Jetstar cadet program

[51gardner]

There hasn't been much talk about the NZ Jetstar cadet program, just the Australian version through Oxford... Has anyone gone through the in NZ with CTC?

And for that matter, has anyone made it through and been accepted by CTC?

Cheers
:)

[27/09]

Why anyone would want to do either programme beats me.

It's a form of modern day slavery, where you pay a lot of money to get a job only to be bonded for 6 years along with a salary sacrifice which means your take home pay is very poor. At the end of the bond period there is no guarantee of futher employment with them plus your level of experience may not be sufficient to get a job elsewhere. You will have a serious lack of pilot in command time.

[51gardner]

Great, thanks for that useful response - doesn't really answer my question though does it. Anyone?

[dustyprops]

Gotta agree with 27/09. You'd be bloody mad to spend money on that sh!t.

You can give the money to me if you want to throw it away.

[narct]

I got aceepted into the program, all I can say is thank god I saw the light and ran for the hills before it was too late! :=

[pipkin]

Im wondering why you ran for the hills?

[Col. Flagg]

Narct didn't get into the program! Thats why someone would write they ran for the hills upon obtaining a position within a course like this.

I look forward to the response, should be another round of rubbish

[Lindstrim]

Personally havent gone through it but know of 6-8 that have tried and know of only 1 of that lot that has gotten through.

[Col. Flagg]

Lindstrim,
I am the same as you, I knew of 10 that tried and only 1 got an offer to start the course.

[27/09]

Col Flagg

The nine were the lucky ones.

[Stallone]

how much does the program cost in AUD?

and what licenses you get at the end of it

[BlackPrince77]

$87,105 AUD for the Ab-Initio part 18 months in Melbourne
+
$84,895 AUD for the ACP (Advanced Cadet Programme) in Hong Kong for 3 months




What you get is:

Commercial Licence + MECIR + ATPL subjects+Includes Multi Crew Training + Jet Conversion Training + A320 endorsement + Jetstar In-Flight Line Training

[Stallone]

that's much cheaper than the AUD$142,500 that Jetstar Asia is offering for Singaporean candidates in Ab Initio programme

licenses are the same too, with type-rating..

[BlackPrince77]

Well the AUS goverment can cover approx. $85k using FEE-HELP and Jetstar pays $21k themselves, the other $60k you pay back over the 6 years your with them (but don't forgot you gotta pay the $85k that FEE-HELP payed for too eventually)

[Stallone]

link to JSA's program
Cost and Funding (http://www.jetstar.com/sg/en/pilot-cadet-program/who-is-oxford/costs-and-funding.aspx)

are u saying that the AUD142,500 won't be fully paid by the cadet?

cos information is limited n JSA didn't reveal much about the financing when i went for the interview..

[BlackPrince77]

Okay I found out a little more total cost is $124k, government funding through FEE-help pays approx. $86k, so there is $38k remaining for you to pay. Now i don't know about Jetstar Asia, but for the Australian one you have to pay $14k up front before you start studying and then pay roughly $24k over the 18 months of the course.

[Stallone]

oh my, at 19years of age, i guess you'll have to get family help with that kinda money right?

[lofty_dreams]

Wow, 2/3 of the course is funded by the government. Not bad, really.

No chance of that happening in the lion city. Here, its Pay And Pay your way to the right seat.

[27/09]

Wow, 2/3 of the course is funded by the government. Not bad, really.

I think the govt lends you 2/3 but you still have to pay it back. Is there interest on this amount as well?

$172,000 AUD is a very expensive way to get What you get is:

Commercial Licence + MECIR + ATPL subjects+Includes Multi Crew Training + Jet Conversion Training + A320 endorsement + Jetstar In-Flight Line Training

The fact that you are even paying for your line training is a very sad reflection on this whole programme. Any airline worth it's salt would not be charging for this.

Unfortunately programmes like this get their legs manily due to the fact that 19 year olds don't know what is or isn't a good deal in this industry. Black Prince, I'm not having a go at you when I say this, as I'm presuming you are new to the industry and your family has no aviation connections, therefore it's not possible for you to know all the ins and outs.

If I were you I would have a read of some of the threads on here about other cadet schemes and how they have gone sour for many cadets.

Also I would also look at what happens to your career at the end of the six year bond. Will you still have a job? What if Jetstar decides to replace you with a new cadet where will you go? What P in C experience will you have? When will you be able to gain an ATPL to progress to the left hand seat?

I'm sorry for the seemly negative post, BUT, I hold grave fears about where these schemes lead both for qualified pilots and aspiring pilots. Remember there is no shortage of qualified pilots to fill the pilot seats at Jetstar. Jetstar are using this as a way to drive down pilot costs, which is another way of saying reducing pilot wages and conditions.

[BlackPrince77]

Thanks for putting it as nicely as you could 27/09, I still haven't committed to the programme yet, but I am asking questions and will definitely consider what you have said while deciding whether to accept offer. :)

[Stallone]

do keep us updated on your situation.. Thanks

[27/09]

Black Prince

Thank you for taking my post in the way is was meant.

Good luck with your research. Unfortunately many in your position don't know what they don't know.

Many pilots will see the cadet as the bad guy. It is my opinion that the promoters of these types of cadet schemes are the bad guys as they prey on the lack of industry knowledge of many aspiring cadets.

Mostly it's what they don't tell you that really matters. For example as I alluded to in my last post. When will you be able to gain an ATPL?

You probably know this anyway but an ATPL is required to captain a multi crew aircraft. In order to get an ATPL you will need a minimum number of hours experience in various categories, one of which is Pilot in Command (P in C) time. The P in C hours gained during your traning will not be sufficient to met the requirements of the ATPL, how will you get those required hours? There are other questions like this that are not readily apparent.

Be aware also that there will be those in the industry who will see cadets from these schemes as undermining their terms and conditions and therefore may not be very accepting of said cadets.

Once again good luck

[DougieBader]

I just signed up to see if anyone can help me. I have testing with OAA for the ACP coming up and have heard that it's very difficult. Could anyone PM me some details about the testing and interview. It's going to cost me a bit of money to get there and back so I would like to be as ready as possible.

Has anyone who applied for the ACP actually got through and started training because I haven't came across any success stories yet? Are they just milking us for our application fees!?

Thanks

[AdventureIsOutThere]

Congrats BlackPrince77 on making it through, are you going to accept the offer?

27/09

The FEE-Help government loan doesn't have interest but it does go up with inflation, and you don't pay it back until your income goes over a certain threshold where they'll take between 4% to 8% of your annual income.

I saw part of the contract Jetstar are offering and it said it'll be a New Zealand contract where the first 3 years are fixed on a x amount, then the next 3 on x amount where you'll be given a minimum of 150 hours per quarter though realistically expect ~80 hours per month. Although it is a New Zealand contract it is highly likely however that you will be given the opportunity to take an Australian Base on a Leave Without Pay arrangement once you've been Checked to Line. It also said Jetstar has provision within OM1 to allow for ICUS to gain the required hours to achieve your ATPL.

Is this a fair deal?
I considered applying but I wanted to know what I would be getting myself into as I don't know much about the aviation industry and am trying to weigh up my options as what's the best path to take.