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B737-800W
30th Mar 2011, 23:18
Hello there,
When the ATC informs the pilot with the "No delays expected", what is the actual definition of the above?
tnx a lot
B737-800W
Voodoo 3
31st Mar 2011, 07:31
Methinks its that you can expect no delay but could be up to 20 minutes. If you can expect a delay of any longer than 20 minutes then ATC should give you an actual time.
I am sure that someone will come along with a reference from the ATC manual or something like that.
Well, no country specified in the question, so this is a 'stab', but the UK CAA published a 'pink' way back (2002?) all about fuel planning for airline ops which quoted 'up to' 20 minutes.
spekesoftly
31st Mar 2011, 07:50
"No delay expected" should only be used when that genuinely reflects the situation. Otherwise a general indication may be given - i.e. Delay 10 minutes or less / one hold etc.
EATs (Expected Approach Times) will normally only be issued in the UK when the delay is expected to be 20 minutes or more.
sykocus
31st Mar 2011, 10:15
I use it when an aircraft is approaching the initial approach fix and I am not ready to issue the approach clearance, but want the pilot to know he can expect to be cleared for the approach.
In the USA there's rules that state that holding instructions need to be issued to the aircraft when no later then 5 minutes from it's clearance limit. So if they are approaching that time and holding isn't going to be necessary I'll say "no delay[holding] expected".
It's been re-issued: AIC: P 045/2009 18-JUN-2009 para 3.1 Black and white.
5milesbaby
31st Mar 2011, 15:03
And the link is:
AIC: P 045/2009 (http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/current/aic/EG_Circ_2009_P_045_en.pdf)
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B737-800W
31st Mar 2011, 17:28
Tnx a lot,
the question was for UK airspace
Cheers!!!
blissbak
31st Mar 2011, 20:03
It affects the event of a communication failure too, in that case No delay or a given EAT make the difference.
Dunno about the kingdom...
5milesbaby
1st Apr 2011, 11:18
Same in the UK too blissback
B737-800W
1st Apr 2011, 11:36
Do you know where i can find those abbreviations?
Is there a manual publication? A dictionary or something useful?
tnx:ok:
tom6326
1st Apr 2011, 13:43
How about this? (http://tinyurl.com/3z2jjuy)
Which 'abbreviations'? I see 'ATC', 'UK', 'CAA', 'AIC', 'JUN' and 'EAT'. Oh, and 'Tnx'
Those? Could always try Google?