faa/jaa harmonisation

[goldfish64]

does anyone know how far along the faa/jaa harmonisation process is with regard to flight crew licensing? Is it posible to directly convert a faa cpl/ir into the jaa equivalent?

[StressFree]

I dont think that licence harmony will happen for years, if at all.

:cool:

[Flypuppy]

Never mind FAA/JAA Harmonisation, it would be nice if the countries in the JAA states could get themselves harmonised.

The way things seem to be going the JAA will make it more difficult to convert any non JAR licence, not easier. It is not possible to directly convert an FAA licence into a JAA one. You would have to have your FAA licence and experience assessed and then you may get a reduction in the amount of training required for the issue of a JAR CPL/IR.
JAR-FCL 1.015 includes the following clause for the conversion of non-JAA licences to a JAR-FCL licence:

"A licence issued by a non-JAA State may be converted to a JAR-FCL licence provided that an arrangement exists between the JAA and the non-JAA State. This arrangement shall be established on the basis of reciprocity of licence acceptance and shall ensure that an equivalent level of safety exists between the training and testing requirements of the JAA and the non-JAA State. Any arrangement entered into will be reviewed periodically, as agreed by the non-JAA State and the JAA. A licence converted according to such an arrangement shall have an entry indicating the non-JAA State upon which the conversion is based. Other Member States shall not be obliged to accept any such licence."


The abovementioned arrangement will contain the terms and conditions of the licence conversion. The development of such arrangements is in its initial stage.

Another possibility to obtain a JAR-FCL licence taking into consideration a licence issued in accordance with ICAO and the experience gained in a non JAA State, therefore JAR-FCL 1.016 mentions the following:

"An applicant for a JAR-FCL licence and IR, if applicable, already holding at least an equivalent licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State shall meet all the requirements of JAR-FCL, except that the requirements of course duration, number of lessons and specific training hours may be reduced. The Authority may be guided as to the credits to be granted on the basis of a recommendation from an appropriate training organisation."

For more legalese and doublespeak click here
JAA Legalese (http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/tocjarfcl1.htm) or for the UK CAA version CAA Legalese (http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/pld/fcl/fcl_faq_detail.asp?ID=493)

[goldfish64]

flypuppy, what do yoyu mean by "issued in accordance with ICAO"? Does ICAO issue licenses??

I find this quite confusing

[Flypuppy]

ICAO do not issue licences. They lay down international guidelines for standards for the issuance of licences.
One of ICAO's chief activities is standardization, the establishment of International Standards, Recommended Practices and Procedures covering the technical fields of aviation: licensing of personnel, rules of the air, aeronautical meteorology, aeronautical charts, units of measurement, operation of aircraft, nationality and registration marks, airworthiness, aeronautical telecommunications, air traffic services, search and rescue, aircraft accident investigation, aerodromes, aeronautical information services, aircraft noise and engine missions, security and the safe transport of dangerous goods. After a Standard is adopted it is put into effect by each ICAO Contracting State in its own territories. As aviation technology continues to develop rapidly, the Standards are kept under constant review and amended as necessary.

In keeping pace with the rapid development of international civil aviation, ICAO is conscious of the need to adopt in its specifications modern systems and techniques. In recent years, extensive work has been undertaken by ICAO in the areas of reporting aircraft accident and incident data, all-weather operations, automation of air traffic services, the application of computers in meteorological services, aircraft noise, engine emissions and the carriage of dangerous goods by air. ICAO has dealt with the subject of unlawful interference with civil aviation and with questions regarding aviation and the human environment.


ICAO HOMEPAGE (http://www.icao.int/index.cfm)

[ 18 August 2001: Message edited by: Flypuppy ]