Latest Pay Deals

[Bluebaron]

Anyone got this year pay award agreed yet and willing to share.

We are still waiting on ours and would be interested to see what everyone else is getting?

[Wellington Bomber]

I am at Eastern

Dont talk stupid

[samsara]

I work for a well known irish airline at a uk base No pay rise for 3 years and counting- and that includes sector /flight pay as well

[retrosgone]

Jet 2 are paying 2.5% on basic, and 20% on sector pay. Works out at roughly 3.5% on gross income.

[sanjaime]

In April 2011, basic state pension is to rise in line with the retail prices index (RPI), rather than the consumer prices index (CPI). This gives a 4.6% increase, rather than 3.1%. The lower rate will be used for other state benefits for 2011.

SJ

[Craggenmore]

and 20% on sector pay

What if you are off long term sick?

[Schnowzer]

I hear at Cathay HKAOA are hanging out for 30% but have only been offered 15. Anyone wish to confirm?

[Bluebaron]

I heard Vigin were pitching 35% find it hard to believe.

Having just been told my pension is too be cut by 40% and another 5 years added to my LoS, i'm would like hope large pay rises can in some way compensate.

[Mendel]

Contract with a Japanese airline 10% pay cut and shorter notice period......

[Tarisio]

Thomson offering 2.7% on salary and duty pay etc. Rejected by Balpa.

Any news from Thomas Cook, Monarch etc?

[Kestrel_Stu]

Any news from Thomas Cook

Thomas Cook pilots are tied into a 4 year pay deal signed in 2009, basically a 3 year pay freeze then RPI +2% in 2012. Thanks BALPA :yuk:

So the next pay negotiations will be in 2013.

[TDK mk2]

bmi gets the 4.57% deferred from 2009. That was the final year of a three year deal agreed in 2006. Previous management confirmed that they would honour deal in Dec 2008 and then changed their mind the night before salary's were deposited. Some pilots had money removed from their accounts.

[Lord Molton Brown]

I understood Monarch had a 10% pay cut, but that is only hear say. Perhaps the Flybe pay deal may not be such a bad deal after all, reading the above posts.

[Lord Spandex Masher]

Nope, they're all bad deals.

[B737NG]

Lookes like a wide trend: Revenue goes up + profit goes up + share holder value goes up = Employees pay stays the same or even goes down. Time to do something and start to not accept that.

On the similar subject I talked to PARC recently and did of course heared not anything back since, you wonder? As long as people go for it why bother brother ?

[FL370 Officeboy]

I understood Monarch had a 10% pay cut, but that is only hear say. Perhaps the Flybe pay deal may not be such a bad deal after all, reading the above posts.

2.7% of a Thomson FO salary (rejected) is about £500 per month rise more than 3% of a flybe FO salary.

The flybe pay offer is crap regardless.

[MANTFS]

Monarch Pilots did not take a 10% pay cut last year

[Fredairstair]

It's three (3) extra years to your LOS BlueB. Do pay attention! ;)

Good thread to start by the way.

[Bluebaron]

Fred,

Quite right 3 years for me 5 years for others.

Anyone know what BA are getting/offered?

[Fg Off Kite]

I wonder how much of your money the BALPA reps have awarded themselves?

Give yourself a 1% pay rise and ditch them!!:ok:

[Fredairstair]

Getting on for 36hrs and still no takers for your bait..........

[Tarisio]

Thomson increase offer to 3% - rejected again. Holding out for RPI (4.7%) +.

[reamer]

Ryanair, no increase for last 3 years . equal to 12% pay cut with inflation.
Profits for last 3 years .... Over a Billion Euro........Nett.

[Desk-pilot]

As you say Reamer no pay rise in Ryan Air for 3 years and you chaps don't think you need a union??

It just proves beautifully that unions are able to protect worker interests to some degree and non-unionised companies merely exploit their workforce. You can bet your bottom dollar that Michael O'Leary hasn't had his pay frozen for the past 3 years.

I simply do not understand why on earth you don't all just sign up to become BALPA or IALPA approved. It's an anynymous ballot and once you achieve the required % you're represented.

I recently watched Michael Moore's film 'Capitalism a Love Story' - it was illuminating in many respects but what it highlighted to me is that unfettered capitalism is brilliant for the likes of Michael O'Leary/Jim French/the Board of Directors but it delivers a world of pain for everyone else. I think the past decade or two is indeed proof of this. Not surprising then that the view of the executives/the stock exchange/the bankers has been shouted loudly from every rooftop. The surprising thing is that the rest of us have fallen for it and allowed ourselves to become pawns in their game and we are the only losers. Basically we have voted for a system that benefits 1% of the population and leads to the other 99% suffering...

Lets hope that some at least are beginning to see the light.

Desk-pilot

[RAT 5]

Question: when does an airline become merely a money making maximising profit enterprise, and cease to be a customer service employee career quality place to be for both? Answers on a post card ..........
I'd always thought the longterm idea in the customer service world was to maintain quality & value of the product and profit would look after itself. A few ups & downs in demand, but overall a solid secure loyal customer base. A good life style for employees attracted the best and reduced turnover. There will be a cross over point where cheapness will not prop-up the lowering of quality, i.e. value falls, and where working conditions, (quality of life) fall below the level of remuneration. Are we anywhere near either yet?

[Brakes...beer]

Well, BA hasn't given a pay rise since 2008 (in fact, there was a c.5% pay cut in 2009). BALPA would like RPI this year but, realistically, won't get that.

Airlines - like every other company - have always been primarily about making money. Their chosen means of doing that is to fly people and cargo around. Loyal passengers and happy employees don't guarantee a profit.

I suspect that the good times for us in the West and in our industry specifically will never roll again. We shall spend the rest of our careers fighting a rearguard action to maintain what pay and conditions we have left. Talk of large RPI+ pay rises or going on strike is just bluster for the bar. Intelligent unions that know when and in which areas to give and take are our best bet.

[excrab]

No change to jobseekers allowance - still £65 per week

[Avenger]

Yep. Cathay Pilot Union accepted 15% increase, average 4 yr FO on about 74K GBP plus HK housing allowance, up to 7000 HKD a month paid (approx 5600GBP) overtime payments usually increase take home by up to 50%.
Captains, clearly lot more. New SO/FO not offered HK Housing anymore now most on integrated ( PAX and Cargo) fo 744. If you are Manchester, LHR based tax is worked out on UK duties only, so hardly any to pay as most duties start overseas. Average FO take home £6000 plus Housing , Capt £9000 plus housing.

[charlies angel]

Hi Avenger.
Thanks for the info.
Do you guys believe that your net pay/allowances/package etc is now sufficent to make Cathay worth leaving blighty for? (again)
I'm thinking along the lines of:
Is it still worth taking the family to live and work half way around the world in a different culture for the monetary return?
Personally about 15 years ago I could have joined on the B scale based in HK.
Have always wondered if I made a bad decision not to go and would I be closer to retiring if I'd taken the Cathay package.
Simply put does the higher pay not get cancelled out by the higher cost of living out there?
I know lots of people who packed their newest wheelbarrow when moving out.
Some are now full of money some are of course full of regrets:\

[HidekiTojo]

No union No hope. It really is that simple. Just look at train drivers and air traffic controllers. Strong unions, good t & c's.

Balpa are pretty useless but I'm a member, it's better than nothing plus id rather expend effort improving the union than fighting against the capitalists alone.

[main_dog]

Do you guys believe that your net pay/allowances/package etc is now sufficent to make Cathy worth leaving blighty for?


Who's this Cathy you speak of? :}

[charlies angel]

Thanks main dog:O

[main_dog]

Sorry Charlie's Angel, couldn't help myself... as you probably know in Cathay we're practically paid to be pedantic!

On to your question: if you didn't find it worthwhile moving to HKG on B-scale and full housing 15 years ago, you're unlikely to find CX a good bargain now. Sadly the terms and conditions are in terminal decline as in the rest of the industry, and while we have further to fall than some, the trend is the same.

While we may have secured a barely "average" pay-rise recently (average because while it is decent for some pay-scales/crew bases, it is barely more than zero for others), the longer term plan seems to be to get rid of HKG housing, which is what still makes CX one of the better deals in the industry IMHO.

Having said that I'm still fairly happy here!

[Bluebaron]

Any more updates, we're still holding out for RPI+ deal at Thomson.

[judge11]

Aviva Trains Wales - 12% over 2 years REFUSED!!!

The best thing we could all do is join the RMT and get Bob on the case.

[stroppy]

To be more accurate, Balpa in BA costs 0.6% after tax relief on the subs and that is easily paid out of the latest pay rise package esp with the retention of increments & the pay scales for new entrants. So with BA recruiting I'd recommend joining Balpa to allow them to continue protect your Ts&Cs, Hotac, Rostering, Scheduling, and bonuses. :ok:

Not sure if I am allowed to publish today's offer but I'll support it.

[StudentInDebt]

Voting just started on 4% deal at BA and an extension to the share scheme we agreed as part of the paycut last year (probably won't pay out this year but there is hope that it might in FY11 and 12). Year 2 not agreed yet, depends on CC and management having further discussions, there is increasing pressure on our incremental pay-scales as a result of retirement age changes.

[Bluebaron]

How many pay scales at BA?

[StudentInDebt]

Single set of scales (Capt and FO) with 24 paypoints, SSP's (self-sponsored cadets) are on a lower salary for the first five years. Management are making noises because the NRD in BA used to be 55 and they are now looking at paying out on PP24 for an extra 10 years to most pilots. Although part of last-year's paycut and productivity agreement was supposed to address this for all existing pilots they want to sort something out for the future, in order to get a payrise next year we have to enter into discussions about it amongst other things.

[spider_man]

Any payrise at BA Cityflyer this year?

ppjn reports 2% agreed back in Sept. 2010, I assume backdated for last year. Does Balpa negotiate or are CFE pilots awarded whatever is agreed for BA mainline?

[Yellow Pen]

What changes were made to the DB pension scheme in BA in the past three years?

In a nutshell, pay more or get less. The DB scheme is closed to new entrants.

[RJ100]

Spiderman,

BACF have our own CC and our pay and pay deals are separate from that of mainline.
Our 2% paydeal was only backdated until July 1st 2010. From July 2009 until July 2010 we had a 1 year pay freeze, i.e. no incremental yearly pay increases. I believe our CC are just starting pay negotiations with our company.

RJ.

[stroppy]

"Care to expand outside the nutshell?"

If you want the same accrual you have to pay significantly more, or you can pay the same for lower accrual. More accrual options being looked at now due to gov tax changes.