Easa Ftl

[Sciolistes]

Airline Industry and Aviation Safety News from Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/12/17/351023/pilots-worry-that-proposed-european-flight-time-limitations-law-will-reject.html)

Anybody know anything about this?

[hapzim]

Yes it's on it's way. Ask BALPA for their view. You will have knackered pilots working longer and more disruptive unsafe hours.

You lorry and coach drivers are far more restricted in their working hours and patterns.

The FAA are becoming more restrictive especially after the Buffalo crash, yet the EASA under commercail pressures from operators are moving down a very dangerous route.:ugh:

[Nightrider]

Wasn't it clear from the beginning that this EASA will re-invent the wheel? Did not expect anything else from them after JAA took forever to draft something....the airlines were more prepared this time to get their views more respected.

[AltFlaps]

UK will continue with existing FTLs based on (as it is now) the Air Navigation Order

[Denti]

Last i heard in a briefing from ECA was that UK cannot continue to use different national FTL schemes as the new EASA thingy supercedes national law and does not allow national regulations to continue. Hope they're wrong about that as CAP 371 is still pretty much the best FTL scheme in europe.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

denti that's affirm to my knowledge also. whilst agreeing with what altflaps says about cap371 you might find with easa ftl if used sensibly with frms to support it that things might improve. My own personal love affair with cap371 is only dampened by the limits on 2 crew etops (factorisation and provision of a third pilot to bend the rules, and limits on early /late/nights which has resulted in some pretty crap rosters over the years...) :\

[Sciolistes]

This story starts here: Airline Industry and Aviation Safety News from Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/01/23/321501/flight-time-limitation-pilots-cheer-airlines-howl.html)

Develops into this: Airline Industry and Aviation Safety News from Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/02/03/322003/easa-under-fire-over-pilot-flight-time-limitations.html)

And is commented on here: http://www.pacts.org.uk/docs/pdf-bank/RussWilliams-FTLPaper.pdf

I don't know who Russ Williams is or when that was written, but the potential duty lengths looms hideuous. I know how I feel after a difficult 14 hours (and since when has a 14 hour short haul day been normal and easy?).

[Los Endos]

'"expert" opinions from the airlines.' And we all know what that means.

[Nightrider]

I don't know who Russ Williams is or when that was written

it says at the bottom:

Captain R Williams FRAeS
Chairman, Air safety Group
21st June 2007

[Goprdon]

Russ Williams was Chief Pilot of a North Sea Helicopter operation ( 1970s ) before joining the CAA as an FOI . He became Head of the Flight Operations Policy Section( early 1990s). I always found him to be an aviation person of sound judgement.

[Max Angle]

This is what we are up against. Very depressing.

YouTube - TRAN_Committee_EU_09Nov10_Simpson.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeYgtX7WFo4)

[sky9]

Brian Simpson was my MEP some years ago. I went along to speak to him with another pilot and it is clear that he hasn't changed his opinion. The YouTube excerpt is an exact précis of his view 10 years ago. He seems more interested in having an European wide FTL than having a safe scientifically based FTL. I would love to know what his agenda is when he is unable to accept a scientific report on fatigue.

I find it all very tiring.

[Denti]

Interesting is also the performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQP80_4Lkg) of the (ex-cabin crew) Jaqueline Foster, also of the UK. Especially her view of the so-called Moebus Report (http://www.easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/r/doc/research/FTL%20Study%20Final%20Report.pdf). In view of those "views" about safety i have a very very bad idea where the new FTL scheme is going (and who most probably pays them their nice cozy weekend home at the costa brava).

[Denti]

The result of the EASA rulemaking effort is now available for comments. See NPA 2010-14A (http://easa.europa.eu/rulemaking/docs/npa/NPA%202010-14.pdf) on the EASA webpage.

[seat 0A]

The European Cockpit Association (ECA) has done a press release yesterday.
It was published in the largest newspaper in Holland and is getting some attention.
However, I am convinced that the AEA lobby will always win this battle in the Europarlement. They simply have more to offer.........

A Big Step for Aviation Safety ? In the Wrong Direction ? EU Agency Publishes Inadequate Pilot Fatigue Rules ? | European Cockpit Association (ECA) (http://www.eurocockpit.be/stories/20101220/a-big-step-for-aviation-safety-in-the-wrong-direction-eu-agency-publishes-inadequat)