View Full Version : Buy a Cessna 182, 1996 or newer.........
dypen
31st Oct 2010, 22:18
We have plans to buy a Cessna 182, there must be a 1996 model or newer and non turbo. IFR equipment is not necessary! Basically we want a plane that is in very good condition such as paint, interior and some flying hours left on the propeller, engine and fuselage :)
But we are open and consider all if price is right, paint repair, engine overhaul and cosmetics cost money and we must include in our calculation for purchase!
I think the Cessna 182 came with the G1000 in 2004, it had been fun and I guess maybe it is easier to sell in the future. Cessna 182 with G1000 is probably too expensive for us!
I see there are many online Cessna 182 for sale, some with price indication and without any price with a request to call. We do not know what these planes actually sold for, or what the owner can let it be sold for. I understand that we all want the best possible price from the sale, but if the market for aircraft sales are still bad does it affect prices?
How cheap can we buy a Cessna 182 in the United States, Canada or Europe now ?
Pilot DAR
1st Nov 2010, 04:40
I bought a very nice 1978 182, with low airframe time, mid engine time, and no damage history, in April, for a Norwegian friend, for US$ 75,000. Paint and interior were original, though not bad, and though we have done a lot of work on it. It certainly was airworthy, with no snags when I picked it up.
There were others out there spanning the price I paid, but the equipment and condition too!
Flying Binghi
1st Nov 2010, 05:26
How cheap can we buy a Cessna 182 in the United States
Here yer go -
CESSNA 182, Used CESSNA 182, CESSNA 182 For Sale At Controller.com - Page 1 (http://www.controller.com/list/list.aspx?ETID=1&catid=6&Manu=CESSNA&MDLGrp=182&setype=1)
Airplanes & Aircraft Parts For Sale - Free Classified Ads - Ultralights to Airliners - Used Aircraft and Helicopter Sales and Classifieds including Cessna, Beechcraft, Piper, de Havilland, Boeing, Airbus and Lockheed planes (http://www.barnstormers.com/index.php)
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/
There's more, though you can google it..;)
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Thank you for feedback on my post! C-182 1978 in good condition for $ 75,000 is a good aircraft, unsure of the price difference from here and up to 1996 model and newer. I basically want to buy aircraft from 1996 and later.
The links that are posted here I thank you, this are pages I have visited several times. There are some ads on C-182S in the model area in 1996 -1999 approaching our price level if we get good discounts :)
Someone who has concrete sales prices of similar flights from buyers or sellers ?
... If you have flown 182s and quite happy then fine - My personal experience was brief - around 1980 so may not apply to later versions
that may have since been improved.
For a start I may have been spoilt in that my last a/c was a Cessna Rheims 172J - not to be confused with an ordinary 172 - having
the smooth and extra power of its Rolls Royce Continental 6 cylinder 210hp fuel injection and VP prop etc - but decided to partex against a 182 - but within first hour of flying the 182 found it heavy to handle - very noisy and rough sounding engine -and (not sure about this) was of carb heating type !
Anyway I was very glad and most releived to return to the field and fly home in my 172J.
Of course I accept that I may have been unlucky and this particular 182
was not typical of all .
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dont overfil
1st Nov 2010, 11:24
Yes, they are much heavier than a C172 especially with a forward c of g but there is little out there with the combination of lifting capacity, speed and short field capability.
The late '90s models with the Lycoming, fuel injection and three blade prop are super smooth and surprisingly economical.
Sorry, haven't any firm prices but I would expect the first of the late build models would be upwards of £80000.
DO.
Thanks for the feedback, even the ones I have as PM :)
Cessna 172 we can hire through our local flying club, both with and without G1000 to a very nice price :)
What makes it interesting in addition to a beautiful aircraft with a Cessna 182 is the lifting capacity, cruse speed, short field capability and available aircraft when we want to be away for a few days.
We hope this justifies the higher cost it is to own versus fly club aircraft :ok:
Quote from "dont overfil" The late '90s models with the Lycoming, fuel injection and three blade prop are super smooth and surprisingly economical.
I'm also looking at C182s, and I was disappointed in performance/service ceiling of the '98 model (according to the POH).
For me the model 182Q or 182R is the way to go.
WorkingHard
1st Nov 2010, 20:56
Buy a Cessna R172K with the Isham engine mod. and you can go anywhere. Full 4 seater, 8 galls. per hour, 17000ft ceiling and at the right altitude about 130knots +. I have loved every minute of mine and I know another on these pages who feels the same. Quite rare but well worth seeking out.
dont overfil
2nd Nov 2010, 09:38
TWR
Having flown these types I would suggest the POH of the newer aircraft tells less porkies.
Also the real world difference in consumption between the carburetor and the fuel injection is 1.5-2 gph.
If performance is that important the RG has more speed (and maintenence cost).
On the subject of cost tbo is 1600hrs on the Continentals (earlier models except RG) and 2000hrs on Lycomings.
The S model that dypen is looking for is a different beast from the earlier types. The only down side is no more than 30 degree flap!
DO.
Katamarino
2nd Nov 2010, 12:10
Does anyone have experience of the C182 with the SMA engine?
I'm hoping Continental get a move on with their version, as the aircraft I want to buy is a C182 Diesel :\
Does anyone have experience of the C182 with the SMA engine?
I'm hoping Continental get a move on with their version, as the aircraft I want to buy is a C182 Diesel :\
I hope they come with diesel when they have a good product to sell, not everyone can say that!
SMA Engines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_Engines)
182Q and 182R are many of these beauties on the web in different price ranges. But, I think prices are high considering the age vs. 182S -96 and up!
What exactly is the difference between Q and R, I see they are sold in approximately the same time period ?
dont overfil
2nd Nov 2010, 20:04
The economy looks disappointing.
I currently fly a C182T,- mechanically the same as the S- (non turbo) 22" 2200rpm at 7500ft gives 133ktas with a burn of 11.5usg ph (10imp g).
These are real figures not from the POH.
DO.
PS No significant difference between Q & R in performance.
I don't have the POH of the C182S with me, but when I went to see one that was up for sale and had a look at the perfo tables I was disappointed to see that best perfo was around 6000' and not much left when going up to 14000'.
This is significantly different from the models with the Continental engine. It's not that important when you fly low level VFR, but my mission is IFR above the clouds.
The cockpit of the pre '96 models is rubbish though. What an idea to put the AI and DG offset to the left :-/
Performance difference between Q and R is max tkof weight.
Very artificial, though. The higher tkof weight results in lower max operating
ceiling.
dont overfil
3rd Nov 2010, 09:27
I haven't had either above 10500 but up to that the late build AC was slightly better probably because it was newer. The RG is even better.
As I said earlier the newer POHs are nearer to the truth but don't believe everything they say.
Remember Cessna was taken to court over the published performance figures of the early C177.
DO.
Cessna 182 history and information:
http://www.seaplaneswest.com/documents/182hist.pdf
Cessna 182 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_182)
Flying the Cessna 182 Skylane: My Checkout Story (by Jeremy Zawodny) (http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/009724.html)
Home of the "Fresh Pick" STC - Trolltune Corporation (http://www.182stc.com/)
Fly Jet A Photo Gallery (http://www.flyjeta.com/photos.htm)
Ventet i to år | www.ringblad.no (http://www.ringblad.no/nyheter/article4277252.ece)
dont overfil
3rd Nov 2010, 11:40
Thanks dypen,
A new friend and an old friend in the photos on opening page of wikipedia. 1st and last.
DO.
What relation do you have to these aircraft "dont overfil" ? The Cessna 182 story we see what the planes cost the time they were new! :)
1997-2000 - 182S
Productionresumeswiththe182S
1.TextronLycomingfuel injected engineIO-540-AB1A5,230HP
2.Newseat and restraint system
3.Corrosionproofing
4.Dualvacuumsystem
5.Annunciatorpanel
6.Revisedelectricalsystem
SerialNumbers18280004thru18280944
Base Price $190,600
2high2fastagain
3rd Nov 2010, 16:42
Dypen,
I've been in the market myself. Things I've noticed or have been told are:
1. That the prices in the US seem pretty consistent. $120k will buy you a very nice aircraft. 182 prices in the UK seemed to have crept up quite a bit since the exchange rate moved back from 2-1 to 1.6-1
2. Prices in Europe are horrible. I presume this is because of the Euro. Some friends of mine in the US a year or two back were cheerfully selling their aircraft in droves to queues of French aviators. Not sure how things are now with the exchange rates.
3. Old aircraft aren't necessarily bad. With new paint, a decent interior and a good engine they will (arguably) outperform newer (heavier) aircraft.
4. The old RGs go about 15 knots faster and the TRs are even better at lifting as the Turbo allows you to get plenty of power on take-off even when hot and high. The older wheels up versions I believe might even perform better than the new fixed turbos from what I recall.
5. Pick an aircraft that has been regularly flown if you can. If it's been sitting in a wet field or a hangar for months, then you run the risk of a spate of bills in the first year. For some reason they do like being used and if they aren't, they end up taking vast amounts of money out your account.
6. The 30 year old beauty I ended up buying is super and is everything I could have hoped for. She performs smack on the POH figures, though she does need EDM data to help achieve this.
7. Ask your engineer and any other engineers you can find. The chaps in the industry know where the lemons and the peaches can be found. 'Ah yes, I know that one....' can save your life. (and DON'T FORGET to get a full survey by the way)
8. There has been a dearth of 182s on the 2nd hand market over the last 12-18 months, but some are now appearing in the magazine ads and webvendors. If you find a good one. Move quickly!
9. Oh and for price, obviously haggle. You should get a bit off the asking price, but in my experience people don't move that much - maybe 5-8%.
A friend of mine has bought a C182 with the canard kit and a Garmin 500 (has to be N-reg). It gets airborne in under 100m. It's a very capable utility aircraft.
Sounds amazing, though a C182 is not going to be as efficient as a more "normal" 4-seat tourer, so
at 7500ft gives 133ktas with a burn of 11.5usg phsounds about right.
dont overfil
3rd Nov 2010, 17:01
D
dypen,
Check your PMs
DO.
A friend of mine has bought a C182 with the canard kit..........
Sorry, there is much that is new to me here so I have to ask! What is this?
Here (http://www.katmai-260SE.com)
Actual performance is 130 knots (TAS, I think) at 11000ft and 12USG/hr. That's a good 25% worse than my TB20 but you could several grannies into the 182 - even when they are all on Aricept (http://www.aricept.com/) :)
dypen
12th Nov 2010, 21:26
Thanks, the description was unknown to me. I have already seen there are upgrade kits for these aircraft in several areas, I have not spent any time in putting me into these.
Has been a bit busy, but took a look at "controller.com" today at Cessna 182S :) There are four aircraft where the asking price is from $ 125-139 and four that do not have any price indication, call!
Feel it is more aircraft with lower prices now compared to earlier this year, I choose to believe that in any case ;)
CESSNA 182S SKYLANE, Used CESSNA 182S SKYLANE, CESSNA 182S SKYLANE For Sale At Controller.com - Page 1 (http://www.controller.com/list/list.aspx?HDRSO=Price&ETID=1&catid=6&Mdltxt=182S+SKYLANE&setype=1&Manu=CESSNA&mdlx=exact&bcatid=13&Pref=0&HDROR=asc)
ferrydude
12th Nov 2010, 21:52
Do your homework and make sure the one you chose is not affected by the crankshaft AD which is coming due now for many of these aircraft. The crank kit alone is over 12K USD from Lycoming:sad:
dypen
12th Nov 2010, 22:32
Hello! This price "12000 USD" includes parts and work, ranging from the supply plane in the shop until you retrieve it with a new crankshaft?
ferrydude
12th Nov 2010, 22:50
Wouldn't that be nice, but no, it is the price of the crankshaft, main bearings and seals alone. Since most of those aircraft that are due now, or coming due soon are mid time to TBO and beyond, it wouldn't make much sense to only replace the crank. A major overhaul, or replacement with a factory rebuilt engine would be in order. About 34K exchange for the rebuilt.:D
dypen
12th Nov 2010, 22:56
Crankshaft has no weaknesses or production damage, it has given a lifetime of hours or years and must be replaced?
ferrydude
12th Nov 2010, 22:59
Yes, it must be replaced as per the Airworthiness Directive, 12 years from date of service entry, or 2000 hours.
As far as I understand there have been no actual failures.
dypen
12th Nov 2010, 23:05
Which intervals are at the service of the prop?
ferrydude
13th Nov 2010, 01:47
The manufacturer says 6 years. For N reg part 91, there is no required interval.
Check the requirements of the CAA where you plan to register it.
dypen
20th Feb 2011, 19:17
Shopping Plans still in progress! Good times for the purchase of used aircraft, according to aviation magazines. :)
The Perfect Time to Buy Used
For buyers these are great times to be in the hunt for an airplane that's gotten some gentle use and good care. But for sellers, faced with an economic need to relinquish the airplane they've enjoyed and nurtured, often for years, the times aren't so good.
The Perfect Time to Buy Used | Flying Magazine | The World?s Most Widely Read Aviation Magazine (http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/ownership/perfect-time-buy-used)
I found this article to focus a lot on purchase price, and not so much on yearly costs. Maybe those are trivial in the USA ?
Anyway,
not a lot of post-1996 C182 S on the European market today.
And prices are still way too high...
172driver
21st Feb 2011, 07:03
A friend of mine has bought a C182 with the canard kit..........
Sorry, there is much that is new to me here so I have to ask! What is this?
I've flown one of those Peterson conversions across Europe a few years back. Very nice a/c to fly, climbs like a homesick angel on steroids! Take-off is pretty spectacular - full throttle and the next thing you know is you're airborne.
These things have been designed for backcountry flying and serious lifting out of very short runways. They also have amazing maneuverability in slow flight.
IIRC the one I flew did about 135kts @ 8-9k ft @ about 12 USG/hr.
Btw, the one I flew has been seriously upgraded since (Garmin 430/530, paint, interior) and I think is for sale at the moment. PM me if interested.
dypen
22nd Feb 2011, 21:07
TWR
Anyway, not a lot of post-1996 C182 S on the European market today.
And prices are still way too high...
Overall, there are some machines in Europe for sale but on the other side of the pond's offer far better, more variable and at lower prices where we see........
172driver
Btw, the one I flew has been seriously upgraded since (Garmin 430/530, paint, interior) and I think is for sale at the moment. PM me if interested.
This is probably an older C182, older than 1996.......