Smoking in cockpit......and journos exaggerations

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Saudi airline urged to investigate smoking captain
by ASC Staff on Jun 19, 2011

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Allegations that the captain of a recent Saudi Arabian Airlines flights was caught smoking in the middle of a journey between Jeddah and Paris must be investigated, an eyewitness has urged.

According to a report on the Emirates 24/7 website, which in turn quoted an Arabic daily newspaper, passengers feared the worst after noticing that smoke was billowing from the cockpit in the middle of their flight.

Following complaints to a stewardess, the passengers were assured that the smoke was not caused by an aircraft problem, but due to the captain having a cigarette.

“When they yelled to the stewardess and told her about the smoke, she simply replied that the captain was smoking and that she could not do anything about it,” the original report has stated.

“A Saudi university professor who was among those passengers called on the Saudi Airlines to investigate the issue and punish the pilot since smoking is strictly banned on all Saudi flights.”


Saudi airline urged to investigate smoking captain | ArabianSupplyChain.com (http://www.arabiansupplychain.com/article-6096-saudi-airline-urged-to-investigate-smoking-captain/)

I am not in favour of smoking in the cockpit, however what sort of reporting is this? "passengers feared the worst" and "smoke billowing out of the cockpit". These are exaggerations that can cost someone's career and there should be some responsibilities borne by journos.

[PT6A]

On the other hand, I have witnessed both the Captain and FO chain smoking on an Air India flight....

Indeed when the cockpit door opened the smoke did indeed billow out.

[d71146]

Always remember years ago whilst waiting to travel as a passenger on a Peach Air 1011 at Gatwick the captain was having a smoke from a large crooked pipe in the cockpit filling up the cockpit with bright blue smoke it was rather funny to see but I felt for the rest of em on the flightdeck,will never forget that sight.

[Checkboard]

To be fair, under EU-OPS at least:

OPS 1.335

Smoking on board
(a) The commander shall ensure that no person on board is allowed to smoke:
1. whenever deemed necessary in the interest of safety;
2. while the aeroplane is on the ground unless specifically permitted in accordance with procedures defined in the
Operations Manual;
3. outside designated smoking areas, in the aisle(s) and in the toilet(s);
4. in cargo compartments and/or other areas where cargo is carried which is not stored in flame resistant containers or covered by flame resistant canvas; and
5. in those areas of the cabin where oxygen is being supplied.

Smoking is also prohibited where the "No Smoking" signs are on ... so - there is actually nothing in the regs to stop a Captain smoking on the flight deck. There may be something in an Operations Manual, or indeed in workplace Health & Safety regulations (although aviation is often exempt.)

[PT6A]

Does EU-OPS state the cockpit is a designated smoking area then? Or else you would be in breach of point number 3, smoking outside of a designated area.....

[Kirks gusset]

Even though this is now against Turkish Law as well as DGCA regulations, they still smoke in cockpits..what can you say!

[Loose rivets]

Cough, cough. Weeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz. Cough cough.:*



The Dak was placarded in red, upon a nicotine stained background. The rain drain gutter under the DV panel was often filled to overflowing with nearly extinguished butts.


One ex Over the Hump in Burma fella, called for wheels on a tight base-leg, then with one hand, lit up, dragged until he'd got a loooooong red point glowing, then stub it out as the wheels peeped on. The other dog-ends usually scattered onto his lap.

This is in the days when CRM was dodging the captain's fist. :ouch:

[LadyGrey]

I thought, all flights worldwide are non-smoking ( at least for pax ) :confused:

Am I wrong?


Biz-Jets of course excluded.....:)

[FLCH]

Ahh the days of using alcohol swabs to the clean all the buttons (I was going to say knobs, but decided against it) of nicotine layered on year after year of smoking on the DC-10 Flight Engineer panel......Halcyon days !!! :rolleyes:

[chai ja]

Where I work, in Asia, we are allowed to smoke if the Commander smokes. In some companies in Asia I have heard of that they actually write "smoking is allowed at a rate of XXX per XXX Hours...!"

[fantom]

On my first take-off at Kuwait, having just joined Kuwait Airways, we were cleared to go and the line trainer lit up just as we rolled.

[Capot]

The late (I think), great Alan Bodger of Gulf Aviation/Gulf Air would leave his office to fly the occasional sector, DC3 or F27, as Captain when needed; lighting up a fresh cigar was one of his taxying checks, so as to have it going properly for the take-off. Most FOIs (CAA) ignored it if they knew what was good for them, but one was bold enough to comment, whereupon Alan offered him one too.

[mokilu]

Was he saudi or expat?

If saudi, no problem.

If he was an expat... someone is going to loose one hand:{

[fireflybob]

I thought, all flights worldwide are non-smoking ( at least for pax )

Am I wrong?



LG, not so but the airline can (and most do now) state that a condition of carriage is that their a/c are non-smoking.

[brakedwell]

One useless peice of information I still remember from the Argosy makers course at Baginton almost fifty years ago was the eye watering price of the flight deck ashtrays, which were £75 each, due mainly to the high cost of CAA certification. :8

I made sure the RAF got it's moneys worth!

[Neptunus Rex]

brakedwell

So did I. When I flew Shacks, after take-off, as soon as the Flight Engineer had completed his fumes check, the PNF lit two ciggies and passed one to the PF. We survived.

[Kuchan]

Quite a number of Arab countries pilots smoke in the cockpit.

A number of 1st world countries pilots would not smoke unless in the designated area. That sort of discipline makes their countries strong and powerful and respectful.

New generation aircraft re-circulates approx. 20% your FART and smoke back to your cabin. So, enjoy the smoke of others (passive smoking).

[grounded27]

Most crew members did not care so much if I stuck a plastic spoon in the door seal on DC10 type aircraft, pretty much sucked all smoke and odour outside. I used to get a kick out of non aviation type jumpseaters grasping the fact that they could see light from outside at 38k.

[flugholm]

And then there's the top managers of certain airlines, who come to the flight deck for a couple of minutes. Not for socialising with the minions, but just to have a smoke.

[crew747]

Smoking in the cockpit on Saudi flts is allowed!! The crews that smoke are usually rostered to operate together and the same for non smoking crews.

[Teddy Robinson]

I smoke, but never in the cockpit ... thats a personal thing .... other Captains maintain it as their right to do so, but are discreet about it ......... so .......... as we are all part of a team up there, and with a bit of thought applied, unless the cabin crew member had an issue with the captain, why say that to a planeload of passengers, probably a fair proportion of whom were also smokers ? one rule for them, another for us ? that won't go down well.

I'm happy that flights are non smoking nowdays for everyones sakes, but most of the fumes on the flight deck are from burnt bread rolls in the ovens, and there is something called live and let live eh ?

[AvMed.IN]

I suppose the smoking pilots must remember that they are already flying into thin air (http://www.avmed.in/2011/03/flying-into-thin-air-understanding-hypoxia/), being hypoxic.
And not just hypoxia (http://www.avmed.in/2011/03/flying-into-thin-air-understanding-hypoxia/), there may also be a hidden threat of aerotoxic syndrome (http://www.avmed.in/2011/02/aerotoxic-syndrome-a-cause-for-concern/), which may not be identifiable in a cockpit filled with the smell of smoke.

[Slasher]

I smoke, but never in the cockpit ... thats a personal thing

What if yer FO smokes? An admitted smoker yourself but would
you deny yer offsider a quick one esp on long flights? Smacks
of double standards to me if you do.

PS: I'm an ex-smoker but I'll be damned if I'm ever going to
become a pain-in-the-butt reformie.

[Dream Buster]

Odd how:

Tobacco smoke is taboo / deadly

whilst

Oil smoke is OK / harmless?

Cranfield report finally published (http://www.aerotoxic.org/index.php/news-and-articles/580-cranfield-report-finally-published)

Could somebody please explain the di££erence....
:E

[grounded27]

Could somebody please explain the di££erence....

Yeah, put that in your next contract. There are still many countries that do not have smoking laws. Sucking in stale oil fumes of older aircraft is the cost of a ticket. Both the drivers and the pax have the choice (giving they have done their reasearch)

Boeing boost, that 787 will have electric ACM's? Have not heard of where the heating air that used to be from the engines comes from.

[poina]

747

That is utter BS. Saudi's insist that it is their right to smoke. It matters not if they have bid a no smoking line, nor what is written in the policy manual. I speak from 19 years experience of putting up with this sh@t. And for you uninitiated, don't even try the "you're the captain, kick him off the flight", you will only lose as on your next check, he'll light up on the taxiway.

What separates the 1st world from the rest of the "developing, developed, 2nd, 3rd, 8th, etc." world is the ability to enforce the law no mater how unpopular.

RE: driving & smoking

[Lemain]

As an ex-heavy smoker married to a heavy smoker I can see both sides of the problem. Smokers don't perform as well when denied their nicotine (patches and gum etc. don't quite do it). Yet there are real dangers in smoking when driving and flying (mainly during certain phases of flight) due to hot ash falling or fags falling onto the lap, onto the floor.... So if you ban smokers you get less than 100% from them after a time which can be dangerous, if you let them smoke then you have other risks or simply 'unacceptable social behaviour' affecting others.

The only real answer is not to employ nicotine addicts at all but that would take a huge number of excellent pilots out of the system; could it cope?

[vctenderness]

A tiny bit off topic but still related.

When the aircraft smoking ban was first introduced it was common on the 747 for cabin crew smokers to remove the trollies from their stowage in the galley, which leaves a large sealed area, get in and have a crafty smoke!

Many a time I appeared in the galley and opened the doors to find a red faced steward/ess hudled up (cold as it is chilled) and surrounded by a fog of smoke.

Happy days:ok:

[brakedwell]

The only real answer is not to employ nicotine addicts at all but that would take a huge number of excellent pilots out of the system; could it cope?

When I started flying in 1956 smoking was fashionable and a high proportion of the population smoked, which would have resulted in an almighty pilot shortage :)

[Little cloud]

I recall a while back a youtube cockpit video, possibly eastern Europe or the Balkans and possibly a cargo DC9 - an instrument approach where the crew were all smoking and the talk, according to those who knew the language spoken, was of chicken farming and the price of eggs. Anyone still have a link to that? My searches have failed to find it.

The late Jim Lee, of Shackleton fame, used to smoke on the Logi Islander flights up in Orkney, of course most of the pax were smoking too! Neat little chrome plated ashtrays on the Islander in those days. The longer sectors were just long enough for a smoke!

[Basil]

Odd how:

Tobacco smoke is taboo / deadly

whilst

Oil smoke is OK / harmless?

BiL is a reformed smoker and, unlike Slasher, will stand in the street with buses and taxis dieseling past and complain about a smoker several yards away.

My ol' skip on Viscounts used the OM as the signal to light up the last of the flight.

Haven't smoked for years - must have a nice Cuban one of these days - and a decent cigar as well :p

[brakedwell]

Haven't smoked for years - must have a nice Cuban one of these days - and a decent cigar as well

You can buy both in Havana :E

[Slasher]

...will stand in the street with buses and taxis dieseling past
and complain about a smoker several yards away

Not only are those buggers annoying, but esp those who are UPWIND of
any smoke and complain bitterly - which means they are not breathing
anything in, just they can't stand SEEING it. Its them I detest the most.

If the FO smokes I simply ask if he can keep it to not more than one durry an
hour, and only at those convenient times when I have an option to leave the
cockpit if I reckon his ciggies pong like burnt horse**** (Dunghills for one!).

[fireflybob]

YouTube - ‪JAT Boeing 727‬‏

Look carefully at 3.29!! How's things were in the olden days!

[TURIN]

boeing boost, that 787 will have electric acm's? Have not heard of where the heating air that used to be from the engines comes from.

Pprooners?? :E

[brakedwell]

Heat Exchangers :8:8

[AnthonyGA]

The only real answer is not to employ nicotine addicts at all but that would take a huge number of excellent pilots out of the system; could it cope?

Those excellent pilots could always stop smoking. If keeping their drug habit is more important than their career, then they are not excellent pilots.

Substance abuse is incompatible with safety in aviation.

[stepwilk]

Spoken like a true nonpilot.

[Lemain]

Substance abuse is incompatible with safety in aviation.I'm not convinced that the term 'substance abuse' should be applied to nicotine. You could argue it both ways but there is a huge stigma associated with 'substance abuse' so probably best not to use the term.

Many, many firms - not just in aviation - refuse to employ smokers. Period. I don't know what the legal situation is in the UK/EU or elsewhere but surely all of us here must know that to be true? I gave up when it got to the point that I was always craving a ciggie -- shops, restaurants, certain workplaces (this was before the blanket EU ban in buildings) etc. I reasoned that I might as well get the grief over with and have done with it.....it worked but it was hell, to be honest.

I see friends with electronic fags today, with little lights on the end and 'smoke' emanating from them. I think they have just transferred their addiction to those, because they are so realistic. Presumably they are safer health-wise, they are not hot so cannot cause damage and seem not to smell as far as I can tell so won't offend even the fussiest other than those who object to their pilots having nicotine in their blood per se, a group I don't have any time for, honestly. Apparently not everyone allows these to be used in non-smoking places? If they are allowed, maybe it's the answer for flight-crew?

[fantom]

Look carefully at 3.29!! How's things were in the olden days!

I have a few years on 727 but I can't see anything @ 3.29.

Clue, please.

[Lemain]

Clue, pleaseIt is said that there is no fire without it ;)

[AnthonyGA]

I'm not convinced that the term 'substance abuse' should be applied to nicotine. You could argue it both ways but there is a huge stigma associated with 'substance abuse' so probably best not to use the term.

Sometimes it applies, stigma or not.

There are people who smoke maybe one cigarette a week, or one a month, or only on rare social occasions when someone else is smoking, in order to fit in. They don't have a problem, and substance abuse hardly is a term one would apply to them. It's still a stupid idea to smoke, but at least they are not addicts.

But when someone is prepared to risk his job or safety or legal consequences just to indulge his addiction to tobacco, there is a problem, and substance abuse—complete with stigma—fully applies. A pilot who cannot stop smoking despite a prohibition on doing so is in exactly the same boat, addiction-wise, as a passenger who insists on sneaking a cigarette in the lavatory. They both have a substance abuse problem and they are both taking unnecessary risks. The passenger risks becoming the leading cause of in-flight cabin fire, and the pilot risks being impaired by hypoxia or incapacitated by a cardiovascular accident.

Spoken like a true nonpilot.

Spare me the irrelevant "non-pilot" comments, please. Pilots are not a separate species, and they have the same behavior, psychology, and physiology as every other human being, irrespective of what a few of them seem to believe. When they are lifetime smokers, their lungs look the same at autopsy as those of other tobacco addicts, and they have the same 50% risk of dying from a smoking-related disease that other smokers have. Addicts come from all walks of life, although they are always a minority of the population (current evidence indicates that a minority of people are predisposed to addiction, whereas the rest of the population is not). When the doctor sees the shadow on your x-ray, the fact that he's not a pilot isn't going to help you.

I could say, "spoken like a true smoker," because people with addictions tend to be extremely defensive about those addictions and extremely defensive whenever the topic comes up. That doesn't prevent them from suffering the consequences of the addictions, though.

[stepwilk]

Spare me the irrelevant "non-pilot" comments, please.

I could say, "spoken like a true smoker,"

I don't smoke. I'm just tired of coming to this supposed professional pilots forum to find it clogged by the moronic comments of game players, truck drivers, model builders, Top Gun wannabes and others who have nothing of relevance to contribute. Find yourself an appropriate forum of your own, or simply listen/read and don't bother us with your irrelevant opinions.

[Lemain]

A pilot who cannot stop smoking despite a prohibition on doing so is in exactly the same boat, addiction-wise, as a passenger who insists on sneaking a cigarette in the lavatory. They both have a substance abuse problem and they are both taking unnecessary risks.Not a good simile as both cases involve only nicotine. You are equating nicotine with mood-altering and CNS-affecting substances (ethanol, opiates, cannabinols...). Do you think it's appropriate to use the same collective noun ("substance abusers") for smokers and those with, say, a drink problem, alike?

It seems that you have a real hate on for nicotine addicts. Don't forget that many of today's adults were addicted during a time when smoking was the usual behaviour, in society. Even today, the trade in nicotine is legal, marketed and advertised one way or another.

Tell me, what do you feel about pilots using substitute nicotine (electronic ciggies, inhalators, gums, patches,....) while in the cockpit in control of the aircraft? Should they be banned from using those replacements?

[J.O.]

Why is it that when someone doesn't like the message but can't refute it, they spend their time attacking the messenger instead. :hmm:

[750XL]

It's not just the Middle Eastern Carriers...

I've seen Libyan, various Turkish Carriers, Tunisair and even Air Berlin have a smoke in the cockpit on a turnaround

[16024]

Addictive personalities will find something to get addicted to.
Coffee, sex, adrenaline, collecting Star Wars memorabilia...
I am with Stepwilk at post 44. If you have some agenda on this go and start your own forum.
I smoke and drink ( best to stop there...) but how about a sense of proportion.
The guy heading towards you on the road to the airport lighting up as he passes two feet away at a closing speed of 120? Less of a problem than a quick one on the long taxi in along the parallel? (Cigarette, stop sniggering at the back...).

[stepwilk]

Why is it that when someone doesn't like the message but can't refute it, they spend their time attacking the messenger instead.

I'm attacking the messenger (assuming that it's me to whom you're referring) simply because as a one-time working pilot, I come to PPRuNe to read and learn from--no, I rarely comment--current professional pilots, not amateurs and wannabes who have never been in a cockpit.

As I've said before, threads typically are valid and useful for about five pages, then the flight-sim players and frequent flyers swarm the thing, whatever the subject. The most recent nadir was when a poster on the AF447 thread asked whether an Airbus A330 "had a T-tail." Jeez...

[Tourist]

"and the pilot risks being impaired by hypoxia "

Not a smoker myself, but a quick google will show you that one of the very few advantages of smoking is that smokers have reduced suceptibility to hypoxia.
Something to do with the fact that their physiology is used to operating with reduced oxygen supplies. If there was to be a decompression actually while they were smoking, they would merely be reduced to our level.

[Lemain]

If there was to be a decompression actually while they were smoking, they would merely be reduced to our level. My father smoked 80 untipped per day and owned and piloted an Airspeed Consul in the 1950s and 60s. He maintained that his heavy smoking gave him a much higher ceiling to non-smokers. The Consul wasn't fitted with oxygen (thank God as he chain-smoked during all phases of flight) and he said that he would often amuse himself flying to the absolute ceiling on long flights. I always though it was a daft thing to do but he lived to tell the tale so maybe there is something in it? The gasoline fumes were strong in the Consul -- very noticeable to a young child such as me -- I reckon now that the brass fuel primers were leaky. Nobody would allow that today, eh?

[brakedwell]

Similar primers in the Anson usually emitted the smell of petrol during the climb, on levelling off it was considered safe to smoke! I also remember being told by a doctor from the RAFIAM that heavy smokers had a greater tolerance to the lack of oxygen than non smokers.

[Elledan]

I'm pretty sure that taking up a sport like swimming would also give the increased oxygenation capacity, in addition to various other health benefits, without the yellow teeth, breath like an ashtray, wrinkled skin and increased chance on lung- and other cancers :D

[YorkshireTyke]

.....I have a few years on 727 but I can't see anything @ 3.29......

" Should Have Gone To Specsavers " !!!

actually - it's about 3.28.30 (bottom left hand corner )

[Tourist]

It isn't about increased oxygenation capacity, in fact just the opposite.
It is about building a tolerance to lack of oxygen!

[J.O.]

I'm attacking the messenger

Your explanation does nothing to change the fact that he has a valid point. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, as is his position in life (pilot or not). Yes sometimes there is some pretty uninformed drivel on this forum, but AnthonyGA's posts don't qualify as uninformed. In fact, his are among the most sensible comments in this thread, IMHO.

[grounded27]

"and the pilot risks being impaired by hypoxia "

Not a smoker myself, but a quick google will show you that one of the very few advantages of smoking is that smokers have reduced suceptibility to hypoxia.
Something to do with the fact that their physiology is used to operating with reduced oxygen supplies. If there was to be a decompression actually while they were smoking, they would merely be reduced to our level.


I find this hard to believe. Just from personal experience, living at sea level and having been a heavy smoker I flew into Quito Ecuador, doing my walk around I did not make it past the LMLG W/O having to take a rest on a wheel. Quit smoking and 6 months after quitting (doing flower runs the next year) I was climbing stairs like a champ.

It has been my understanding that a smoker is at 10k feet above a non smoker. I am sure one could adapt to be as functional as at sea level while smoking but this does not fly with me when you live at sea level then are deprived of oxygen for hours on end.

[grounded27]

"and the pilot risks being impaired by hypoxia "

Not a smoker myself, but a quick google will show you that one of the very few advantages of smoking is that smokers have reduced suceptibility to hypoxia.
Something to do with the fact that their physiology is used to operating with reduced oxygen supplies. If there was to be a decompression actually while they were smoking, they would merely be reduced to our level.


I find this hard to believe. Just from personal experience, living at sea level and having been a heavy smoker I flew into Quito Ecuador, doing my walk around I did not make it past the LMLG W/O having to take a rest on a wheel. Quit smoking and 6 months after quitting (doing flower runs the next year) I was climbing stairs like a champ.

It has been my understanding that a smoker is at 10k feet above a non smoker. I am sure one could adapt to be as functional as at sea level while smoking but this does not fly with me when you live at sea level then are deprived of oxygen for hours on end.

[16024]

Grounded27, believe the science.

I have BP of 120/60 and have to run round the block before my medical or the issue of Bradycardia is raised, as my resting pulse rate is 50 or less.
And I'm a lazy bugger, in my 50's and a pack a day man. My wife shames me by running marathons while I prefer sitting in a pub.
Mind you, you can't smoke there any more...
Dad's 92, and is pretending to give up for the n'th time. Maybe it's all in the genes.
YouTube - ‪Smoke! Smoke! Smoke! That Cigarette---Tex Williams‬‏

[Basil]

and risk the health of their co-workers
Not the old secondary smoke stuff again!
The following would be in trouble:
Boy scouts.
Certain military personnel.
People in wood fired rooms.
Industrial workers.
etc. etc.

[grounded27]

is someone with a flawed personality who doesn't deserve Do not care if it is out of context, Your personality scares the **** out of me. Hope you never accomplish as much as Hitler did. Narrow minded and ready to condemn at the drop of a dime anyone who does not fit your standards.

[Slasher]

Someone who is prepared to violate a rule (and risk the health
of their co-workers) is someone with a flawed personality who
doesn't deserve their licence.

Christ that's a pretty bloody naive statement coming from a
supposed 63yo Mr Shell.

In the same high-horse air of opinion you demonstrate here,
if I was married and had an addiction to shagging hosties on
overnights, would that mean I don't deserve to hold an ATPL
either? After all, I'm putting my crew at emotional risk aren't
I with my "flawed personality". :hmm:

[stepwilk]

"...doesn't deserve their licence".

He doesn't have one, unless it's to drive his Volvo, so it's easy for him to say.

[Shark Slayer]

Seen 2 cigarette butts sail out the window of Alitalia Flight Decks and then seen the windows close up when they were cleared to line up or take off! Happened plenty of times............not making a judgement, don't care either way what they do; just a comment.

[TopTup]

It's not so much the smoking but the lack of professionalism to follow rules, regs and SOPs.

"So, which SOPs will I choose to follow and choose not to follow....???"

Some airlines actually do permit flight crew to smoke in the cockpit. So be it. But where not it puts the other pilot in a position to either speak up or not. How many times have we seen pilots tell their colleague to speak up as and when needed, yet they are damned if they do and damned if they don't?! What right has one person to knowingly put the other in this scenario? All it leads to is a lack of respect.

Just follow the damn rules, regs and SOPs of the carrier you are with. If you don't like them best to find a carrier who does suit your needs.

An actual occurrence, as told to me: (Air India) Capt abuses the FO for a perceived breach of SOPs (non standard call out), all the while with cigarette in hand and puffing away during the approach......

[16024]

"So, which SOPs will I choose to follow and choose not to follow....???"

O.K.

Maybe I won't follow the one about putting in the descent winds in the event of a return to the airport.

Just an example.

Shell, you are breathtakingly (no pun...) cheeky. That might be acceptable with a 9 year old. Unacceptable from a 63 year old.

[brakedwell]

6 + 3 = 9 :ok:

[CargoMatatu]

I can see this heading south to JB! :rolleyes:

[grounded27]

As far as loose rules go in the cockpit, my favorite was Falcon Air's wet T-shirt contest on thier way to spring break resorts in Mexico. As I recall the winner got to sit in the captain's lap.

[HAWK21M]

Its Important that professionals follow rules......

[brakedwell]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/sedgwickjames/aviation/0425819.jpg

[Al Fakhem]

Apart from any other argument in favour or against smoking among flight deck crew, when flying as a pax on what is advertised as a non-smoking flight, the last thing I want to smell when seated up front is cigarette smoke emanating through the cockpit door. It's disrespectful to your customers. Simple.

[KAG]

Bad/weird smell/smoke in the cockpit : turn the recycle fan off, for what it's worth...

[ChicoG]

Actually in the early days, a BA hostie taught me what to take on a flight and how to set the toilet up for a crafty smoke. A technique they all used themselves.

Of course after a while you just get used to it, and now I can go LH without even worrying about it.

Although I do just ask for an extra packet of nuts/snacks with the drinks service and mention that it's because I'm a smoker, and if the CC are too, I normally get enough to keep nibbling till wheels down.

:}

[Postman-LEJ]

The guy knew it would cost his job. So why smoke?

[Slasher]

Rauchen Nicht Erlaubt


The same sign was probably pasted somewhere in here 70 years ago too, so nothing's changed.

http://www.relojdeavion.es/IMAGENES/M109/he%20111%20junghansgrande.jpg

[brakedwell]

The same sign was probably pasted somewhere in here 70 years ago too, so nothing's changed.

No doubt they ignored it too :ok: