View Full Version : Tu 154 emergency landing at Izhma (Komi)

7th Sep 2010, 12:14
Tu-154M plane was forced for blind emergency landing - because of electro and navi equipment malfunction, crew have no information about their location and fuel for only half an hour. Because of this they can't divert to Pechora, Ukhta, Vorkuta or Usinsk where there are more suitable runaway for this class. Our correspondet cites crew which named this landing "a miracle". Right after plane descended under low clouds near Izhmy, crew has noticed a bog in which it was impossible to land. After a turn the commander at first has seen an island on the river opposite to Izhmy, and only after that he has noticed the old runaway, used now as a helicopter platform.

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© Photo N.Rochev

- They said that was a miracle that they could land on this strip, with fuel remains for 10 minutes only. They walked this runaway, thanked her for rescue, - said БНКоми correspondent.

The impact was damped by the young trees which have grown since the airport was closed. Because of electric malfunction, the plane couldn't brake on the 1200 meters runaway and overrun about 150-200 meters out in the wood. None of 72 passengers of DRU516 flight hasn't received even a scratch.

The state commission will be created for the incident investigation and the plane has been sealed up by Office of Public Prosecutor till then. To rescue away the plane from Izhmy, it must be or cut in parts, or owners will decide to leave it where it is, crew members suppose.

© Komi Business News Agency (http://www.bnkomi.ru/data/news/5731/)

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© Photo EMERCOM Komi

7th Sep 2010, 12:25
Shame for you then it's not in Russian Noxegon, as I'm sure your Russian is absolutely perfect.

7th Sep 2010, 12:28
Erm, want to say that again in English?

Sorry, for autotranslation, have no time for checking it now. Will retranslate it late when return home.

7th Sep 2010, 12:36
On September 7 at 7:50 a.m. (Moscow time), a Tu-154 aircraft making the flight Polyarny - Moscow, made an emergency landing in the Komi republic. The landing was executed at the airport of village Izhma. The reason was the onboard equipment failure.

The Moscow-bound plane took off from Yakutia at 04:14 Moscow time. On board the ship there were 72 passengers, including three children and nine crew members: no one was hurt. The passengers have been housed in the building of the local district school and provided with meals.

Four hours after the start of the flight, the commander of the crew because of the onboard power system failure took an extraordinary decision to make an emergency landing in the Komi republic, at the Izhma airport designed for military aircraft. The local takeoff runway because of its small size is usually used only by helicopters, so the aircraft had to roll out 100 meters beyond it.

Airport Izhma is located 180 kilometers north of town Usinsk and is currently inoperative.

According to the source, the authorities of the Komi republic will organize during the day the transportation of passengers from Izhma to Ukhta by helicopter Mi-8. At the moment, they are trying to contact airport Mirny, where the Tu-154 aircraft belongs.

© bcmnews (http://www.newsbcm.com/doc/220)

PS It's one of 6 AK Alrosa (http://www.mapalrosa.com/index.html) Tu154 planes

Feathers McGraw
7th Sep 2010, 12:36
Actually I was perfectly able to understand what was being said, with a bit of thought.

Looks like the pax and crew were *very* lucky to walk away from that!

7th Sep 2010, 14:02
The good old metal.
This is when the 100 tons help to remain in one piece. :)

7th Sep 2010, 14:07
The TU-154, particularly the undercarriage, looks very strong!

7th Sep 2010, 14:41
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7th Sep 2010, 14:43
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(c) volodya 66

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7th Sep 2010, 14:56
A neat bit of flying it appears, and as said, the advantages of being in a brick-built *****.

I'll leave it to the 'popcorn eaters' to tear the crew apart.

7th Sep 2010, 15:34
A neat bit of flying it appears,

That's the attitude. Big decision to make, and then 10 points for execution. :ok:

PS. Kulverstukas, I also understood your first post perfectly well. :)

7th Sep 2010, 16:24
I improved it a bit :rolleyes:

7th Sep 2010, 16:27
What is the good entry point for CRGE? I'm wondering if this is really worthwhile

Please also comment about it.

7th Sep 2010, 16:41

....... and in the process of landing, created a road to get to the aircraft.

Well done to the crew.

PS. Kulverstukas, I also understood your first post perfectly well. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

As did I.

7th Sep 2010, 16:47
PROMT - Free Online Translator and dictionary - English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese (Brazilian) and Russian languages. (http://www.online-translator.com/Default.aspx?prmtlang=en)

From Aviaforum.ru - close call to 13/07/2006 UTAir 85806 incident - no DC power because of one battery inner shortage, which led to circut breakers switched by overload one after another and full discharge of all batteries.

Novoselov Evgeny — 1P
Lamakov (Lamanov) Andry — 2P
Talalaev Serge — Nav
Karimov Rafik - FE
Cabin Crew:
Dmitriev Nikolay
Dmitrieva Elena
Razumova Elena
Vyrodov Vasily
Nizamov Rifkat

7th Sep 2010, 16:48
Apologies for layman's question - from where Komi ASSR is, one can be excused to ask how were they supposed to make it to Moscow, with 30 minutes of fuel remaining?

Great to see such a perfect landing with no navaids whatsoever on a miraculously find airstrip:D

ATC Watcher
7th Sep 2010, 17:37
Kulverstukas < I understood you quite well as well >. Thanks for posting this,
A toast of Vodka for the crew and even a bigger one for Mr Tupolev for having designed teh 154 like this. The outcome would have probably been different in a modern :" save all the weight you can " aircraft.

Hotel Tango
7th Sep 2010, 18:16
I'm looking forward to the departure :cool:

7th Sep 2010, 18:37
A short video:


Neptunus Rex
7th Sep 2010, 18:43
Built like a BAC 111!

7th Sep 2010, 18:48

Polyarny (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=66.39750001,112.03500001&q=66.39750001,112.03500001&spn=0.03,0.03&t=k&hl=ru) (ikao UERP iata PYJ) to DME (Domodedovo). 3934.10 km by Google.

But I think they mean not fuel remaining, but that fuel pumps must stop in short time without power.

7th Sep 2010, 20:17
Apologies for layman's question - from where Komi ASSR is, one can be excused to ask how were they supposed to make it to Moscow, with 30 minutes of fuel remaining?

Under a total power failure they would be left with just the fuel in the center tank, which has a battery powered pump.

7th Sep 2010, 21:14
Lucky to have an over run area that flat and such continuous smooth retardation (very little to do with aircraft design). Typically it's the bumps that break the aircraft

ATC Watcher
8th Sep 2010, 05:59
Agee lomapaseo, but compare the main landing gear assembly of a Tu154 with that of a 737 or a 320 and see which one has the most chances once in soft ground.

8th Sep 2010, 06:37
I am surprised. And no loss of life. Lucky chaps.

5 APUs captain
8th Sep 2010, 08:12
Flapless landing, no stab trim, on STDBY instruments, RW just 1200 meters...
Well done, greate job!

8th Sep 2010, 11:52
A great result, showing very good piloting skills.:D

8th Sep 2010, 12:59
Runway photo. Condition is not great but for low-ACN aircraft like TU154 looks managebale.


8th Sep 2010, 15:56
Still looks in better knick than a great deal of other russian aircraft still flying!

Their owners are only the second largest diamond Co. in the world after De Beers...

8th Sep 2010, 17:24
Agee lomapaseo, but compare the main landing gear assembly of a Tu154 with that of a 737 or a 320 and see which one has the most chances once in soft ground.

In soft ground the modern landing gear is designed to shear off backwards and the a/c will then carry on on belly / engines. The BA38 crash showed this in action.(although with more wing damage than perhaps should have been - but ROD may have been higher than design for this scenario).

So the modern landing gear comes off worse, but the result for the plane & those on board should be as good.if not better, which is what counts.

8th Sep 2010, 20:15
Oddly enough this incident may have some common thread with the in-flight fire discussions on the UPS crash thread.

It would appear that this Captain, faced with a technical incident that he believed would make the aircraft unflyable in a fairly short period of time (fuel pumps stop delivering fuel to engines as I understand from another post?) took an executive decision to get it on the deck ASAP and take his chances with what might be available under the cloud....

8th Sep 2010, 21:16
With engines running, electric power presumably was present on the alternators output leads. Isn't continuous fuel supply one of very basic design requirements from survivability point of view.:confused:
With the multple-redundancy customary to design of any "vital system" on a commercial aircraft (Soviet or not), it's very hard to believe indeed that such total loss of electric power (when even fuel pumps are dead) while engines still actually running is possible on "certified hardware"..

Was this "bort" overhauled, according to owner's wishes for "modern stuff" for passengers and/or "glass" in the cocpit, by any chance? Paintjob looked spanking-new in the photo, for example, which is not that common for a commercial TU-154 these days.

Hydraulic "power" apparently was not affected, was it? Or do engines "pump" hydraulics directly in TU..

I know these questions are indeed stupid for aviation pro-s as no doubt majority of posters here are, but as they say where I happen to live currently, "miracles only happen in Efteling". And there seems to be more than one or even a couple of miracles in this story..

Sam Bee
9th Sep 2010, 09:07
I have no comment to make about this video, i'm just bemused :ooh:

YouTube - ????????? ??????? ??-154 ? ????? /????/ ????? ???????? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2h7xtzPuwE)

(For context, it's a passengers video of the planes 'evacuation')

9th Sep 2010, 11:20
Truly astonishing. :eek:

Thanks for that Sam.

9th Sep 2010, 11:51
Absolutely amazing. They seems all realy cool about the whole thing...

9th Sep 2010, 12:13
No pax bus....

9th Sep 2010, 12:15
Sam Bee, the emergency is not there anymore — the airplane is on the ground, the engines are shut down, there's no fire, no panic, nobody's hurt. The airport was not equipped with jet bridges or Dulles–style mobiles or even mobile stairs, and Tu-154 was not equipped with airstairs, so emergency slides had to be used for disembarkation. Also, there was not any kind of air train or moving walk or shuttle busses at that airport, so helicopters were used to shuttle the pax to connecting flights.

upd: well, ok, there were at least some pax busses…

9th Sep 2010, 12:15
Built like the proverbial brick ****house. None of the overhead bins popped open. Amazing. People so nonplussed as if it was just another day at the office.

Several other passenger videos linked below the longer one mentioned above.

An English language report from Russia here, including a description of what had failed:

YouTube - Russia's 'Hudson miracle'? Pilots save 81 landing plane in Taiga forest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2soba8xJFk&NR=1)

Sam Bee
9th Sep 2010, 12:22
I wasn't making any judgements or implications dvv - just thought it would be interesting, which it was, so no need to get defensive!

But correct me if i'm wrong, surely the priority once the plane got to a halt would have been to evacuate everyone immediately due to fire risk, leaking fuel...? Surely, just surely, this was taking 'casual' a bit too far.

9th Sep 2010, 12:30
Yes re that previous video, perhaps the Russian SLF are used to not always arriving at their chosen destination. They all seem to have that look of "oh well, this time we're in a forest, better than last year when it was the ice tundra..."

You can see an injury from the expression on one of the passengers faces. It's the guy walking out of the terminal gate area after they've finally arrived at their eventual destination with a pained expression as the person behind him runs their trolly into his heel (ouch!)

Congrats to the crew....good job.

9th Sep 2010, 12:38
Translating one of the comments from Youtube. "Only Russians after a plane crash will not only walk on the wing full of fuel, but also smoke and drop some cigarettes on it.. " :)

9th Sep 2010, 12:48
Par for the course for most Russians I think. With their lifestyle this was probably just a minor inconvenience. I bet the vodka was flowing afterwards though.

9th Sep 2010, 12:52
With engines running, electric power presumably was present on the alternators output leads. Isn't continuous fuel supply one of very basic design requirements from survivability point of view

It seems to me (and I don't know for sure) that there is no problem with the fuel supply on Tu154 following an electrical failure. However, all engines take fuel from a single tank and cross-feed would be impossible without electrics. So they had around 30 min of fuel at their disposal.

Pax Vobiscum
9th Sep 2010, 13:17
To quote Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154) (always dangerous, I know, but it fits with what I heard when I used to pax on them):
Like many other Soviet-built airliners, the Tu-154 has an oversized landing gear enabling it to land on unpaved runways, once common in rural areas of the Soviet Union.
So it ought to do a better job in these circumstances than an equivalent Western-built model. I don't think "unpaved runways" was meant to include areas covered with scrub and small trees, though!

9th Sep 2010, 15:18
Like many other Soviet-built airliners, the Tu-154 has an oversized landing gear enabling it to land on unpaved runways, once common in rural areas of the Soviet Union.

It's not right, firstly Tu154 newer have military version and secondly for unpaved strips in small airports there used mostly Antonov planes.

9th Sep 2010, 15:40
Like many other Soviet-built airliners, the Tu-154 has an oversized landing gear enabling it to land on unpaved runways, once common in rural areas of the Soviet Union.

It was never operated or intended to operate from unpaved rwys.

however, it was designed to use existing fragile/unreinforced rwys without causing too much damage, hence many wheels

9th Sep 2010, 16:35
Rumor from some russian blog - after instrument's power failed, crew filled glass with water and put it on the deck, used it as pitch/bank reference. :cool:

9th Sep 2010, 16:57
crew filled glass with water and put it on the deck, used it as pitch/bank reference

On ground?

Otherwise no good idea:rolleyes:

9th Sep 2010, 17:52
Some historical references on TU154 say that original design idea (before the drawing board) included ability to operate from unpaved runways, however TU154 was never operating from unpaved runways except for a couple of emergency landings and probably some test flights.
Oversized strong landing gear with extra number of wheels used to achieve low ACN (as most soviet paved runways had very low PCN) and durability for soviet less-than-perfect quality of pavement.

Unpaved runways could be different... You remember 727s used to operate from reasonable gravel and show runways. For real hardcore unpaved job USSR had Antonovs, while Tupolevs were more about bombers and mainline pax.

Teddy Robinson
10th Sep 2010, 04:53
Why the glass of water idea doesn't work in the air .. with thanks to Bob Hoover.

YouTube - Stopped engine aerobatics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE)

lazy man
10th Sep 2010, 07:00
"Well Done " to the crew....
and to the designer and builders of the TU-154:)

10th Sep 2010, 07:02
Yet another piece from Russia Today TV: YouTube - Saving the Day: Hero pilots, survivors describe jet's 'miracle' landing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzWCmyGqulQ&NR=1)

BTW: In my opinion quite reasonable piece of reporting, this one even has the crew saying a few words to the cameras.

FD (the un-real)

10th Sep 2010, 07:36
The Tu5 does have a pretty good track record of having everyone on board walk away from an accident, leaving behind a big chunk of metal with only a few nicks and dents (and on occasion some lost pride...).

MA had two such incidents. One was in PRG in the early eighties, when a blotched landing led to a very high sinkrate impact with the runway. The fuselage cracked over the main spar, but the landing gear held up, and the aircraft rolled to a stop dragging a drooped tail. Nobody was injured.

The other one was in SKG in the late nineties (the type was withdrawn from service soon after). In part due to a certain blonde distraction on the jumpseat, the crew forgot to lower the landing gear. The day was saved by a pilot of an a/c on hold for takeoff who witnessed the approach, and when he realised they are actually going to land, yelled 'go around' on the twr freq. They could not arrest the sinkrate in time, but the engines were spooled up by the time the plane contacted the runway, and it skid on the flaps and rear fuselage in a nose-up attitude for a hundred metres or so, before getting up in the air again. The crew lowered the gear and circled to make uneventful second landing. (In case anybody wonders, no, the plane could not be used again...)

Of course the price of such sturdiness is carrying an extra 20 tons of metal compared to similar sized western jets. Up till recently I was unaware of the reason, but someone with insider knowledge enlightened me. Most western aircraft design specifications call for any single component to be able to demonstrably withstand 150% of the maximum design load. Because the Russian (Soviet) metallurgic industry was unable to supply raw materials of a sufficiently reliable consistency, the old soviet design specs called for 200%. Now the Russian industry is using the same 150% specs as the rest of the world, resulting in much lighter designs.

10th Sep 2010, 08:12
It's really interesting how most of you brag about the "well done" job designers of the Tu-154 did so the aircraft, crew and the passengers could survive such landing. Sadly, no one seems to care to prevent such landings by let's say, designing the fuel system so that one could fly with engines running for more than 30 minutes - even the most basic aircraft have the possibility for the engine to run without any electrical power (excluding the latest FADEC products of course). I really think that the case shouldn't be different for aircraft which carries 100+ passengers. But I guess in old Soviet Union one could certify a square rock as an aircraft, so the cause of this accident doesn't surprise me at all.

And only a remark to the guys who embrace that weight of this aircraft prevented the worst: if weight is really everything, I believe it's time for aircraft made of lead, isn't it? Composites have much greater strength with remarkably less density than steel, so weight doesn't really equal stregth.

10th Sep 2010, 08:45
FS, I think you missed the point. The Tu5 is NOT strong because of it's weight. It is strong, because it was designed according to higher failure tolerance standards than comparable western jets. The weight penalty is the price for a stronger structure.

I don't think anybody is saying that this is inherently a good thing (not to mention the 8.5 tons/hr fuel consumption...). It simply makes some accidents more survivable in a Tu5 than in other types. Surviveability has nothing to do with the causes leading up to an accident. Both of the MA incidents I outlined above were the result of monumental screwups that should have easily been prevented with a little CRM (and remember, in both cases there were three wise guys up front, not two). However the fact that everybody walked away after both had nothing to do with the causes, and all to do with the strength of the aircraft structure.

Regardless of the direct failure causes, I'm sure in this particular Russian case it certainly helped to have an extra pair of eyes and hands in the cockpit.

10th Sep 2010, 10:28
Why the glass of water idea doesn't work in the air ..


Are you kidding?:)

10th Sep 2010, 11:03
Hetfield, did you watch the video?

I don't think Teddy was asking a question. :ok:

10th Sep 2010, 11:09

Yes I did.

And I think you are right.... now I got it:O

Super VC-10
10th Sep 2010, 11:29
Ok, leaving aside any design fault issues -

From what I can tell, this was a complete and total loss of electrics. Not a partial failure with RAT providing the basics. The loss of electrics resulted in the loss of fuel pumps, and loss of hydraulic systems operated by electric switches. That the crew managed to find a closed airfield not marked on current aviation maps and make a successful flapless emergency landing is worthy of similar praise to that heaped on Captain Sullenberger and his crew. :D

10th Sep 2010, 12:56
There were 81 people on board the Tupolev-154M, which came down in the Republic of Komi. The jet was on its way to Moscow when it apparently suffered an electrical failure, forcing the pilots to divert it to the nearest airport. Their only option was an airfield designed for much smaller craft. The crash-landing saw the plane cross the short airstrip, and roll off several hundred metres into the woods. None of the people on board were injured, and the pilots have been praised for their efforts.

Lucky Landing: Plane crashes in woods - Russia (http://www.funplacestofly.com/blog.asp?ID=289)

12th Sep 2010, 00:21
There was no evacuation ordered

14th Sep 2010, 18:48
As was suggested in the first day (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/426642-tu-154-emergency-landing-izhma-komi.html#post5920052), the case of power loss was "selfheating" of batteries caused by (or which caused) inner shortage. There is no control of batteries temp and no procedures for such malfunction.

14th Sep 2010, 19:09
Congratulations to the crew on that landing, very reassuring. For those of us who have been following the UPS crash thread, notice 4 flight deck crew on this one - I wonder how much of a difference that made in this instance?

15th Sep 2010, 14:33
The news is the owners want to swap out 2 engines and ferry it out of there.

15th Sep 2010, 14:53
The news is the owners want to swap out 2 engines and ferry it out of there

Wow.... that will be an interesting takeoff !

15th Sep 2010, 15:01
Well - they have the ready made starter extension:)

15th Sep 2010, 21:22
While I don't think they would have a chance to stay on runway if they need to cut close to V1, runway lenght is more than enough for takeoff roll of empty TU154 with min fuel onboard.

18th Sep 2010, 00:01
Tough airplane.
Tough crew.
Well done, to both the designers and the crew.

AN2 Driver
18th Sep 2010, 05:35
I reckon they will need to change 1 and 3 as they probably ingested some material during the landing. Other than that, that runway is plenty long for a departure on an empty TU.

Yea, they are extremely tough birds. I recall one to crash in Dehli, one wing torn off and on it's back and still everyone got out. I concur that probably the fact that they did not evacuate but after a brief assessment of the situation decided to keep everyone on board and sort out the escape paths probably saved a lot of folks from injury. Once they knew there was no leak and no fire, why bother with an evac. They always end up with injuries, certainly if you evac into an overgrowth of this kind.

They probably will clear the path the plane made into the forest, they will need to just to get it back onto the concrete. This should give them plenty of space in case of an abort.

From what I hear from people who've been on the TU, they consider this a very fine performance by the crew. Obviously, the fact that a battery malfunction can lead to a total electrical failure is not quite a nice design feature. One guy told me that there is a work around which is implemented in many but not all Tupolevs, where in case of a battery malfunction they can be isolated so that they will not hamper the rest of the plane's electrics. If so, then I reckon the Russian CAA might consider to make that one a compulsory modification.

Best regards
AN2 Driver

18th Sep 2010, 23:50
You can analyse and hypothesise this incident to death but at the end of the day its hats off to the crew. It took balls and confidence to do what they did, knowing that the best case scenario was worth trying for and happened to be the result.

19th Sep 2010, 15:54
Attempt (unsuccessfull) of rescue operation (http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=299970)

19th Sep 2010, 20:40
Did they hit any unforeseen problem or are those just preparation works being carried out (sorry my Russian is pretty lame :) ) ?

20th Sep 2010, 02:13
I think they need a bigger tractor

20th Sep 2010, 12:12
they are saying that the tractor couldn't get the plane to the RWY - not enough power.

The plane attracting lots tourists. People come over, take some pictures etc.
I wonder, how are they going to take off from such a short runway…

20th Sep 2010, 12:16
I think they need a bigger tractor There is always the danger that a bigger tractor will simply end up removing a piece of the equipment while the rest remains in the bog:=

They need to bring inflatable pillows to raise the a/c off the gear; then put proper sized boards underneath.

20th Sep 2010, 12:40
They need a Joe Petronika to manage the operation.

20th Sep 2010, 18:12
Almost there


21st Sep 2010, 19:43
The lady is saying that the crew landed the plane "blindly". Not to diminish the pilots skills, I think calling it landing "blindly" is bit of a stretch. And I don't really buy the "water cup" story as a replacement for AI in the IMC. Bob Hover's video clearly demonstrates that you can be upside down with the water neatly showing you in a S&L flight.

Everyone likes to believe in heroes and the media gladly spins it out and feeds it to the public.

21st Sep 2010, 20:58
© KP Syktyvkar

Serge Sotnikov, heliport director, for 12 years managed closed runaway. He with this small staff removed garbage and trees which began to grow from the gaps.

21st Sep 2010, 21:07
erge Sotnikov, heliport director, for 12 years managed closed runaway. He with this small staff removed garbage and trees which began to grow from the gaps.
Why would he do such a thing ?

Anyone with gps coordinates for this airfield ?

22nd Sep 2010, 00:59
N 65 01 46.15 E 53 58 15.44

22nd Sep 2010, 09:44
At least the water cup story is complete BS.....

22nd Sep 2010, 16:53
At the risk of starting a firefight on the thread, I wonder if the water cup story is so terrible implausible (in general I mean, not case specific).

What Bob Hoover was doing was essentially keeping a constant and steady 1G applied by effectively doing a very precise barrel roll, effectively the opposite of the "vomit comet" ride where negative G is kept applied by a prolonged bunt, BH kept positive by prolonged and constant back stick on the way around and balanced by maintaining the same roll rate. Thats why most of us would struggle to emulate the move, we would displace the water by varying the roll rate, the rate of G applied or both.

BH's demonstration therefore, IMHO, does not discount that water will move in the glass when experiencing change of forces, it just demonstrates what a perfect touch he had/has.

Whether water in the glass can be used to keep the sky the right way up or not.....well who is volunteering to go out and test it in VMC with a hood and a safety pilot....then publish the video results on here :E:E

22nd Sep 2010, 18:15
Well off thread but this needs to be said - rmac - if you really are a CPL/IR AND fly, having seen you ask a question like that I suggest you do some study of disorientation before you have an accident.:mad:

22nd Sep 2010, 18:58

Why would he do such a thing ?

Old brass

23rd Sep 2010, 01:02

Didn't say it would work, just said, for the reasons stated, that because the water didn't move in Bob Hoovers glass, didn't mean that it wouldn't move in anyone else's :p

Whether it could then be measurable is another thing, hence my (tongue in cheek) sugestion that someone give it a go with the hood and safety pilot and then put the result on youtube....and then there would be no more discussions required..

At the same time, perhaps the experiment could also include putting a cat on the glareshield ;)

bud leon
23rd Sep 2010, 01:57
apparently they are looking at flying it out

Tupolev crash, Russia | Pilots to attempt flying 'miracle' plane (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/pilots-to-attempt-flying-miracle-crash-plane-20100923-15no2.html)

23rd Sep 2010, 07:45
rmac - what concerned me was the suggestion that it MIGHT work in your post. "I wonder if... "/"Whether water....". If I misjudged you it is because of your words. You do realise that 'straight and level' is nigh impossible too, don't you? Never mind barrel rolls.

The cat, of course, does work, unless it is a Manx.:)

23rd Sep 2010, 11:20
apparently they are looking at flying it out

Yes they do. But the trouble is, that before flying it out, it must be pulled out of forest without major damage.

23rd Sep 2010, 11:30
I faintly recall a video of somebody pouring coffee or tea into a mug while transitioning through upside down in a barrel roll.

For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.

23rd Sep 2010, 12:30
Using heavy water helps.

23rd Sep 2010, 12:34
Ratherbeflying etal

I faintly recall a video of somebody pouring coffee or tea into a mug while transitioning through upside down in a barrel roll.

For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.

This would make an interesting subject in the Tech forum, but seriously divert the thread subject in Rumor & News

28th Sep 2010, 10:45
Plane now is pulled out of forest and rest on the edge of the runaway.

8th Oct 2010, 15:21
President Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree to give the Hero of Russia Stars to the pilots of theTu-154 passenger plane who managed to make an emergency landing on a deserted air field in the republic of Komi on September 7, the Kremlin press service reports.
"For their courage, heroism and for exercising their professional duties in extreme conditions pilots Adnrei Lomanov and Evgeny Novoseloiv receive the Orders of the Hero of Russia, the decree read.
By the same decree, the plane's captain Rafilk Karimov, navigator Sergei Talalayev and five stewards are to be decorated with the orders for courage.

The crew of the system failure Tupolev-154 passenger liner who made a crash landing on an airfield in Komi.
Photo: RIA Novosti

Super VC-10
8th Oct 2010, 19:19
Kulverstakas, do you have a source for that info about the awards? Russian language source would be acceptable if no English sources available. :ok:

8th Oct 2010, 19:25
In Russia, Hero of Russia Star equals invitation to presidential inauguration, which Sully Sullenberg got. Very appropriate.

8th Oct 2010, 19:29
Wasn't too hard to search for this on Google:

Pilots who made crash landing in taiga decorated as Heroes of Russia : Voice of Russia (http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/10/08/24897948.html)

More to be found using search string "Hero of Russia Stars to the pilots of Tu-154"

- GY :8

Super VC-10
8th Oct 2010, 19:32
Thanks, I was searching using pilot's names but not coming up with much. Can update the Wikipedia article now. :)

8th Oct 2010, 20:45
Executive order awarding state decorations to the crew of a Tu-154 plane for courage and heroism (http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/1101)
October 8, 2010, 15:00

Tags: state decorations

Dmitry Medvedev signed Executive Order On Awarding State Decorations to the Crew of a Tu-154 Aircraft of Mirny Aviation Division of AO ALROSA, Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).

Pilots Andrei Lamanov and Yevgeny Novoselov were awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation for their courage and heroism in an emergency situation. The other seven crew members were awarded the Order of Courage.

The passenger Tu-154 aircraft with 72 passengers and nine crew members on board was flying from Yakutia to Moscow on September 7, 2010 when its electricity supply, navigation equipment and radio communications failed at an altitude of more than 10 kilometres and so it was forced to make an emergency landing at a military airfield in Izhma, Komi Republic (Northwestern Federal District), not designed to handle large aircraft and in recent years used to serve helicopters only. No one was injured during the landing and the plane received only slight damage.

October 8, 2010, 15:00

Newsfeed on this in Yandex (http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=www.telegraf.lv%2Fnews%2Fpilotov-tu-154-sevshego-v-taige-sdelali-geroyami-rf).

© source unknown (http://ypopoff.livejournal.com/412627.html)

10th Dec 2010, 11:14
Russian technogeek forum dirty.ru decided to make present to Serge Sotnikov, airfield Izhma director.


Till 20/12/2010 they want to collect 300 000 rub or about $10 000 to buy him Yamaha VK540 II snowmobile. If anybody want to join, please use

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10th Dec 2010, 19:15
I faintly recall a video of somebody pouring coffee or tea into a mug while transitioning through upside down in a barrel roll.

For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.

For all the doubters out there try it the next time you are in the simulator :)

10th Dec 2010, 19:42

The video :
YouTube - Stopped engine aerobatics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE&feature=fvst)

8th Mar 2011, 16:04



8th Mar 2011, 16:12
Any chance of an explanation here? (Yes, I know they are removing an engine... that I don't need that explaining). Why are they doing this?

8th Mar 2011, 17:15
To attach a new engine then perform takeoff

8th Mar 2011, 17:24
Ah, so by inference then the original engine(s) were damaged in the "landing"? Wasn't aware of that, but makes sense.

8th Mar 2011, 17:25
Not long until one of our CAA bods turns up to recce:\:\ Then the report:ugh:

8th Mar 2011, 18:44
Is the airframe really worth all that trouble ?

I mean it will still be a relatively risky takeoff and there will be quite some further repair / control work to be carried out - I don't know what is the running price of a "decent" TU-154 but not convinced all these efforts are really cost effective.

9th Mar 2011, 07:01
Maybe they took advice from Qantas

24th Mar 2011, 10:10
And the plane left Izhma today!

?????? - ??-154? ??????? ? ???????? ???????? (http://www.bnkomi.ru/data/news/7645/)

24th Mar 2011, 10:27
And didn't need skis!

Good Siberian hard-packed snow to extend runway length?

24th Mar 2011, 13:32
As atakacs said, difficult to imagine it was worth all the bother.

Russia, and former Russian states seem to have dozens of these things languishing at most airports, in various states of repair.

I am surprised it wasn't cheaper/easier to pick up a "new" one somewhere :rolleyes:

24th Mar 2011, 15:19
As atakacs said, difficult to imagine it was worth all the bother.

Maybe not to the beancounters. But considering the pilots received "Heroes of Russia"-medals from the president personally, it seems somebody thought it worthwile to celebrate the "Russian Hudson landing" this way.

24th Mar 2011, 17:45
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24th Mar 2011, 23:06
their parent co is the second largest diamond co in the world. This is just pocket change for them.

Veteran test pilot Ruben Esoyan behind the wheel


ATC Watcher
25th Mar 2011, 15:14
Good Siberian hard-packed snow to extend runway length?
No need at all, it only used less than 800m as one can see on the video.(fuel only for a 100 NM journey , no pax.)
Good job, and the low pass afterwards to say thank you to the guys, style.

Good aircraft , good pilots, good for the morale of the guys on the ground that worked hard for this and the mechanics that did the repair job.

A very good management and PR move I'd say. I'll fly this airline above another one if I had the choice.

25th Mar 2011, 15:53
I wouldn't fly on any Tu 154 even if it was the last flight home on Cristmas Eve

25th Mar 2011, 16:21
Unfair Smudge, unfair.

As of January 2011, since 1970 there have been 110 serious incidents involving the Tu-154, and 69 hull losses in total, 39 of which involved fatalities. Six of those incidents resulted from terrorist or military action (two other war-time hull losses were non fatal) including an accidental missile shoot-down by Ukraine, several from poor runway conditions in winter (including one in which airplane struck snow plows on the runway), cargo overloading by airlines in the lapse of post-Soviet federal safety standards (several cases), and mid-air collisions due to faulty air traffic control or mis-communication. Other incidents have resulted from mechanical problems (two cases prior to 2001), running out of fuel on unscheduled extended route, pilot errors (including training flights for new crews), and cargo fires. On January 2, 2011, Russia's Federal Transport Oversight Agency advised airlines to stop using remaining examples of the Tu-154 (B variant) until the fatal fire incident in Surgut had been investigated. The Tu-154 is described as having an average (or better than expected) safety record considering its length of service and heavy use in demanding conditions. Wiki.

26th Mar 2011, 07:56
Smudger, I am buying the second round in the departure lounge when we see what is parked outside :ok:

It will be a long evening away from home :{

26th Mar 2011, 17:35
I anticipated some flak but.... mine's a Guinness.. Happy Christmas ha ha... still never gonna fly on one

ATC Watcher
26th Mar 2011, 18:54
Smudger, just for your education : all aircraft are fine normally (*) , it is the way you operate them that make them dangerous.
A good old 40 years old 707 operated by the US coast Guard will far, far safer than a 10 years old 737 operated by a RDC (ex-Zaire) airline.

Tu154 are very well buit and quite safe aircraft, take my word for it,
and Russian Pilots are better trained than most other countries .

Therfore I maintain that , seen what this airline and its pilots have done (before and after the incident), I'd fly with them anytime.

(*) from memory only 2 bad aircraft design, the Mu2 ( wing/ailerons ) and the very early 747s (rear bulkheads ).
Also Tu154 wont flip on their back if you land them on one main landing gear ( re MD11s)

26th Mar 2011, 19:16
only 2 bad aircraft designs ... and the very early 747s, rear bulkheads.

Eh? The only 747 aft bulkhead problem I know of was a botched repair by a Boeing Team - Japan. Can't think of any others.

PS. With you 100% on the Tu154s. Grand machine. :ok:

ATC Watcher
26th Mar 2011, 21:03
747 rear bulkheads >: marginal I grant you that, nevertheless a big issue at the time :