Ryan calls...

[glag]

Does anyone know the exact logic behind FR calls ?? I have applied since months and never received any call despite my experience (not age and instructional background in terms of diploma and degree) is exactly the same to the one of some friends who have been called right after a couple of weeks from the application...:ugh:
Do they have a sort of slot machine ? Any kind of applicants auto-generating software ? Do they analyze and pass through all of the applications ? :rolleyes:

[max_continuous]

From speaking with friends and initial training colleagues there seems to be something of a lottery to the whole business.

Every company has its recruitment policies and filters which, understandably, are kept very much to a need to know basis and so I would say that it is unfair to say that there is absolutely no process. Notwithstanding this, however, I have been told by a friend (older and maybe wiser) that in their past experience the recruitment of low-hours pilots involved a notice board, some beers, a group of captains, some CVs and a set of pub-arrows!

Setting speculation aside I can only attest to two observations:

1. There is a high chance of OAA grads getting a call within weeks i.e. 8 - 10 weeks, of final flight

2. That chance seems to diminsh with increasing proximity to, and after crossing, a well known wall in Northumberland and other northern English counties, but absolutely does not disappear altogether.

That is just, JUST, an observation.

[VJW]

max cont- I didn't understand a word of what you just said!

FR does NOT care if you're an oxford grad or not- if you have a blue book, you have the same chance as the next guy.

Glag refers to his 'experience' which I take to mean, he/she is possibly looking for a DEC position. RYR does not currently employ experienced FO's, and surely Glag (if he is a fresh faced 200 hr newbie) wouldn't refer to his 'experience' if he only had 200 hrs.

In addition, if you are applying for a DEC position, FR doesn't care if you have their minimum DEC requirements or 10 times as much. It's more down to what you write on your application, and potentially the level of your english language. I can tell for sure that Glag is not a native english speaker, and while you do not have to be an english native speaker to join the company, being able to speak, understand and write it, is something they are very hot on. If your english on your application isn't up to scratch, that could easily be a reason why you haven't been called.

Your spelling is fine, but grammar is a bit off.

Good luck, don't wish too hard mind, your wish might come true haha :ok:

[max_continuous]

VJW...

You may consider me chastened and rightly so. I am guilty of launching into an inapproriate response to the question asked and showing myself guilty of failure to read, and understand, the information before me.

I proffer my apologies and plead mitigation on the basis of a bad week and and an excess of Bombay's finest.

For low-houred applicants I stand by my points but for the matter-in-hand I defer to you.

[max_continuous]

PS...

While I defer to your answer to the above question given my admitted failing, I suggest you check your use of "your" and "you're" before advising anyone further on that matter...

[VJW]

Everyone makes the odd mistake,

'I proffer my apologies and plead mitigation on the basis of a bad week and and an excess of Bombay's finest.'

[max_continuous]

Point taken!

Draw a line under this particular round of banter and move on, shall we?!?

[glag]

VJW,
I currently have 250 hours, so in this sense I'm really quiet the same to many other guys out there...Intgrated ATPL, ICAO level 4...No real reason for not being called...
Anyone has other inputs ? :ugh:

[VJW]

No reason at all for not being called, other then you are one of hundreds of applications they receive on a monthly basis.

I think with your experience, you're in the the lotto like many others.

Good luck

[minimumunstick]

I find it strange how some people get called just after a few weeks while others wait for years and never get called even if their experiences are similar or even identical.

Wouldn't it make sense to contact people in chronological order as long as they meet the criteria?

Maybe they are doing it alphabetically, so people with last names starting with Z etc. never get called due to the continuous flow of applications :eek:

[VJW]

Or....perhaps they don't want you? Maybe that's the answer.

They don't tell you if you don't meet their requirements (and by that I'm not only talking about flight experience). You only know if they invite you for interview.

If you apply the same time as a friend with the same experience, and they get called, and you don't after a few months, perhaps the answer isn't so hard to guess?

Harsh yes, but also true perhaps?

RYR doesn't accept EVERYONE for interview/assessment just because they have 200 hrs, as much as people on this forum would have you believe.

[minimumunstick]

You definitely have a point.

However when you look at their application form there is nowhere for you to write any sort of cover letter or anything. So if two people have identical experience I guess the only factors that remain to differentiate between the two would be the number of flight tests / exams failed etc. and perhaps their CV's!

Perhaps they are really strict on pass rates etc, and that's why many applicants haven't heard from them..

[Mac72]

On my course of over 20 people, all finished with the same amount of hours etc. All got call for an interview apart of two chaps who were over 30 and three gals. Puzzled

[max_continuous]

Vast majority of my course got called, not aware of any of the girls applying, and some of the chaps had alternative plans...

Recruitment is definitely a dark art!

[VJW]

Minimim- did you pass everything first time completely during flight training? If not, then sure maybe they can be picky. There's probably plenty that passed everything first time also applying, so if you have to choose between two application forms, I guess that's one way to differentiate.

Girls applying- I'm not going to comment too much, although I can say there are not that many female flight crew that I'm aware of.

[minimumunstick]

VJW, I am not in the same boat as the OP even though my posts might have indicated that. I have actually applied but that is just a week ago, it's still too early for me to have concerns! I am just curious to know if there is any logic behind their invitation process as I do not want to randomly have to wait for a year before being called if I meet their criteria.

I did pass first attempt on everything throughout my training though, so if that happens to be one of the things they go by I guess it's a good thing for me.

[VJW]

I'm sure you'll get a call then- feel free to PM me if you want any advice.

[thebeast]

i think your half right maxcontinuous

all new fo's i ve flown with recently say under 500 hours experience have been OAA trained. Bit of a change from a few years ago but a sign of the times (Ryanairs been the only consistant recruiter for a while now).

However my accent is from north of Hadrians Wall so not no bias there!

[minimumunstick]

VJW,

Thanks, I really appreciate it :ok:

[glag]

RYR doesn't accept EVERYONE for interview/assessment just because they have 200 hrs, as much as people on this forum would have you believe. VJW,
so what is the logic behind ? Any clue ? :ugh:

[VJW]

Quite simply it's the truth. Like any job, just because someone meets minimum requirements for a job posting doesn't mean they'll automatically get asked for an interview. When did that become rocket science?

What am I missing?

[AI101]

Ryanair does have a process but as people have pointed out it is on a need to know basis, I can give you some hints as to why some guys have not been called, how lon ago since you finished training, where you trained, how old you are, what was your average Mark in your ATPL's etc.

All applications are screened if they all meet fr needs then the above criteria starts to get applied and those that get through all of these go forward to training department where they are looked at in more detail.

On a another note guys up for interview and sims from Feb onwards start studying as the sim checks are changing as I'm sure you all know that even guys who do the recruitment read comments on pprune and are fed up of people knowing exactly what to expect then still fail.

Hope this helps you guys,
See you soon




Hope it helps bug this is all I can tell you at the moment.

[MIKECR]

Dont take this the wrong way folks but I think some people need a reality check as to the sheer number of applications and CV's airlines currently receive. I work for a UK airline, a small one, we have around 20 aircraft. We currently receive over 400 CV's per week from people looking for flying job! Can you possibly comprehend the number of CV's an airline on the scale of Ryanair will receive on a weekly basis?? We're not just talking Europe wide...we're talking worldwide. There are 1000' of people all in the same boat...first time passes...200 hours in the logbook. Harsh but true im afraid.

[max_continuous]

I think that is why airlines such as Ryanair are fairly blunt in the way they design, and phrase the wording on, their recruitment web pages... but...there are still those out there who hope the "well a CV in the mail can't hurt, afterall they might need someone at short notice and not be bothered going to the list" approach will work.

Folks I am not looking to start an argument, and the banter between me and VJW is just that, banter, but I can honestly say this:

Oxford grads have, in my experience and based on my observation, gained interviews with Ryanair within a "reasonable" period of time following their applications, which have in turn been submitted very soon after graduating. In addition I have been told, first-hand, from the mouth of the horse, without any question of hearsay, speculation, or conjecture, that an Oxford grad (integrated!) can inform the school that they have not had a call and this will be followed by OAA contacting RYR and "chasing it up".

Now, that is OAA saying that, so I am not saying that that particular phonecall ever happens, or if it does that it has any influence (in fact I hope it does not), but I am reporting what I was told...

I strongly suspect that a similar story could be relayed by a "graduate" of any other flight school.

OAA grads are not pushed by OAA staff to Ryanair, frankly they don't need to be, it's done by peer pressure and some much more subtle means like a great big list of names and the word Ryanair on a board located on the way from the "crew" room to the sims. If OAA grads are now being pushed anywhere it is Parc Aviation i.e. Easyjet, and the £35k that is payable direct to OAA, but they (we, I am one after all) are getting into RYR in large numbers.

[turbine100]

If Ryanair will not recruit someone 30 or above. Surely thats illegal or at least discriminatory?

[Mikehotel152]

None of the FOs on my Type Rating course just over a year ago went to OAA, unless you count the OAA MCC course run by SAA in Stockholm. I haven't met any former OAA FOs since then either.

However, it's a big company so there may be entire bases in Southern Europe staffed by OAA graduates!

Moreover recruitment may have changed since I was called for an assessment back in April 2009. With FR being the only recruiter for a couple of years, graduates from the expensive integrated courses throughout Europe who would otherwise have joined BA, Easy, Thomas Cook, Flybe et al turned to RYR for a job.

On the assumption that these kids are better trained, RYR probably do favour them. Funny therefore that FR have taken a completely different view on DECs! These guys have been welcomed from all around the world despite showing an unwillingness to adhere to FR's strict SOPs and having somewhat unorthodox flying skills (in comparison to FR's straight-jacketed standards). :cool:

Incidentally, I was over 30 when I applied to FR and there were other guys over 30 on the course. More recently, all the cadets that have come through my base are in their early twenties. And I've only ever seen 4 female FOs and 1 female Captain in over a year on the line. There is a definite and unexplainable bias against women, but it is an Irish company and therefore such attitudes are stuck in the 1950s...:p:ugh:

Also I didn't have first time passes on either the CPL or IR through the modular route at a UK FTO (partialled both) and still got an interview a month after finishing the MCC. It's a bit of a lottery I'm afraid.

[MIKECR]

Mikehotel,

I dont think theres an assumption that a certain batch of new pilots are better trained having gone to a particular flight school. One of the main reasons why the likes of Ryr may approach an integrated school is that it cuts out half the vetting process for them. Its a simple solution...why bother wading through 1000's of CV's when they can go to an FTO isntead and ask
"can we have 5 out of your next batch please....oh and leave out the chumps!" Piece of piss...the school does the vetting for them.

[clunk1001]

....oh and leave out the chumps

:D Thats so funny :D

but isnt that policy 'chumpist' ? :ugh:

[MIKECR]

ok ok....I apologise...there's a place in society for chumps too.....just hopefuly not sat next to me in an aeroplane!:}

[YYZ]

I was 32 when i joined FR, second time pass on my IR also, no logic i know of can be applied, just hope lady luck is gazing upon you :)

[Mikehotel152]

Mike,

Do you have a chump on the shoulder about this? [boom boom].

I'll get my coat...:p

No, honestly I take your point. I have no idea whether there is a bias against modular applicants. Certainly not from where I'm sitting,seeing as I was one and so were many of my TR peers. So the only reason for a surge in OAA chaps (not chumps) getting in would be free chump-vetting. ;)

[mad_jock]

If they can only find 5 outa a course of 40 that are not chumps thats quite a high ratio of chumps going to OAA :p

PS I am taking the piss so don't get your knickers in a twist.

[VJW]

Don't forget it only 'appears' that they like taking OAA grads now, as before the downturn the percentage of them applying was a lot lower. Up until a few years ago places where they would have gone having finished the training was somewhere other then RYR.

Recently they've had no choice, which again is why it appears RYR like OAA more then the next guy. People forget just how many grads OAA churns out!