Stick or yoke?

[Jan Olieslagers]

Reading in another thread "most of the others have sticks, which are much better for everything except pretending you're still in a car" I am hesitating to follow my club's change of planes. All my flying till now has been on stick-equipped planes, but these have been discarded and I am now supposed to change to using a yoke. Is it really very different? Why are sticks better for most things? If yokes are really poorer, why are they being used?

Obviously, yokes will be preferred by those wearing long tight skirts... but I can't remember ever seeing such on an aerodrome, more's the pity.

[BackPacker]

I prefer a stick for aerobatics, and a yoke for long-distance touring.

A stick in general has less control linkages so feels more direct. But the disadvantage of most sticks (except Airbus or Cirrus-style side-sticks I presume) is that you can't hold anything in your lap.

I transitioned from yoke (PA28) to stick (Robins, Diamonds) and never found it a problem whatsoever. Both feel really natural to me.

[glorygal]

Having flown wearing a skirt, I can tell you that it's less about the experience inside the cockpit and more about the difficulty in climbing up to dip the fuel tanks in the Cessna :=

[AdamFrisch]

I dislike sticks immensely in FW.

They're always in the way, they tire your wrist, they look like some cheesy stick shift nob from Halfords. And, they make every aircraft look like a newly baked homebuilt.

If I see one more bloody 2-seat LSA low wing with a stick and 912 Rotax, I might not be responsible for my actions. Real men fly yokes. Just look at all the bush aircraft out there, not a stick in sight.

;)

[Piper.Classique]

Just look at all the bush aircraft out there, not a stick in sight.
.........Super Cub

[eharding]

I dislike sticks immensely in FW.

They're always in the way, they tire your wrist, they look like some cheesy stick shift nob from Halfords. And, they make every aircraft look like a newly baked homebuilt.

If I see one more bloody 2-seat LSA low wing with a stick and 912 Rotax, I might not be responsible for my actions. Real men fly yokes. Just look at all the bush aircraft out there, not a stick in sight.

;)

A yoke is a device for attaching a humble beast of burden to an agricultural implement in order to drag it laboriously across the landscape.

In times of economic hardship, once the beast of burden is no longer able to perform this simple task, it will be shot, cooked, and eaten.

Either way, it things don't look that good if you're attached to a yoke.....

[FlyingStone]

The thing I miss with stick is inability to mount anything on it (e.g. chart holder, or GPS) whereas yoke comes very handy :) Plus you can always put your right hand on the yoke if you don't have anything else to do with it.

I prefer yoke, but as said, stick gives you better feel of controls.

[IO540]

I must admit I much prefer a yoke, but then my time on yoke v. stick is at least 100:1.

However it depends to some extent whether the yoke goes between your legs or is a side-stick. The former is IMHO a stupid idea for touring because it just gets in the way - long skirt or not ;) The latter will naturally be a lot shorter (in lever length terms) which I don't like but I suppose one gets used to it.

I bet yoke touring planes (Cirruses etc) get flown mostly on the autopilot.

[mad_jock]

Same as with backpacker I really don't care they both feel right.

Only slight advantage with a stick is if the aircraft is out of trim in roll and you can't adjust it from the cockpit you can just lean your leg on it to make it fly S&L which is a whole heap more comfy than pushing your knee up.

Also as well with a stick you can rest your hand on your lap and fly with your finger tips when in cruise.

But I am not bothered either way.

[Jan Olieslagers]

Just look at all the bush aircraft out there, not a stick in sight.
... or MH1521 File:Cockpit MH-1521 Broussard.jpg - Wikimedia Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cockpit_MH-1521_Broussard.jpg)
... or the Do-27 / Do-28 Dornier Do-27 and 28 (http://www.bush-planes.com/Dornier-Do-27and28.html)

But Backpacker's reply brought most inspiration - as I am into touring - and not into aerobatics at all - a yoke might be not too bad for me. Couldn't help wondering what to keep on my lap, though. Map? Mug of coffee? Co-pilot?

But the hand on the thigh, steering with fingertips, is quite an habit of mine. Probably because I'm a beginner. OTOH I never imagined applying my legs to the stick! They're in full time-use on the rudder (few microlights having directional trim).

[mad_jock]

Anything as long as its not your chart with your finger on it screwing with your navigation. :) Personally I don't have anything or maybe an A4 knee board from tescos if IFR. Coffee bad idea unless its in one of those cups that self seals and you have to press a lever to get any out. Only down side of them is they are a bitch to get out of the footwell if they fall down there. I knew a pilot that got some quite nasty burns from sugary coffee spilling on his lap.

Some sticks don't get in your way and for me are at thigh level. Others you could use as a brush handle. There is no issues touring in a robin. And from experence you can fly both with a kilt on :p

[RTN11]

Depends on the position of the stick. I prefer it between your legs like in a bulldog, rather than off to one side like in the C42, or most microlights for that matter.

[BroomstickPilot]

Hi Jan,

Basically, nowadays in club aircraft it's horses for courses. The control column does tend to have fewer linkages and is definitely more direct and more sensitive, so it's much better for aerobatics. It's also easier with a stick on the landing approach when you have one hand on the throttle. The yoke is better on long journeys as you can hold it with both hands and the weight of one hand balances the other.

You need to look at the history of these features. In the early days of flight, aircraft were small and light and had control columns. Then with the introduction of larger, heavier, longer-ranged aircraft the control wheel was introduced. This was partly for reasons of comfort over long trips, but mainly because especially before the days of power-operated or power or servo-assisted controls big aeroplanes were very heavy on the controls and the wheel gave more leverage. In later years, the wheel gradually became abbreviated into a yoke.

This is probably why very, very few fighters have been fitted with yokes. I can only think of one that definitely had a yoke; the Lockheed Lightning, but that was a long-range, escort fighter intended to accompany the bombers. (I have a feint recollection that the Beaufighter, or some other British twin-engine fighter, may have had one, but I'm not sure; anybody know)?

Piper and Cessna began fitting yokes, I think, during the thirties. These were obviously preferable for the long legs a private pilot can fly over that huge country.

I remember flying a new Piper Colt in about 1964, that not only had a yoke, my first experience of this device, but also a hand-held microphone for radio transmission, held in a clip on the instrument panel, and a large loudspeaker, inches in diameter, in the rear wall of the cockpit for radio reception.

The reason for this arrangement seems to be explained by an article I read in about 1965 in 'Flying' magazine. This article was written by an American lady commercial pilot/instructor who had been taken on to be the sales pilot in a US Piper or Cessna dealership. The terms of her employment specified that at all times when at work she must be wearing both earings and a skirt, (obviously among other things). I think they allowed her to wear flat heels.

Clearly, this was to demonstrate that with a yoke a woman can fly smartly dressed, (which in those days would mean in a skirt) and with the hand mike and loudspeaker, she didn't even have to wear a headset (that might snag her earings). How the world has changed.

Broomstick.

[Janu]

I think I'd probably choose the yoke.

[glorygal]

I vote for stick for aeros and yoke for getting from A toB

[IFMU]

I suspect any decent pilot can adapt to either, fly without complaining, and still enjoy it. Only a bad plumber blames his tools.

-- IFMU

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I wonder how a yoke would work as the cyclic in a helicopter?

[BackPacker]

I suspect any decent pilot can adapt to either, fly without complaining, and still enjoy it. Only a bad plumber blames his tools.

I'd like to see you have a go at the first Wright flyer weightshift/wing warping combo.:eek:

[CISTRS]

BackPacker states:
A stick in general has less control linkages so feels more direct.

For that reason alone, I prefer a stick.
I don't know of any gliders with yokes....

[mbkoks]

I fly both as well. I really love the stick in a Diamond, but since i am left handed, i prefer a yoke on longer flights, especially with navigation on paper involved.

Why? Because i need to control the plane with my right hand briefly while i'm updating my nav log with my left hand (my right hand writing is unreadable). My kneeboard is on my right leg, so imagine a stick plane, left with pencil all the way over to the right (in the way of the stick), and my right hand handling the stick, in the way of all mentioned above. Actually looks funny. ;)

[aviate1138]

This was comfort for me for quite a few years. Side stick was v. comfortable.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/G-BXGTPanel.jpg

SkyArrow 650

[Human Factor]

A yoke is a device for attaching a humble beast of burden to an agricultural implement in order to drag it laboriously across the landscape.

In times of economic hardship, once the beast of burden is no longer able to perform this simple task, it will be shot, cooked, and eaten.

Either way, it things don't look that good if you're attached to a yoke.....

Hmmm. Agricultural implement? Humble beast of burden?

I'm sure there's a touch of irony in there somewhere. So why does the Yak have a stick? :}

[eharding]

So why does the Yak have a stick? :}

So that if all else fails, you can wrench it out of the floor and use as a club to beat the brute into submission.

[FleetFlyer]

Stick.
As a former glider pilot and confessed romantic, I just feel a stick is more 'aeroplaney'.
Yokes are for those who don't like the fun side of flying (aerobatics/farm strip flying/etc) and limit themselves to the £100 cup of tea once a month rather than using their license to stretch themselves or seek adventure.

I'll just pop and get my nomex flying suit on in preparation for the Cessna drivers' retaliatory flamage.

Oh, and for touring I prefer a side stick as you get your whole lap for a chart but you still get to fly with stick and not a steering wheel.

[Blues&twos]

I prefer a stick. If my mate in the back of the Pitts gives me any grief I can pull the stick back hard, squash him into his seat AND smack him in the nuts at the same time.

[FleetFlyer]

Chortle chortle!

[Jwscud]

Blues&twos :=:D

I am relatively low time but have flown both. I feel more comfortable touring with a Yoke, and turning things upside down with a stick (though have only ever flown aeros in an aircraft with a stick).

A stick just gets in the way in a touring aircraft. I managed to fly a ~150NM leg in a yoke equipped aircraft yesterday without touching the yoke once trimmed on course (and no, the aircraft didn't have an autopilot).

[Legal Beagle]

No contest - give me a stick any time!

[Gertrude the Wombat]

I'll just pop and get my nomex flying suit on in preparation for the Cessna drivers' retaliatory flamage.
At present on my once-a-month flights I go looking for some clouds to play in. In a Cessna with a yoke. My IMCr is sufficiently new that for me that counts as "using my licence to stretch myself".

[Morrisman1]

I think it depends on the aircraft's handling characteristics. I can't imagine the alpha 160 (NZ build r200) having a yoke but the cherokee wouldnt be right with a stick.

If its an agile aircraft definetely stick but for the cruiser I much prefer yoke. When doing an A-B flight in the alpha any small movement of the stick sends you off in a different direction but with the yoke in the Archer 3 it seems to be geared a lot lower and you can be more precise in roll adjustments. The pa28 is a much more stable aircraft than the alpha so that no doubt has an influence.

When dealing with maps, flight logs, and aerodrome plates its definetely beneficial to have the extra room that a yoke provides and less chance of knocking it when you are refolding, rearranging etc.

[FirstOfficer]

Good Morning,

So far all my training hours have been on yoke aeroplanes, so naturally I prefer yoke.
However I once had a go at flying an Airbus 320 simulator and loved the experience of sidestick flying and how responsive it was and more recently I also had a go at flying a Robin 400 with a stick I enjoyed the flying experience but it did lack the space to put something on my lap shall I need it, so not very impressed about this, but then again it was the first time I guess one can always change and adapt.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Offhand, I think I've flown just about every variation - centre stick, sidestick with direct linkages, sidestick without, powered yoke, directly linked yoke. I currently have shares in an aeroplane with yoke, and an aeroplane with a side-stick, whilst I've recently been flying something with a centre stick.

Do I really care? As an absolute, no.

For precise handling in the cruise, I'd rather have a yoke - preferably nice and high to clear a big kneeboard.

For aerobatics, a centre stick, without a doubt.

I don't like Airbus style zero-feedback sidesticks, but they clearly work on an airbus, where the amount of manual flying is minimal, and on F-16s, where it's continuous - so I've clearly just not flown them enough.

For dropping in and out of little farmstrips, everything works.


I'm more than happy to assess a cockpit in it's own right, for a particular role - but I am very disinclined to make absolute statements.

G

[Justiciar]

Yokes are for those who don't like the fun side of flying (aerobatics/farm strip flying/etc) and limit themselves to the £100 cup of tea once a month rather than using their license to stretch themselves or seek adventure

A sweeping generalisation if ever there was one :sad:. I am sure that pilots of Aroncas and Taylorcrafts dropping into their short grass strips would disagree with you. And Sheila Scott and Polly Vacher flew around the world in respectively a Commanche and a Dakota,both with yokes. I seem to recall that one of our occasional posters here flies up and down Africa and the Middle East in a Maule, also a yoke.

[Pitts2112]

I'll back up Justiciar's point to say that a very well-known Taylocraft pilot in the UK has flown his machine to Africa as well as the North Cape and just about every point in between. I've never known another PPL to spread his wings as far and wide, all of it sitting behind a yoke at no more than 100mph.

[Jan Olieslagers]

For aerobatics, a centre stick, without a doubt.


Genghis, might I extrapolate this to:

"... because a stick gives the most direct and finest control. For the same reason, it appeals to beginner pilots."

?

[Wessex Boy]

I fly two Rallyes, one with a stick (stripped out tug) and one with a Yoke (tourer), in real terms I don't actually think there is much difference between them and I don't actually think about it when I swap between.

The only issue is that in order to get full 'n' free on the yoked one I have to remove the ashtray to give my knee enough clearance, so there is nowhere to put my Gaouloise in flight.....

[Genghis the Engineer]

Genghis, might I extrapolate this to:

"... because a stick gives the most direct and finest control. For the same reason, it appeals to beginner pilots."

?

Not quite I think. I'd say because a stick gives the best coarse large input control of the aeroplane.

Not necessarily finest. Nor necessarily for beginners. Mostly I think for somebody who wants to make manoeuvres that require large rapid control inputs.

(That said, I flew my first solo, 18 years ago this Saturday, in an aeroplane with a centre stick, and still am very fond of the type.)

G

[FleetFlyer]

When you were a child and you asked your elder and/or better how a pilot controls an aeroplane, were you given a rod to hold between your legs or a steering wheel to hold above them to demonstrate the effects of the controls?

I'm trolling a little here and I'm sure most of you know this, but I maintain that adventures are sought because of sticks and had in spite of yokes.


I think I have some fireproof undies somewhere still. I'll just pop and fetch them.

[FleetFlyer]

Oh, and hats off to Polly Vacher et al, I don't mean to do down her's or any other pilot's exploits with a yoke equipped aircraft.

And I love Maules.

I just feel like a yoke doesn't let me 'think' and plane around the sky like a stick does, and I get my jollies from the sense of control rather than the joy of travel that others derive from touring.

It's horses for courses and I recognise that. Its just that my horse is better than yours.

[TheChitterneFlyer]

Is this some sort of yoke?

[Jan Olieslagers]

If so, 'tis a sticky one.

[homebuilt]

Just look at all the bush aircraft out there, not a stick in sight. Even Supercubs?;)

Stick or Yoke? Well, myself I can't say what I prefer.

Or, on the opposite, yes I can say: on the big stuff I'm happy with yokes and on light aircraft such my homebuilt Jodel (shown here on the picture below) I definitly rely on stick.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv7/fpcpd/canon20ixus203211.jpg

My only problem is that having flown for 28 years I'm still unable to say if I prefer flying "heavy metal" or "paper aicraft"....:E

H.

[microlightgary]

Stick every time for me - only flown 1 type with a yoke (a C152 for my SSEA rating, and then only because nothing with a stick was available!). Frankly I didn't like it at all and I heaved a big sigh of relief when my rating was done and I switched to a Citabria for my tailwheel conversion.
Admittedly I tend to enjoy chucking my planes about (whether microlight, glider or Group A) so perhaps a yoke is ok if you don't really want to 'yank & bank'. Personally I wouldn't buy (or pay to fly in) anything with a yoke though, it just feels too much like driving a car...
While we're at it, I prefer a quadrant throttle too. Throttle in left hand, stick in right hand, the natural order of things :E (Dons tin hat for incoming...).

[Genghis the Engineer]

Stick every time for me - only flown 1 type with a yoke (a C152 for my SSEA rating, and then only because nothing with a stick was available!). Frankly I didn't like it at all and I heaved a big sigh of relief when my rating was done and I switched to a Citabria for my tailwheel conversion.
Admittedly I tend to enjoy chucking my planes about (whether microlight, glider or Group A) so perhaps a yoke is ok if you don't really want to 'yank & bank'. Personally I wouldn't buy (or pay to fly in) anything with a yoke though, it just feels too much like driving a car...
While we're at it, I prefer a quadrant throttle too. Throttle in left hand, stick in right hand, the natural order of things :E (Dons tin hat for incoming...).

Logic sequence...

(1) A Cessna 152 has a yoke

(2) Flying a Cessna 152 is boring.

(3) Therefore, all aeroplanes with yokes are boring to fly.


Not sure that quite computes.

G

[Justiciar]

I just feel like a yoke doesn't let me 'think' and plane around the sky like a stick does, and I get my jollies from the sense of control rather than the joy of travel that others derive from touring.

Now I understand what it is you meant to say in the first place :}.

I agree completely that sticks are generally more direct and responsive than yokes, but yokes are more practical for touring, unless the stick is cranked so that you can stil use a knee board. I don't think though that if I liked the aircraft because of performance, handling, economy etc I would be influenced by yoke/ stick or indeed plunger/quadrant.

[FleetFlyer]

And another thing..

On the subject of throttles, I'm totally with MicrolightGary when he says that a quadrant throttle in the left hand and a stick in the right is the proper order of things.

I'm not saying that a Cessna has a yoke, a Cessna is dull, therefore all yoke equipped aircraft are dull. Its just that a 172 IS dull. A PA28 IS dull. I realise its what you do with it that counts, its just that most of these machines are used in a dull way.

Nobody ever saw a Vectra on the road and thought 'Now I bet that guy is off to an adventure', whereas when I see a TVR on the road I think 'That guy must be passionate and therefore interesting because only a passionate person would put up with such an unreliable but fun car.'

I hope that makes sense.

[Justiciar]

quadrant throttle in the left hand and a stick in the right is the proper order of things.

Chipmunk :ok::ok::ok:

passionate person would put up with such an unreliable but fun car.'

Some might call that just stupid when you can have something both reliable and fun.:cool:

There are mad group of people who regularly drive from europe to west Africa in some sort of race, their cars being old bangers costing a few hundred pounds. Par tof the challenge is keeping thm going. Its not what you drive but how and where you drive:E

[airborne_artist]

I really love the stick in a Diamond, but since i am left handed

We flew the Bulldog (in RAF colours) left-handed - and it has a stick. Not a problem, despite being very much a right-hander myself.

It's a bit like the gas or charcoal argument for a barbeque - we all puff up our chest and say real pilots fly with a stick :E

[SkyHawk-N]

FleetFlyer said...

I'm not saying that a Cessna has a yoke, a Cessna is dull, therefore all yoke equipped aircraft are dull. Its just that a 172 IS dull. A PA28 IS dull. I realise its what you do with it that counts, its just that most of these machines are used in a dull way.

Nobody ever saw a Vectra on the road and thought 'Now I bet that guy is off to an adventure', whereas when I see a TVR on the road I think 'That guy must be passionate and therefore interesting because only a passionate person would put up with such an unreliable but fun car.'

I hope that makes sense.

No not really.

If I was to take-off in, for example, a YAK, fly at 100knots in a straight line, land at a boring airfield to eat a boring sandwich, take-off and fly directly home in a straight line at 100kts, I would probably think that a YAK was dull.

I have great fun flying my 'dull' 172 around, but then again I do so in an environment of interesting terrain and airports.

People who acuse ANY type of aeroplane of being dull are probably just dull themselves. ;)

[Genghis the Engineer]

I remember once just how boring landing a PA28 on the beach at Barra was, after a 50 mile sea crossing. I was absolutely bored silly as I tried to track straight through clouds of seawater spraying up, and hated every moment of it sitting stable on the way from there to Islay so all I could do was enjoy the unique and unparallelled view over the hebrides.

Did a similar trip a few years later in a Chipmunk with India-Mike (cheers old chap, I still owe you a trip!), that was dull too - barely enough height under a 3,000ft cloudbase to fly loops safely, and couldn't spin it that day - all we could do was fly between little Island airstrips with a few aerobatics in between. No idea why we stretched it out until just before dusk.

Come to think of it, pretty much all aeroplanes are boring - no idea why I bother.

G

[FleetFlyer]

I don't know anyone in real life who does that kind of thing in a yoke equipped aeroplane.

In fact, Ghengis, this being the internet, you may not even be real..

[Genghis the Engineer]

I am, of course, a complete figment of my imagination, as are these pictures (http://www.152group.co.uk/photogallery/northernuk/nothernuk.htm), and the allegation that both aeroplanes photographed had yokes.

G

[Flyingmac]

In fact, Ghengis, this being the internet, you may not even be real..

He's real alright. He was abducted the same time I was and I met him on the spaceship.

[FleetFlyer]

Pah! Those pictures are clearly Photoshopped. You can tell by the way the Piper is on the beach in the interesting setting. No yokel would land his plane there!

[CISTRS]

quadrant throttle in the left hand and a stick in the right is the proper order of things.

er - and a tailwheel :ok:

[mad_jock]

Parked is a bit rich though. More like abandoned for the delights of the home made soup and bread in the terminal.

What ever happened to that cub that got flipped and was pegged out in the sand dunes?

[frangatang]

After 20 years in my 747 funny how l have no probs with my RV6 and the 747 has a control wheel ...and it aint boring. The rv stick can of course disappear up your trouser leg on entry.

[microlightgary]

An interesting thread this!

I'm not saying that every yoke equipped aircraft is dull at all; I don't have enough experience of yoke flying to be that sweeping!
But - I think that stick aircraft are generally more chuckable and as such get flown in a more 'exuberant' style... that's what appeals to me and I find it more natural to fly stick in right hand, throttle in left.

Frankly I wouldn't refuse to fly in anything, but with limited funds available, I'll spend my hard earned cash on something with a stick rather than a yoke every time.

[hatzflyer]

FleetFlyer...never assume!
Next time you are behind that boring Vectra, see where it goes, it might be me en route to fly my stick controlled aerobatic taildragger with the throttle and prop controls in my left hand and the stick in my right!

[Genghis the Engineer]

Now, given a choice of a taildragger with a yoke, or a nosegear aeroplane with a stick, which would the diehards choose then?

G

[FleetFlyer]

Gah! Thats kind of question is unreasonable. I think I would go with the taildragger though, and just not look at the yoke. I could fly with my eyes closed couldn't I?

PS, Hatzflyer, I had a Vectra and it didn't have a stick or a hand throttle. I can only assume yours had been adapted for the disabled. I guess the prop control is for the seat recliner.

[Jan Olieslagers]

Well, I flew "the beast" (http://users.skynet.be/fa348739/image/skylane-ulm.jpg) last Saturday, though only briefly - 24 min's Hobbs - and of course with an instructor. The difference yoke <==> stick was less hard than I had feared, I had been well prepared on these pages... Elevator control tended to stick, making me push hard before anything moved and then when it moved it moved too much of course.

(added) The one surprise about the yoke was its small size - I had prepared for something like the car's steering wheel, but this thing might be taken from a Formula1 racer.

Much worse was the nosewheel, though! It castored freely (is that correctly worded?) with no linkage to the pedals like I always had up till now. So in the taxi it was differential braking, one gets used to that. But it was strange to have to line up VERY neat, and lift the nose as soon as ever possible, to allow for rudder authority. Well, I'll get used to it, eventually. I hope.

[BackPacker]

So in the taxi it was differential braking, one gets used to that.

True. I fly the DA40 regularly and here's the way I find it easiest to do. I simply set power to about 1400 rpm (which is the warm-up limit anyway) and leave it there. I then use rudder deflection to try and steer the aircraft aerodynamically. If it doesn't steer sufficiently with full deflection I just push the top of the (fully extended) pedal a bit harder to activate differential braking. This way I can taxi relatively smooth without my brain frying, or overuse of the brakes.

But it was strange to have to line up VERY neat, and lift the nose as soon as ever possible, to allow for rudder authority.

Who told you to get the nose up really early and was that really the explanation you got? My experience is that aerodynamic rudder authority is independent of whether you have the nosewheel on the ground or not. But lifting the nosewheel too early will lead to increased aerodynamic drag during the take-off roll (thus extending the roll) and might even get you off the ground too soon - dangerous in gusty conditions.

The only reason I could think of for doing that, arguably, would be if the friction of the nosewheel steering is set incorrectly, leading either to shimmy at higher speeds, or to a stuck nosewheel at lower speeds.

(Plus of course if you take-off from grass or bad concrete, where you lift the nose a bit to reduce pressure on the nosewheel.)

[Ultra long hauler]

Nose gear………..stick, throttle in the center…………..what do the experts say about this lay out? I just acquired it and it still needs kitting out, presently I fly with Yoke.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3820316/Screenshot%202010-12-20%20om%2015.34.45.jpg

Wonder how my instructor will get me to get used to stick……….

###Ultra Long Hauler###

[BackPacker]

Paint the panel matte white, put a beamer between your shoulders and simply display all instruments on it.

(If it's good enough for the sim guys, must be good enough for real flying too, not? ;))

[Genghis the Engineer]

long-hauler, you'll be fine with the stick, but that instrument scan is going to take some getting used to :\

G

[Sciolistes]

A few years ago I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to fly many different types during around the same period, including a Seneca, C152 texas taildragger, PA28s, Supercub, a Wassmer and a Vagabond. Except for the inital buzz of first flying a cub, neither stick nor yoke made any difference, I stopped noticing.

[Dan Winterland]

I now have more stick time than yoke time - although about 4000 of that is on Airbusses so I'm not sure that counts! But it's safe to say that in my career, the more fun and exciting aircraft have had sticks!

''Now, given a choice of a taildragger with a yoke, or a nosegear aeroplane with a stick, which would the diehards choose then?''

You could come up with lots of combinations, but from my logbook I'm comparing a Cessena 120 to a Tucano.

Stick!

[Ultra long hauler]

long-hauler, you'll be fine with the stick, but that instrument scan is going to take some getting used to :\
G

Thanks Genghis………yeah, I will need to be humble again, climb in the student seat instead of the so called PIC seat--> and enjoy my humble pie!!

Check out one of my Yoke landings in this video for those that are interested………….82mb download.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3820316/Por%20los%20cables.wmv

At 0:35s the closest point of approach with the high voltage line is rather small……….

Cheers!!

###Ultra Long Hauler###

[mad_jock]

ULH thats the perfect instrument layout for teaching for me :D

[Mr Cessna]

Yoke!! Especially on Cessnas :ok:

[FleetFlyer]

mMMmmmm. Yolk.

[patowalker]

Errr stoke?