Single Pilot Aircraft - Two pilots

[twistedenginestarter]

Some small aircraft are certified for single pilot operation. Two questions:. .. . </font><ul type="square"> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">For Public Transport is this always changed to two pilots? </font></li> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Where there are two pilots can the P2 log time? </font></li>[/list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">

[Hot 'n' High]

Twistedenginestarter - "Some small aircraft are certified for single pilot operation. Two questions:. .. .For Public Transport is this always changed to two pilots?" - Never. If the aircraft is certified Single Crew it can only legally be flown by 1 pilot. If, for operational reasons, a second pilot is required, the aircraft has to be formally changed to Multi Crew. As I said, this is a formal change and is reflected in the appropriate paperwork held by the Operator.. . . ."Where there are two pilots can the P2 log time?" - Again, No. The aircraft is either Single Crew or it is formally Multi Crew. You cannot just assume the role of P2 - you, as P2, don't legally exist in a Single Crew aircraft. If it has been changed to Multi Crew then all the usual recording of P1 and P2 hours comes in to play.. .. .There are two exceptions to this - yes, I know, there always are! The first is Training where the P1 will hold a Type/Class Rating and Instructor Rating for the Single Crew aircraft. The Instructor will record hours as P1 and the student will record the hours as P(u/t) or P1(S) as appropriate. I also believe, though have no experience of this, that if the Medical of the Pilot requires a Safety Pilot to be carried, the Safety Pilot claims P1 and the actual Pilot claims P1(S) though you'd have to check up on this. This second exception is very rare and is probably only applicable to a handful of PPLs - one would hope!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Hope this is clarified things. Sorry if this has poured H2O on some plans! Also, these are the CAA/JAA rules. Others may differ but I believe ICAO rules are the same.. .. .Cheers, H 'n' H

[fcit]

There is also an exception to the single pilot concept. Also the C525 is certified for single pilot ops, under JAR OPS you will require 2 pilots (JAR OPS 1.940(b).1).. .. .Cheers. .fcit

[Tinstaafl]

I suspect there is another 'exception': Single pilot ops that require an autopilot OR a second pilot if an autopilot is not fitted or U/S.

[twistedenginestarter]

Many thanks, chaps. I'm just working on my business plan to run some Eclipse 500s in, lets say, air taxi. I think it will be necessary to have 2 pilots whenever there are fare-paying passengers, but I want to be able to attract frozen ATPLs as the P2s. They would need the attraction of getting jet hours in their log book. From what you say, this looks possible.

[rolling circle]

Sorry H'n'H, not strictly true. A JAR-OPS requirement for operation of a 'single-crew' aircraft by two pilots will not affect its certification. There is, actually, no reason why an operator should not elect to operate any aircraft multi-pilot as the certification lays down only the minimum flight crew.. .. .However, if we are considering the claiming of multi-pilot time for the purposes of qualifying for a JAA ATPL, things become a little more prescriptive. The UK CAA will accept multi-crew time accrued on single-pilot aircraft for ATPL issue only if such operation is mandated by JAR-OPS or, in the case of non-JAA operators, the appropriate national Authority.. .. .JAR-OPS 1.940 mandates a minimum of two pilots only for operations under IFR or at night for all turbo-propeller aeroplanes with a maximum approved passenger seating configuration of more than 9 and for all turbojet aeroplanes. Thus, for example, the C525 may be flown single pilot on public transport operations by day VFR but must be flown multi-pilot under IFR or at night. . .. .As always, there are exceptions to the requirement and these are detailed in Appendix 2 to JAR-OPS 1.940.

[Hot 'n' High]

TES - you should have no problems attracting P2s from the Wannabes. The cost of setting it all up will be "interesting" though. A friend set up his operation based on a Piston Twin some time ago (can't even remember what he ended up with now) but he was an Ace hoop-jumper by the end of it! Poor s*d! He was knackered even before the aircraft arrived! <img border="0" title="" alt="" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .I was not sure exactly what you were after when I read your first Post. You have seen by now some examples of the detailed exceptions regarding Autopilots etc. and there are loads of fiddly bits and bobs which will be pertinant to your specific Operation. Really, you need to look very closely at the fine print of JAR-OPS, aircraft Certification etc. as there are all sorts of "Gotchyas" in this area. Anyway, this is well out of my league now!!!!!!! I only fly 'em! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .. .All the very best with your plans. I'll definitely watch this space. . .. .[b]rolling circle - Just seen your Post. Many thanks for your comments. As I said earlier, I was not sure how detailed TES's initial question was. I am not an expert in this field and have waved my white flag!!!!!! I assumed the initial question was fairly top-level and I was simply trying to convey that there must be a legal requirement before flight hours can be recorded. You are quite correct in that JAR-OPS can place additional requirements on an Operator regarding all sorts of things; flight crew, MELs, you name it. That could be at the request of the Operator or the CAA. Either way, it must be formalised.. .. .Anyway, I'll head off for a beer now. There's something I know quite a bit about - but, as with everything, there's always more to learn! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Cheers, H 'n' H <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 19:14: Message edited by: Hot 'n' High ]</small>

[Jetavia]

When will the Eclipse jet be JAA certified ? they don't mention anything on their website and they do not attend any non-US airshows this year .. but do attend GA airshows in the US ???

[twistedenginestarter]

It's all a bit wait-and-see. But if they do succeed, others will follow.. .. .And it will be a new era in aviation.