ChePety
24th Nov 2010, 12:57
Hi everyone,
A long time has passed since the last time I've posted anything on PPRuNe. I am now the Ground OPS manager and Supervisor of FLT OPS of a BizJet operator. So far all of the company's flights (commercial or others) have been flying with the aircraft Registration as the flight number/callsign. As the number and frequency of the flights are increasing though they asked me to find out how to obtain flight numbers. As a humble citizen I went to the national authority of the AOC holder and received the answer, that
a. I should go back and read some more before I ask stupid questions and bother the almighty authority with questions of all sorts.
b. Flight numbers are for scheduled flights and charter flights - Period. And why is it a problem to fly under registration, it was good enough for the previous management (operating 4 Cessna 152-s and a couple of Pipers for PPL holding owners) it should be good enough for us too. Not to mention that - as per the Civil Aviation Authority's answer - Flight numbers can not be the same for both legs, because the "system won't accept it" (they literally hung up the phone when I asked what if the flight goes BRU-LUX-ZRH-GVA, telling me to not bother the CAA with such matters)
Now I might really be the idiot I feel now, but so far nobody could clearly explain to me the process of establishing Flight numbers to individual aircrafts, and than flying with those. I know for a fact that most commercial operators do that all over the place.
The company I'm working for has an AOC, 4 frequently flying business jets on that AOC as well as a couple of light twins that also do frequent commercial flights. It has the 3 letter ICAO identifier as well as a unique callsign, but it has never used either of those.
I would appreciate if someone could take the time and point me in the right direction, regarding the steps necessary to start flying with flight numbers. Whether I need the approval of the CAA for that, If it is enough to regulate it in the OM, if I need to notify the local ATC services somehow.
I appreciate any help from anyone, who has experience on this matter.
Regards
CP
A long time has passed since the last time I've posted anything on PPRuNe. I am now the Ground OPS manager and Supervisor of FLT OPS of a BizJet operator. So far all of the company's flights (commercial or others) have been flying with the aircraft Registration as the flight number/callsign. As the number and frequency of the flights are increasing though they asked me to find out how to obtain flight numbers. As a humble citizen I went to the national authority of the AOC holder and received the answer, that
a. I should go back and read some more before I ask stupid questions and bother the almighty authority with questions of all sorts.
b. Flight numbers are for scheduled flights and charter flights - Period. And why is it a problem to fly under registration, it was good enough for the previous management (operating 4 Cessna 152-s and a couple of Pipers for PPL holding owners) it should be good enough for us too. Not to mention that - as per the Civil Aviation Authority's answer - Flight numbers can not be the same for both legs, because the "system won't accept it" (they literally hung up the phone when I asked what if the flight goes BRU-LUX-ZRH-GVA, telling me to not bother the CAA with such matters)
Now I might really be the idiot I feel now, but so far nobody could clearly explain to me the process of establishing Flight numbers to individual aircrafts, and than flying with those. I know for a fact that most commercial operators do that all over the place.
The company I'm working for has an AOC, 4 frequently flying business jets on that AOC as well as a couple of light twins that also do frequent commercial flights. It has the 3 letter ICAO identifier as well as a unique callsign, but it has never used either of those.
I would appreciate if someone could take the time and point me in the right direction, regarding the steps necessary to start flying with flight numbers. Whether I need the approval of the CAA for that, If it is enough to regulate it in the OM, if I need to notify the local ATC services somehow.
I appreciate any help from anyone, who has experience on this matter.
Regards
CP