American Airlines Boeing 737 out of Dallas ran off the runway at Montreal

[alph2z]

The American Airlines Boeing 737 out of Dallas ran off the runway at Trudeau Airport around 8 p.m. Tuesday night.

A total of 111 passengers were on board the plane, but no one was injured.

Montreal traveller Paul Lavallee said the plane was shaking and he could see mud flying up to the sides of the plane after it rolled into the grass.

Beaconsfield resident Annemarie Rogers said no one fell out of their seats, but passengers had to brace themselves by holding on to the seats in front of them.

The plane remained on the runway with passengers inside until about 9:50 p.m.

The airplane was not seriously damaged.

The cause of the incident is unknown, said Aeroports de Montreal spokesperson Anne Marcotte.

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is investigating.

CTV Montreal - Airplane runs off Trudeau runway - CTV News (http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101130/mtl_trudeau_101130/20101130?hub=Montreal)
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[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

So mud was flying as it "rolled into the grass", but the "plane remained on the runway"... interesting.

[Super VC-10]

Which may indicate that one wheelset departed the side of the runway.

Actually, it was a nose gear off the end of the runway, main gears stayed on the tarmac.

[cwatters]

Why were the pax kept on for nearly 2 hours afterwards?

[BOAC]

Beaconsfield resident Annemarie Rogers said no one fell out of their seats - good to hear they were strapped in:ugh:

[411A]

So mud was flying as it "rolled into the grass", but the "plane remained on the runway"... interesting.
Grass runways being all the rage these days...apparently.:rolleyes:

[mymymy]

I won't speculate on the cause.

Sorry about the lousy picture quality.

http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af259/petermanor/AA737NG1-1-1.jpg

Still there at the time of this posting.

3m

[er340790]

Would never have happened at Mirabel!

H.C.D.

[protectthehornet]

hmmm, another 737NG over run.

but seriously...land, stop like you mean it

[mundaka]

Freezing rain on the forecast? Was the runway contaminated?

[alph2z]

Weather not that special.

It seems to have done an AF (747) nosewheel into the grass (see last yr). Coincidently on the same runway but with a south turn instead of north.
I don't know if they had a nosewheel failure like the AF (747).

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Cyul 010100z 14016kt 6sm -ra Br Sct010 Bkn022 Ovc050 07/06 A3010 Rmk Sf4sc2sc2
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[bugg smasher]

Due a series of continuing incidents and accidents, unabated it appears, AA is the subject of considerable FAA scrutiny, lots of impromptu inspector appearances in those cockpits these days.

Just have to add this one to the chalkboard I guess, systemic issues that have worked their way into the training department are tough to root out, especially for a carrier of that size.

All boils down to people though, individual people, their methods and opinions, those agendas need to be identified and dealt with. Somewhat smartly I'd venture to say.

[p51guy]

Wow, I guess AA could use your talent to get things right.

[bugg smasher]

I rest my case.

[411A]

... systemic issues that have worked their way into the training department are tough to root out, especially for a carrier of that size.



Yes, and don't expect these issues to just 'go away' anytime soon.
From the maintenance hangar (many violations and FAA fines) to the flight ops department (many incidents and accidents) AA is but a shadow of its former self...competancy-wise.
I suspect that if they were from a foreign country, they would be rated category two.

[punkalouver]

Weather not that special.

I don't know if they had a nosewheel failure like the AF (747).



The only failure on that AF 747 was a failure to operate the nosewheel tiller properly.

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2008/a08q0171/a08q0171.pdf

[Peter Fanelli]

I won't speculate on the cause.


Why not?
It was clearly caused by a lack of friction.

Factors leading up to that lack of friction remain to be determined.

[protectthehornet]

its been awhile since I've been to montreal (this is YUL right?). Isn't the runway ungrooved, and not well crowned?

Let's just be glad the nosewheel went off and not the whole darn plane.

I remember the last -800 that went off the end...we all spoke of the higher speed on landing to avoid tail strike???

[Dr. Bru]

No one enjoys getting ramped. Is it true that the FAA is coming down on AA? From the picture it looks like the 37 went off the side of the runway.

[alph2z]

Thanks punkalouver for the link to the report,

I didn't expect a hand on the tiller to be the cause. I had seen that plane on left base while I was BBQ'ing supper.
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[BigFootDriver]

Geez. Bunch of bed wetters. Contrary to your little rumors, AA is not under FAA scrutiny, maintenance is far far better than any the us air carriers, at least according to a kafw based FAA maintenance inspector.

The airline has never been safer despite the bungling management. Here's a great idea.. STFU and wait until the investigation is complete before trying to duplicate the event on your private pilot desktop simulator program..

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.....

[protectthehornet]

I'm not a fan of American Airlines. but they are still a great airline. any kinks at american are likely at other airlines...but because of the scale of things, american is more likely to be in the news.

[411A]

The airline has never been safer despite the bungling management.
Really?

AA...largest total dollar amount of fines from the FAA due to maintenance irregularities.
AA....largest hull loss record amongst large US air carriers.

A shadow of its former self.:yuk:

[galaxy flyer]

Too say nothing about terrible customer service.....three agents to check-in four flights yesterday at LHR. Took two hours to drop bags, fortunately, lava needed work, bags were late being boarded and no push back crew equaled an hour and change late departure. Last month, it was much the same KBOS-LHR. I agree with 411A, a shadow of itself.

Several overruns, including LIT; AA A300 hull loss in JFK, not too spiffy on accidents, either.

GF

[Halfnut]

Was the runway grooved?

[jjeppson]

I have some additional photos of 802. I believe they were taken by a passenger after disembarking.I will gladly post them if someone can tell me how to add an attachment to a post. Photo is worth 10,000 words.

jj

[SKS777FLYER]

Read thru this link...
http://www.pprune.org/spectators-balcony-spotters-corner/203481-image-posting-pprune-guide.html

I have used extensively (on other forums) Photobucket for imbedding photos into posts.

[jjeppson]

Pictures by jwjeppson - Photobucket (http://s1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd435/jwjeppson/)

[nnc0]

Good pictures - Kind of deja vu for the classic movie isn't it?

YouTube - Airport - Stuck In Snow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rnxS2R5KUQ&feature=related)

Pilot -"I've got over 3 million miles in the air."
Joe Petroni - "Yeah, and two and half feet in the ground"

[angels]

As humble SLF I would have to observe that that plane looks like it definitely is off the runway.....

Thanks jjeppson!!

[mymymy]

Excursion attributed to nose-gear steering rate-jam event.
Report here (http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2010/a10q0213/a10q0213.asp)
Forgive me if already posted somewhere else.