Lufthansa System Emergency Sketches Manual

[melrose]

Hi everybody,
I'd like to ask LH pilots whether they can find in their FMC database and/or on their RFC charts all the information needed to direct to the nearest airfield as per LH system emergency sketches manual. Do they find on that manual all the information needed to reach & land in those aforesaid fields? Or do they need help by the ATC to know airfield identity before entering the emergency sketches manual with that airfield identity and have all needed info? Thanks in advance.

[PT6A]

With our system you would type in the IATA/ICAO code into the EFB and you would get the charts...

If not we have the ESB... Type in the code and then you get the info that that manual provides.

I'm not sure if im fully understanding your question though.

PT6A

[melrose]

Thanks for answering.
What do you mean exactly for ESB? How can you fly to an emergency field reported in your LH Emergency Sketches manual but not reported on RF Charts, nor in your EFB, and of which you do not know the geographical coordinates (they are not written on your LH System Emergency Sketches manual ). Thanks again.Melrose

[PT6A]

ESB = Emergency Sketches Booklet.

To date i have not found an airport in the ESB that we don't have in our FMS database.

I guess it will depend what your company is paying for.. What charts you have in your RM and who is supplying your FMS database.

The only thing i have ever actually used the ESB for is checking ETOPS minima etc.

PT6A

[Checkboard]

No idea what the Lufthansa System Emergency Sketches Manual is, but:

whether they can find in their FMC database ... all the information needed to direct to the nearest airfield

Mnemonic for finding all of the information from the Boeing (Honeywell) FMC for an emergency diversion:

R A L F I E


R Route - select the RTE key, and enter the four letter ICAO airport code (which you can get from the map display) into the dest field on page 1/3
A Arrival - select the ARRival key, chose a suitable ILS (one reasonably expected to be into wind) and select it.
L Legs - select the LEGS key, go to the last page, select the first tracking point for the ILS you have just chosen, and place it on the first position of the first page (i.e. for tracking "direct" to the start of the ILS)
F Fix - place the 4 letter ICAO code for the airport into the FIX page, and place a 25 mile circle around it - to remind you you need some terrain information as you approach the airport (from the chart, terrain database, radar etc etc)
I INIT/REF - select the INIT/REF key - this page will give you four important pieces of information - 1. select the Vref for the landing. 2. the ILS frequency is displayed - tune this on the Nav receiver. 3. the ILS course is displayed - place this in the course bar and 4. the runway length is displayed - Use a fixed number of "9" and subtract the number of thousands of feet of runway for an appropriate Autobrake setting.
E Elevation - select the "index" prompt, then the "Nav Data" prompt, and place the 4 letter ICAO code into the "Airport Data" field - this will give you the airport elevation. Place this figure into the pressurization landing window.


... that all takes about 10 seconds, and provides you with everything you need to put the aircraft on the ground. Obviously, if you have time, you need to get the charts out for briefing, and complete checklists (including the diversion checklist, if you have one).

[melrose]

Thank you PT6A, thank you Checkboard! I really appreciated your answers.
I understand that all airfields printed in your ESB are stored in your FMC database.They are thousands of airports. Does your Company load different data on FMCs according to direction of flight (I mean long-haul eastbound or westbound) or all ESB airport are constantly loaded on all FMCs instead? Btw which aircraft do you fly?

[DBate]

Data loaded into the FMC is always the same, and thus not dependant on the direction of the flight. I.e. data for the whole world is loaded.

That absolutely makes sense, otherwise you would have to load the FMC with new data when having an aircraft change on short notice (from east- to westbound).

Whilst many airports are stored in the FMC, sometimes it contains just the runway data and not the approaches. In such a case I would go with the method mentioned by Checkboard - of course modified to your aircraft/FMS type; In case of a diversion (especially during emergency) there is not much more that I need than the RWY info and ILS information (course, frequency). Personally I do not need a magenta/green (or whatever color is displayed on the ND) line to fly an approach ;).

[PT6A]

It depends what your company has bought from LSY, are you using paper or EFB?

Has your company created lots of its own charts and procedures?

And what provider is supplying the nav data? It's best to get everything from one source and work with them so it gives everything you need for YOUR operation... Route specific charts with company diversion airports etc.

PT6A

[DBate]

@PT6A

In case you meant me with your last post... using EFB; all data coming from the same company - including the FMC data.

Cheers,
DBate