MCC course at European Skybus

[Merritt]

I have just finished off my MCC & just a quick note to say that for anyone considering an MCC course - the MCC at European Skybus is absolutely superb. Conducted in the 6 axis, fully certified zero flight time, 737-200ADV simulator, I found it an excellent introduction to the extra performance and inertia involved with flying a larger aircraft whilst learning the necessary Multi Crew operations.

European Skybus Limited - Flight Training/Simulators (http://www.eaac.co.uk/flight_training.php)

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[downwind24]

Thats great to hear , iv just booked the MCC-JOC at the end of March. In all fairness i had only heard good things about them , does anyone know any pitfalls to beware of or are they as good as the reviews??

[Gulfstreamaviator]

There is a lot of controversy around MCC and any positive spin would be worthy of your input into PP forums.

Tell us when you get a job, and all your trials and tribulations. Please also highlight the good news, too.

What response from potential employers.

[davve]

Awesome!
I'm going there for my MCC on the 31st.
Good to hear you enjoyed the course! Was the theory part as good as the sim part?

[cerealkiller]

I can confirm. I've been there for my MCC and I was really happy with it.

[EC-JLT]

they should have more MCC courses
the next in 2 months, so late for me¡¡¡¡

[davve]

I know. I finished my CPL/IR/ME over 3 months ago and now I'm doing the MCC.

Does anyone know how big the classes usually are?

[pistinaround]

Back up all comments did my MCC there early last year, had a wonderful time and heaps of free time in the sim for free ! as well a free go on the 747 sim as big thumbs up.:ok: ( only the two of us on my coarse though so that prob helped so a small tips when booking find out the numbers the smaller the better.)

[Pace152]

Me too, there was just 2 of us on the course (luckily he was a great MCC buddy) did the course last year and can't rate them highly enough. Had a great time and learned alot. :ok:

[davve]

Amanda told me we were going to be 6 in the course. Should be fine.
Anything you can add before I jump in the sim next week?

[Pace152]

Hey,

The only thing I could add (which is abit obvious really) is to use the course to really learn how to work together as part of a crew, as I suppose this is the best chance you get before any possible sim assesments.

I reckon you'll enjoy the course though :)

[Cielbleu]

Hi Davve !

I will be one of the 6 on the course starting on wednesday ! See you there !

[Piltdown Man]

You'll have to excuse a little bit of thread drift, but why can't you walk out of an MCC course with a type rating? To learn to be nice another person and not call them a knob too often is all very well and good but if you are actually in a proper sim, why not do something really constructive? Does any MCC course provider (apart from KLS) offer this as an option?

[BillieBob]

"....why can't you walk out of an MCC course with a type rating?"A number of organisations hold approval for combined type-rating/MCC courses but they tend to be specific to particular operators and are not generally marketed to 3rd parties. For example, Bombardier's CRJ 100/200, BMI Regional's ERJ 145, all of CTC's type rating courses and so on.

The original intention of the JAA was that combined training should be the norm, which is why they halved the training requirement if it was. Unfortunately, however, they reckoned without the UK training industry's knack of making a quick buck coupled with the airlines' reluctance to invest in training with the result that cheap, self-sponsored modular training, using mainly unsuitable FNPT IIs, became the norm.

Type rating training, including any combined MCC, has to be given by a high-priced TRI whereas the modular MCC course can be conducted by a much cheaper MCCI.

[Piltdown Man]

Thank you BillieBob. I think I now understand - what a shame!

[davve]

See you there mate!

[golfcharlie232]

Having completed a MCC at European on their 737-200, I second Merritt as I was really impressed with the setup there.
The instructors are top notch, really dedicated and they give you that "airline feel" that makes things closer to real airline operations.
I got employment since then and the 737-200 surely was a very valuable experience.

The last day is conducted as LOFT (Line oriented flight training) and this is very close to what the airlines want you to do during an assessment.

Some will do very expensive MCCs on full Efis aircraft (i.e. 737NG / A320) but I think European gives you all you need to pass an assessment. Well then that's up to you and your finances, but a full-motion 737 MCC for such low prices, in an airline environment, this is a great opportunity I think.

I haven't been asked to write anything on here, but they surely deserve some positive feedback.

The sim is old as said before, but it works fine, no problem whatsoever for me or my friends who did their MCC there as well.

If you are tight on money, save the money from an expensive MCC, and use that when you are called for an assessment to buy a few hours on type (in a sim). That is probably much more valuable than buying 40 hrs on a 737-400 MCC/JOC and not doing any sim time before an assessment.

Just my two cents...

By the way, as I booked my MCC in advance (last winter), they had the sim available on that day and offered me one hour in to see what it was like.
Some of my friends got a chance to have a go on the 747-200 as well (for free).

Here's what the 737-200 looks like:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9971/img7814copy.jpg

[v1rotate1]

I looked at doing my MCC there but decided not to based upon the fact that it's an old sim with analogue dials. I'd also been told by someone that did there course there that the instructors talk down a bit to you? I've not had any experience of EFIS so opted to do my MCC on a full EFIS sim. I did it and found the experience/exposure invaluable. My ambition is to get a job with an airline carrier so the assessment will probably be done on 737-800 or AB320 which will be EFIS. It was also cheaper:ok:

[dreamlinerguy]

I was also considering EAAC in January... But would like to do it in a modern EFIS cockpit.

v1rotate1: Where did you do the MCC?

[corporate-pilot]

I really wouldn't worry about doing the MCC in an EFIS, unless of course you just fancy it.

I did my MCC at European and was then successful in getting a job a few months later, the selection process included a sim assessment on a 737 NG with EFIS (outsourced to a well known school).

I'm not even sure having done the MCC in a 737 helped with the assessment. I've since been given the "report" and basically they are looking for you to interact during the briefing (ask questions etc), and then show a positive learning curve in the sim (ie get better). At the end they look to see if you can assess yourself and critique your performance.

They don't expect you to know the aircraft.

[BillieBob]

Having conducted my fair share of simulator assessments over the years I can wholeheartedly support corporate-pilot's comments. We long ago learned to filter out the effects of any prior exposure to advanced hardware. If you prefer to do an MCC course on a 320 or an NG and have the money to burn, that's your choice but don't kid yourself that it will give you any significant advantage in a subsequent assessment.

[rogerg]

significant advantage in a subsequent assessment.

Maybe just a little bit, as your a more confident operator. Doing an MCC in a cardboard box does not always bring out the best in you.

[corporate-pilot]

Maybe just a little bit, as your a more confident operator. Doing an MCC in a cardboard box does not always bring out the best in you.

I don't think anyone is suggesting doing the MCC in a cardboard box (whatever that means). I'm just saying that in hindsight I did rather well in my EFIS sim assessment and I had no prior EFIS exposure. I also don't really feel that having done my MCC at European on the old 737 gave me any advantage when doing the assessment on the NG 737.

The assessment is all about your personality and whether you can learn at a reasonable pace.

What I can say is that the European MCC gave me a pretty good grounding for my current multi crew corporate job. They seemed to hit on some of the more important parts of 2 crew operations and got me ready for what was to come during type rating and line training.

[JLMF]

Anyone going there on December? I´m looking forward my MCC and possibily JOC.

Should I do JOC also??


Thanks

[JLMF]

anyone whith any help wpuld be greatful..

[Cabbage crates]

Do the JOC too if you can, it's all useful experience and often the highlight of the whole ATPL. European are top notch, couldn't recommend them more, - ENJOY!

[CookPassBabtridge]

Going to European in Feb for the MCC. Can anyone recommend a particular B&B from the list they send out?

Also, any recommended reading in advance of going on the course?

[corporate-pilot]

Yep read up on Perf A. Know the segments.

[JLMF]

Going on the 20th of Feb, any book ore something to revise before ?

[CookPassBabtridge]

Is there an echo in here, and on the other MCC thread?! :rolleyes:

[WookieWings]

I have just finished my MCC at European Skybus on the 737-200 sim.
I found the course excellent value for money, very intuitive and fun. The instructors are extremely knowledgable, professional and friendly and the back office staff are helpful and fun too!
The sim was excellent, only a couple of small niggles that were sorted quickly. At the time I completed the course the FD was inop on the sim, but everything else was serviceable. The FD being inop really wasn't a big deal.
In short, I would highly recommend European Skybus.