know we are better off now vs what ALPA was doing to us (maybe better said not doing for us).

Take your numbers you have and lets vote. I know what they are, and how it will turn out. Last time it was 84%. A record for a decertification in the airline industry. My bet is that none of you would spend a dime of your own money to try. Guess what, it takes some money and effort.

So as far as your "garage" is concerned, there's nothing in there to borrow so why even bother.Maybe I was wrong. Maybe your the neighbor that comes over and drinks most of my beer, offends everyone at the party, complains about the lawn, pisses in the pool, pukes on the porch and stumbles just to the edge of the yard to pass out short of his house after being kicked out. Reminds me of a couple of Polar crewmembers at the hotel in Liege.

Having said that, I have no issues with Atlas folks as long as they don't get there almighty wholier than thow attitude going against the Polar folks. As far as the " almighty wholier than thow attitude" crap, isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black.

If you voted to pass your last contract years ago shame on you. That's a question I love to ask when talking to some on the Atlas side of the house when it's brought up. I let them complain and complain then all I do is ask if they voted for it. If they say yes, enough said. Review this shockwave slide show first. Click on each image to continue to the next.

Presentation to ALPA Executive Council (http://cptaudio.com/merger/Jan24_2006PresentationtoALPAExecutiveCouncil.swf)

This has never been disputed on record and no one on the Polar leadership side has been willing to say anything on record, but are completely happy to have their membership continue the lies you insinuate yourself.

I voted for the contract. I also knew Polar was waiting in the wings to fly our equipment. Thank your then MEC Chair B. Fell for me on that. Guess you can't since he got canned for double dipping. More of that integrity thing going on there.

Polar already got 5 of our A/C and South Ameriican routes earlier resulting in furloughs. Then everything was set up to have more moved over during the countdown to strike for Atlas. Where was the solidarity that started this thread in those cases? That goes away when there are upgrades on the Polar side to be had obviously. So I had no confidence that the Polar membership would do the right thing then or now.

Thus my vote due to Polar actions.

If there was ever an ounce of legitimate regret expressed by the Polar leadership/membership, I would not have a problem going forward in a joint respectful effort. That has not happened, thus my total lack of expectations of the Polar group doing the right thing. You collectively just have to be dragged along like so much extra weight holding us back. Your comments pretty much prove that out.

[free at last]

Great Post!!!! For all concerned . It is really time to move on and make Atlas, you'r company, a leader in the Freight World, and keep it that Way!

[dumbdumb]

Once again, you're proving your wholier mentality.

You're already insinuating that I am pushing for ALPA. I was only stating something that is circulating. But go ahead and assume that all pilots on the Polar side were happy with what went on.

I have no problem moving on but don't kick sand and insults in my face just because I'm on this side of the fence. Is your way of thinking to stereotype all ethnic races into one category as well? I'm not going to sit here and call you a racist. But come on. To put all of us in one basket is ridiculous!

Get over yourself Nitty. Again, we -- well most of us -- feel we're on the same side. I can't help what our union leadership did. As someone else already stated what's in the past is in the past.

I didn't and won't condone the bull that someone thought was a braniac idea to delay the flights. Personally, I and others shook our heads at this and had a good laugh with it.

I will drink your beer and you're more than welcome to mine. But as far as messing up your lawn or your pool I don't see that happening. So let me guess: Your side doesn't have ANY crewmembers that have messed up on the road? Yeah, that's what I thought. Enough said.

We could go back and forth on the flying being traded across both of the certificates but really, is it worth it? Personally, I don't care. The only thing I'm upset about is the current Captain slots only being awarded to one side. That is completely wrong but I'm sure you're going to find a way to justify it.

The only conclusion I gather from your posts is that you despise Polar pilots. Well, that's too bad as most of us are pretty genuine people just like most of the Atlas side of the house. But as we all know, every airline has it's one percenters. So keep hating. I don't and like to look at things from both perspectives.

Can I borrow a pitcher? Mine was borrowed last night from some Atlas folks. I told them to return it before they departed as they're on a three day layover and my other one is at my son's dorm room. :)

[3pointlanding]

You are correct in one respect, nitty and a few other Bourne lackies do hate Polar and they also resent the fact that the Polaroids have Long memories. Nothing will change that fact.
As to the grievances, I cannot get the slugs at the teamsters to even return my calls. So much for support.
And as for Atlas being s world freight leader, hah! I do not care how many new airplanes Atlas gets, the mentality will always be third tier. It is the attitude of management, not equipement, tha makes a leader. An Atlas doesn't have it.

[Talon757]

Good grief. I feel like I've stumbled into Flightinfo.com. :rolleyes:

Just for the record, it is holier, not "wholier". Doesn't anyone use spell check anymore?

[WhaleDriver]

Time for a group hug..............soon we'll all be on big happy family. But, the question is, will Bob H. ever wear the Atlas ID that he SWORE he would never do?

[dumbdumb]

Yes, I got the guitars out and there will always be the haters. I don't but just becuase a union says we don't have to recognize those who flew struck freight, well, I have my own opinion on that one. It doesn't mean I'm going to hunt you down and let you know but rest assured those are the ones on my no drink list. Not that they care. I'll get the job done when the time comes but that's that.

As for grammar and speeell chking . . .. .well, this I passed the required classes for my degree and as much as I try and watch that type of stuff it will steel get by. Or is it steal? Oh I got it, it's still. :8

Let's enjoy the good times while they're here. I just saw another base bid for more new hires and Captains for the Atlas side. So enjoy!

[Heracles]

"The polaroids have a long memory"......hmmm
How about this:
- 3% ??,
- or, just for giggles, the PPRUNE SCAB LIST..

Oh, wait, my bad. Those were the "bad polaroids". Kinda like it was just the "bad muslims" on 9/11. Rouge un-authorized zealots. BS

The cool thing is,, I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, but I have an EXCELLENT front row seat. And it is fascinating to be so close, to know so much of the history, to have lived so many of the events personally, to know so many of the people involved,,, it's actually quite entertaining...

To be brutally honest,, I will come clean to all of PPRUNE and admit:

I AM A SCAB (according to polar).

If anyone wants to know what it takes to be labeled a scab by the polar pilots, I will GLADLY tell my story. The law suits are settled, the "alpa war-wings" are in the drawer, etc. So theres probably no harm.

No axe to grind, no agenda, NOTHING TO GAIN.. "Just The Facts, Ma'am"
Now, who wants to click "re-play"?

--heracles

[FirstStep]

If you don't have a "Dog" in the fight anymore, then maybe you should be posting on Forums that you do ( have a Dog in ). There are those in the "here and now", that won't benefit from having the "pot stirred" any more than it already is, yet alone from someone sitting on the out-side. Like the proverbial guy on the outside of a fight, goating the fighters on. I'm hoping to "build" a better relationship with the Polar guys, for everyones sake.
So, move on. Please. Find something you enjoy, that brings you happiness. Why muddle in the past, on percieved slights and wrongs. Unless, that is what motivates you as a person. And if that's so, well, you need something more than this forum can provide.
Just my two cents worth.

[nitty-gritty]

Heracles,

You don't even have to be on the "list" of theirs. You just have to be an Atlas crewmember.

It won't matter what you say with facts or reason. From you, others or their past union ALPA.

They think they are right no matter what. Despite what the ALPA Alternative Dispute Resolution said, what their own strike chairman (who is their TEC guy now) on record said, the past attempted Article 8 on the accused and the ALPA issued Battle Stars to all at Atlas by ALPA. I was going to go through and find the links again, but it obviously would be a waste of time.

There is more on record like the Atlas crews being the only US carrier to hold a sympathy strike for another air carrier in ALPA history (ref ALPA legal dept), but Polar will not believe it nor look introspectively into what they have done in the past and present to harm Atlas crews that is non-brotherly in this over decade long situation. Quick to ask for help, never there when it is asked of them, and always blaming someone else.

They have been and probably always will be that extra weight we have to drag along with us as proven with changing to Teamsters. They pretty much voted as a block of 164 for ALPA. The same ALPA that told them they were wrong on all their scab issues. Probably voted for ALPA only because they were willing to block the merger as they had for years.

As dumbdumb said, "It doesn't mean I'm going to hunt you down and let you know but rest assured those are the ones on my no drink list. Not that they care. I'll get the job done when the time comes but that's that. "

Funny how many take this stand and refer to themselves as not haters. Seems disingenuous, but that is nothing new.

[Heracles]

VERY well stated Nitty..
In fact, clear and concise enough that I think I will quietly return to my "box-seat", this in spite of FirstStep's litany of assumptions about me. I do wonder however how FirstStep would react were his name PUBLISHED as a scab for following to-the-letter alpa's instructions.

I guess it's like I try to teach my grand-daughter, "You gotta be the bigger kid".
-- heracles out

[Flynn747]

To the few of you that had the backbone to take a stand, Thank You.

To the rest of you, we are very disappointed.
Now that the company knows we do not have the guts to stand up to them;
The ability to organize;
Nor the ability to stick together;
They will walk all over us, regardless of what Judge Kasher rules.

We will be just like Joe Muckles other little group, ABX
A new contract,
no scope,
and furloughed quickly.

If any other group tries to organize, please contact us at this e-mail

Sincerely.
[email protected]

[742]

To the rest of you, we are very disappointed.

Who is "we"? The People's Front of Judea?

You are not elected. You hide behind an anonymous user name on a web site based in a different country. And you expect the Polar pilots to follow you? Not to mention Atlas? And thinking that the Kalitta pilots would participate in your illegal job action was bizarre, if not delusional.

I have been through a merger before. Here is what is going to happen. 90%+ of the Atlas pilots and 90%+ of the Polar pilots will work together with no drama. They will drink beer together, they will go find restaurants together. A few subjects will be avoided.

When they get home they will go about their lives for the simple reason that they have one.

The <10% from both organizations will continue to wallow in a cesspool of their own making. The rest will keep an ever increasing distance from them.

That is the future. It has been played out over and over again, and this merger will not be any different.

[CargoMatatu]

Well said, 742. :D

[Trimix]

You got it right 742:ok: I have found that some people at Atlas/Polar do not want to be happy. They will look for things to bitch about and never be satisfied. YES, things could be better but this is where we are and stirring up the pot over the past has no constructive use. Here's an idea....why not find something positive about the merger and new scba?

Oh, thats right...life sucks ...Atlas is a bunch of scabs, Polar should be stapled to the bottom, We're gonna be furloughed, Bourne sold us out....etc..etc Feel better now??

[Willit Run]

Hey Flynn??
I don't know where your comin from or what you want, but you truely are koooky.
This is called life! Deal with it. Nothing remains the same. Change happens; deal with it.

[Flynn747]

It's really sad that there are so many haters on both sides of the house.

We had hoped to come together and force the company to sign the contract as it was negotiated, not as it is assigned by Judge Kasher. This will take both sides of the house to cause enough chaos.

The weak scope clause will be the end of us all. We are sorry that you couldn't understand the cause. Just keep fighting among ourselves, the end is near and management has won.

[free at last]

you might be right!!!!!!

[Intruder]

He also might be wrong. There is NO indication so far that there will be a "weak scope clause"...

[MIGHTY 8]

Flynn747, and the rest of the lot of you....you know who you are.

You are truly the only "haters" posting on this board. You've had to be told time and time again, by some of the most pragmatic and forward-thinking pilots from both sides to lay off and move on, but you still don't get it. It's my belief, and that applies to "those" some others here...that you NEVER will.

So be it. Continue with your rants, accusations, references to vague decade-old ALPA "who-gives-a-****-anymore" rulings, court documents, etc...

We have WAY many more good guys here that couldn't care less about a group of old "has beens" to think you and your kind are going to have any influence/and/or pull around here. Just like your "independence day" showed.

I can't speak for anyone else, but you're the walking talking metaphor of the "drunk uncle" in the room that no one pays attention to anymore. And get this....everyone feels sorry for, and worse, embarassed by.

You, Flynn747, popping up here so recently, I have even considered you for some company landluving stooge, wasting time away up in Purchase in between shifts? Bored with your life, and deciding to feel out the pilot group a little?

If you're so compelled to continue to air out your dirty laundry, why not do so on the IBT 1224 forum?-at least REAL names appear there, and one does not have the luxury of hiding behind some faux pilot handle..

An added benefit, THE REST OF US HERE do not have to continue to atone to the rest of the pilot community, for the embarassement that you and your kind, have wrought upon us.

Nothing to see here folks...Really.

:ok:

[CargoMatatu]

:D:D:D:D :ok:

[Po Boy]

Well said 8, some of these same individuals are still bitching about the Eastern Airline strike :ugh:

Move on already

[free at last]

The way you think, is the reason plumbers , make more money than you do, and they have a retirement package! Soon the cashier at the local supper market will surpass you'r income!!!:O

[Po Boy]

Soon the cashier at the local supper market will surpass you'r income!!!

Well, when that happens, I'll be sure to change professions :E


Can't wait until we finally have this contract signed and behind us, it's time to move on, and work as a team here at Atlas!

[Flynn747]

This week our union posted a new e-mail, signed by both TEC's, showing everyone how poorly the company is treating us. They are stalling this new contract, relying on Kasher to humiliate us all with another ruling in favor of management. All the time, the best we can do is fight with one another on this board.

Nitty-Gritty and 742, you talked about having tools in your garage, how about breaking those tools out and show us how to bring this management team to back to the bargaining table and sign this new contract, now....

Management will not sign a new contract until it cost more to operate under the current contract. Got that boys, how do we make it more expensive for them to operate under these current conditions?

Our goal was to cost them money with penalties under the DHL contract and revenue under the Polar flying. If you have better idea's, we're listening. :ugh:

[email protected]

[free at last]

seems like you guy's will be well coming 2020 before you get a contract:ugh:

[FirstStep]

So, You have some inside scoop on Kashner's decision?. Wow, I'm impressed. Let's hear it.
I know he's taking his time on a decision. We are all frusterated with that. However, I doubt our Union wants to spent the time or energy ( say financial resources ) in fighting a battle that may already have ended in our favor ( aka K's decision ).

If, on the other hand, your just stirring the pot, well, please preface your diatribe with, "Just stirring the pot guys...".

"He who foresees calamities suffers them twice over".

[Flynn747]

Well Boys,
We're still waiting for you to lead the way, but we haven't heard from you.

If any one still thinks Kasher's decision is going to be in favor of the pilot group, we laugh at you and remind you there is madatory drug testing in this job.


Let us draw you a picture;

Pilots------------------------------------------------------management
--------------------------------:ok:-----------------------------------
------------------------------Kasher----------------------------------

Any Questons?

Remember, The company is paying for Kasher's time......

Come on, let's have some idea's about bringing management back to the table and sign a negotiated contract.

[email protected]

[bpp]

Well Flynn.... let's hear your suggestions (outside of a one sided job action).

bpp

[D-LZ 126]

There are other ways to fight rather than intentionally delay flights. No one I know flying at PAC is that stupid- further, PAC's on-time record bears this out.

Flynn sounds to me like a mgt sockpuppet. Beat it, Flynn.

[CAO]

"Flynn
Well Boys,
We're still waiting for you to lead the way, but we haven't heard from you.

If any one still thinks Kasher's decision is going to be in favor of the pilot group, we laugh at you and remind you there is madatory drug testing in this job.


Let us draw you a picture;

Pilots------------------------------------------------------management
--------------------------------http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif-----------------------------------
------------------------------Kasher----------------------------------

Any Questons?

Remember, The company is paying for Kasher's time......

Come on, let's have some idea's about bringing management back to the table and sign a negotiated contract.

[email protected]"

Blaah, Blaah, Blaah...nobody wants to chime in because nobody cares. Move on already.

I choose to live my life with the glass-half-full mentality...you, and ones like you, live in the past, with nothing but contempt for everyone and everything around you.

I'm so glad to be going to the 767 at Atlas, that I won't have to deal with guys like you until several years after the merger has been in place...and as Captain on that operation, I can be the only a$$ in the cockpit. ;):eek::p

It's high time we don't pander to this moron...I'm so done with guys like him.

[DownIn3Green]

Po-Boy makes a very astute (and true) observation on the topic of this thread...

Some folks still haven't gotten over the EAL Strike...how many Captains out there flying today even know what it was about, let alone when it was???

Heck, most of todays "Greybeards" didn't even shave 22 and 1/2 years ago...That's right...March 04, 1989...20+ years ago...

Po-Bo's right...get over it...You're working, maybe not compensated in the manner you would prefer, but as previously stated, there are plenty of pilots who would gladly take your place...

And ALPA has apparently forgiven the EAL "new-hires" (i.e.-CAL, SWA) so get over your whatever it is and put your energy into constructive thinking, rather than the "me, me, ME!" concept...

ALPA can do it, so can you...

[D-LZ 126]

ALPA might 'forget' about EAL/COA/UAL scabs given enough pecuniary incentives, not I.

EAL and COA were like yesterday to me, I'll never forget the smug expressions of those scum as they crossed the lines. 'Plenty of pilots that will take your place'...yes, I saw that quite clearly.

Might as well forgive the guards at Treblinka, too. They were 'just doing what they had to do to feed their families'.:yuk::yuk::yuk::mad:

[Fr8Dog]

D-LZ 126

ALPA might 'forget' about EAL/COA/UAL scabs given enough pecuniary incentives, not I.

EAL and COA were like yesterday to me, I'll never forget the smug expressions of those scum as they crossed the lines. 'Plenty of pilots that will take your place'...yes, I saw that quite clearly.

Might as well forgive the guards at Treblinka, too. They were 'just doing what they had to do to feed their families'.

ABSOLUTELY! The new ones just won't listen and learn because they know it all already!

[Flynn747]

Well, here we are, on the eve of Kasher's decision.
We hope all you do nothings are correct and Kasher gives us the scope we hoped for, if not, we're sure the company will take care of us, because they love us so.

You fella's didn't like our plan to move the company, yet did nothing, not one single idea.

We're sorry we failed to motivate you. We'll be here as long as the rest of you.

Flynn
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[DownIn3Green]

Yeah Flynn...Like puss festering in that pimple on your a$$...You'll still be there...Sooner or later though the antibotics will get you...Have a great trip....See you downline sometime...

[Atlas Shrugged]

Grow up Flynn!

[Flynn747]

Well, we hope everybody got what they wanted from Kasher's Decision. We know management did. We now have a nice little, concessionary contract, without any scope protection. How long will it be before management starts hiring a new group of pilots at Polar and decides it is in their best interest to move all the flying to Polar, putting all us well paid Atlas pilots on the street.

And the reason we don't have a scope agreement with Atlas Worlwide? In 2007, our fearless leader, Dave Bourne acting as our ALPA MEC Chairman, signed an agreement with Atlas Airlines, to negotiate and not take any job actions. You all remember that, everyone thought Bourne had screwed them. Well, that became a source document for Kasher, and now that bad decision has screwed us all again.

Stop believing Bourne and don't follow him, he is leading you the wrong way. :ugh:

Flynn

[atlast]

Oh Flynn, thank goodness you have come along just when we needed you. Please let me drink from the Kool-Aid from your chalice. Hmmm, feeling sleepy......

Seriously, why don't you put your time and effort into volunteering to HELP your fellow crewmembers instead of spouting vehement rhetoric concerning water passed under the bridge. You might an excellent steward for example.

[Flynn747]

The Polar guys in our group are right, most Atlas guys don't have a clue. Read the previous posts.

With the new elections coming up and the limited groups of people nominated, it doesn't leave us many choices.

We were hoping some of the youger guys/gals would step up and run. Sorry to say, we're stuck with many of the same old choices.

We are not promoting one group or the other, they both have their pluses and minuses. Please look at the candidates closesly. One group has a weak leader, however the other group has a fellow that writes on this board regularly, spewing all sorts of hate.

May be time for a write in candidate.

Good Luck
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[Intruder]

So now you show yet again that you don't have a clue, either. If you don't like the whole group, then vote for the individuals!

[nitty-gritty]

I noted a number of Polar guys in the eboard and exco elections. Doesn't take much to elect from that or do a write in.

I'll keep my recommendations to myself unless prompted.

[Flynn747]

We are all Atlas employees.

Take the time to think through each of the candidates/slates and vote for the team/individuals that will do the best job for all of us.

1224 needs an Atlas guy at the helm for the next few years. Muckle has not helped any smaller member airline in 1224.

Vote

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[atlast]

Maybe Aliens have taken over the old Flynn, I don't know, but I agree with the new Flynn!:ok:

[unwashed]

I have been told that if you "write in" a candidate your ballot will be void.

[CAO]

I agree with Flynn also...I need to get to the doctor really fast to make sure I've not come down with an illness.

Nicely said, Flynn...:D