ACC vacancies with student licence?

[Stoffel_KT]

Hey,

I've posted a simular tread a few months ago, in meanwhile I have kept on looking around and sending emails around, so far still no luck.... :(

I was wondering if anybody had any tips regarding possible options for me.
I have a student air traffic control licence with an area rating and a radar endorsment.
I'm looking for a possition to fully validate my licence and build up a further career. I'm willing to move all around the world for this, so not limiting my options to Europe alone. As well I would agree to start my training all over from scratch.

Any help would be most highly appreciated.

Thank you...!!!

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

I suppose the obvious questions are: How did you get a Student Licence with those ratings and how come you aren't validating them with the ANSP who issued them?

[Stoffel_KT]

That is a very obvious question indeed.

I got my licence with Eurocontrol. I've had approximately 6-7 months experience in live traffic. Sadly circumstances have led to the termination of my training prior to my full validation.

Since your name states you are a Heathrow director and you might be able to help me any further I don't mind explaining these circumstances further in private contact if you wish.

regards,

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

OK.. I'm a long-retired ATCO but I was a training officer for some time. You have no need to explain, but if your training was terminated there must have been good reason(s) and that/those reason(s) will no doubt be conveyed to any future employer.

I don't know what the answer is, but I hope someone on here may be able to help you.

[Stoffel_KT]

If I understand correctly what you are saying I fully agree with you. If one ansp has found you not suitable in the end to be a controller, you probably will end up not suitable for any other ansp as well.

The thing is that I can honnestly say that I am capable of becomming a good controller, but a very harsh situation in my personal life has sadly intervened with my training. The mistake I have made in this was not being completely open about this, a mistake I can definatly say I will never make again.

Anyway, as I said, I understand your opinion 100%, I can only hope I will find one ansp who can understand and trust my opinion as well and give me a second chance.

Thx again,

[niknak]

If you are a Belgian citizen or an EEC national, apply to NATS in the UK;
Home - NATS (http://www.nats.co.uk)

[Stoffel_KT]

Hey niknak,

Thx for your reply....

I am actualy in progress with nats, even more, I've just arrived in Fareham to do my stage 2 tomorrow. For some reason they say the Feast-test should not be taken a second time and result can be transferred between ansp's, but in practice that never seems to happen and you always have to take it again :) hehe

The thing with nats is
1. I've heard rumours that they are not to fond of people with prior training experience (but as said in a previous message that is something I can understand as well)
2. As I seem to hear there is a long waiting period before you can start (approx 1yr) after you have been selected
3. They've just been sending mails around stating they will reduce the intake of trainees because they will start fewer courses. I guess the waiting list might get even longer
4. Untill yesterday I was as well in selection with the iaa, I passed my interview etc. but apparently they seem to have problems converting my secondary diploma to the requested qualification they have. They say they need my detailed result of my exams. I have tried contacting every possible organisation in Belgium that might be able to recover these results for me, they all said it was not possible. In Belgium this is not a common thing that you need your detailed results and they don't store it... You can only request your diploma stating the kind of secondary education you took, but ofcourse I still had my original for this. Because of this they took me out of the competition, eventhough it turns out I passed my interview :(
Now my troubling question for this point nr 4 after this long explanation :) is, will nats as well be requesting these detailed results or is your diploma fine?

Sorry for the lenghty message....

But to sum it up.... Yes, would love to get my chance with nats but, keeping the points above in mind, I hope now I'm not waisting my time and money on it and ofcourse I would prefer to be working again as soon as possible

[ron83]

Maybe this can help with IAA, this information is found UCAS - Home (http://www.ucas.com) It's kind of conversion,they say what your education is equivalent of... Evaluation French-Speaking Community Certificat d’Enseignement Secondaire Supérieur Diplôme de l’Examen d’Admission Diplôme d’Acces aux Etudes Supérieures Flemish-Speaking Community Brevet van de Aanvullende Secundaire Bereopsschool (secondary education programme) Getuignschrift van Hoger Secundair Onderwijs German-Speaking Community Abschlu§zeugnis der Oberstufe des Sekundarunterrichts All acceptable as group qualifications satisfying general entrance requirements. Grading System Various, with details on certificates, but most commonly:10 (maximum) ... 1 Education System The federal structure of Belgium is intricate, but in general terms, the educational systems may be interpreted by reference to the three main linguistic communities. Since 1989, the Dutchspeaking (Flemish), French-speaking and German-speaking communities have had a very considerable measure of autonomy in educational policy. Nonetheless, there are certain broad national guidelines. Six years of primary education is followed by six years of compulsory secondary education leading to the school-leaving certificate: Diploma van Secundair Onderwijs/Certificat d’Enseignement Secondaire Supérieur/Abschlu§zeugnis der Oberstufe des Sekundarunterrichts. The sixth-year secondary certificates have recently been reappraised and made more demanding. Secondary education is arranged in four distinct sections: general, technical, artistic and vocational. The certificate will record the specialisation. Access to Higher Education The Flemish Parliament adopted a new HE Act in April 2003, implementing the principles of the Bologna Declaration. The general admission requirement for a Bachelor programme is the Flemish secondary school leaving certificate (Diploma van Secundair Onderwijs). Entry examinations must be passed by any student who wishes to take up study in dentistry, medicine and fine arts (Diploma van het Toelatingsexamen). From 2004/5, there will be no further entry examinations for civil engineering, civil engineering/architecture or nautical sciences. Some professional Bachelor degrees (180 ECTS) give access to subsequent Bachelor programmes (at least 60 ECTS), possibly after a preliminary examination. The ‘Hogescholen’ board stipulates which Bachelor degrees give access to these professionally oriented specialisation programmes. Academic Bachelor degrees (180 ECTS) give access to Masters programmes (at least 60 ECTS). Some Master degrees will give access to subsequent Masters programmes (at least a further 60 ECTS), possibly after a preliminary examination. The university board stipulates which Masters degrees give access to these specialised and advanced Master programmes. Professional Bachelor degrees give access to some Master programmes after a bridging course (schakelprogramma). The programme of the bridging course is determined by the university board and will be between 45 and 90 ECTS. The Master degrees give access to doctoral programmes, possibly after a preliminary examination (dependent on field of study).