Lion Air: Two runway excursions in two days at the same airport

[smiling monkey]

When I first saw this on the AvHerald Website (http://avherald.com/h?article=437e23b6&opt=1) I originally thought, the editors accidently listed the same incident twice. But no, Lion Air did actually have two runway excursions on the same runway at the same airport within 24 hours. Thye knee jerk reaction of the Indonesian DGCA is to ban Lion Air from operating from that airport until further investigation.

If I remember correctly, this follows another runway excursion upon landing at Pontianak last November 2010 (http://www.aircrashobserver.com/e107/news.php?item.2185.4). This follows a series of such incidents in 2004,2005 and 2006 (http://www.baliupdate.com/messages/message.asp?Id=3064) ... one resulting in fatalities.

From Aviation Herald

A Lionair Boeing 737-900, registration PK-LHH performing flight JT-295 from Medan to Pekanbaru (Indonesia) with 218 people on board, overran Pekanbaru's runway 36 and came to a stop with all gear about 25 meters off the paved surface while landing in Pekanbaru around 17:00L (10:00Z) in drizzle. The passengers disembarked onto soft ground via mobile stairs.

This was the second runway excursion of a Lionair Boeing 737-900 at Pekanbaru within 20 hours, also see Incident: Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing.

As result of the overrun the runway was closed for about 7 hours, then the runway was re-opened with restrictions. The airplane is expected to be moved in the morning of Feb 16th.

Indonesia's Ministry of Communication said, that "218 passengers including crew" were on board of the aircraft that overran the end of the runway safety area by about 20 meters. At the time of the landing winds were calm, visibility was 5000 meters (16400 feet).

Indonesia's Ministry of Transport have banned Boeing 737-900s from operating into Pekanbaru when the runway is wet, pending further investigation results.

Metars:
WIBB 151400Z 00000KT 7000 HZ SCT017 26/24 Q1009
WIBB 151230Z 00000KT 7000 TS FEW017CB SCT015 25/23 Q1009
WIBB 151200Z 00000KT 7000 TS SCT017CB 25/23 Q1009 NSG
WIBB 150900Z 00000 KT 9999 SCT016 33/26 Q1007 NSG
WIBB 150600Z 00000KT 9999 NIL BKN016 32/23 Q1009
WIBB 150500Z 00000KT 9999 NIL SCT015 31/23 Q1010
WIBB 150400Z 00000KT 9999 NIL SCT014 30/24 Q1010

Relevant NOTAM:
B0161/11 - DUE TO RWY BLOCKED BY ACFT B739 PSN 25-30M FROM AT THE END OF RWY 36 DECLEAR RWY LDA 1800M AND LANDING DIRECTION RWY 36. 15 FEB 17:32 2011 UNTIL 16 FEB 01:00 2011. CREATED: 15 FEB 17:32 2011

[training wheels]

It's a good thing they've ordered 178 Boeing 737-900s ... at this rate, they're going need every single one of them! lol!

[chairwrecker]

is the -900 the one with the long winglets?

[arba]

@training wheels

so now we know then, why they order that much! LOL

[Lee]

training wheels

You still owe me a reply! PM me ya.

[ReverseFlight]

is the -900 the one with the long winglets?

Both the -800 and -900 have long winglets. The -900 is 2.64 m longer due to a 1.57m plug forward of the wing and a 1.07m plug to the rear compared with the -800, which increases seating from 162 to 177 in a two-class configuration.

[A320QZ]

guys look at a bigger picture.
dont just always put the blame squarely on the airline particularly the flight crew.
Nobody wants an incident to happen.

the goverment of indonesia really needs to get their act together to seriously upgrade the airport facilities all over the country which has been long overdue in order to keep up the air travel demands for the past few years.

fyi runway in PKU has only 2200 x 30 meters and adds that with heavy down pours..not an easy place for any pilots in the world to land the plane the size of 739.

in my honest opinion, the authority in indonesia is partly to blame for this incident.

[smiling monkey]

fyi runway in PKU has only 2200 x 30 meters and adds that with heavy down pours..not an easy place for any pilots in the world to land the plane the size of 739.

in my honest opinion, the authority in indonesia is partly to blame for this incident.

You can't be serious can you? Lion Air operates in to other airports with even less landing distance available than this. Semarang is a case in point with only 1850 meters. And what has the runway width got to do with this incident? Both incidents involved runway over runs. You can make the runways width 150 meters and they would have still over ran the runway.

[A320QZ]

Semarang is a case in point with only 1850 meters.

i don't know where you got the above figure from, but the last data i checked showed WARS has a rwy length of 2680 meters.

[squarecrow]

So should be difficult to overrun in a small jet like that.

[smiling monkey]

i don't know where you got the above figure from, but the last data i checked showed WARS has a rwy length of 2680 meters.

My point is, if the its operationally possible to land at Pekanbaru (which it is or else they would not have scheduled flights landing there), then they should be able to land there without over running.

So you're suggesting the DGCA is to blame for not making the runway long or wide enough? You want the DGCA to hold the pilots hand whilst he/she makes the approach and landing too? :rolleyes: