plzzzzzz help me out

[race never ends]

hiiiiiii
i hav cleared my twelfth with maths and physics.i want to do my training from canada.my plans is to do cpl me,ir and instructor rating from toronto airways but im really worried about my job after my training would anyone suggest me the right way................

[+TSRA]

Read the 10,000 other posts to get an idea...everyone is worried about job prospects in aviation and every other industry.

If you have a good work ethic, are willing to work almost anywhere in the country for little or no money and do not go around thinking you are king sh*t with a CPL M/IFR then you will get a job no problem - seriously though, if you havent even started your training your future job is the last thing you should be worrying about - just focus on keeping her straight and level, altitude, heading and speed control for now. The rest will come later.

Also - if you think your first job is going to come in the Toronto area, then youre already looking down the wrong lines. Unless you begin instructing, you will end up in Pickle Lake or Churchill, Yellowknife or elsewhere for your first job.

[PosClimb]

If you have a good work ethic, are willing to work almost anywhere in the country for little or no money and do not go around thinking you are king sh*t with a CPL M/IFR then you will get a job no problem

I'd buy that line if the industry is in a hiring/expansion mode.

But the industry is going into a prolonged downturn. Hiring will be very, very minimal due to little to no movement.

This means jobs for newbies will be very scarce for a long-time to come.

It's really important that you finish in a industry 'hiring cycle'. The original poster should consider holding off on his training a few years; he'll have a better chance of finishing in the right "window".

[Sulako]

If you want to seek your first job in Canada, you basically have 2 choices: You can head north 'into the bush' or you can instruct.

Lots of bush jobs for low-timers are pretty seasonal ie. floats, with hiring starting in the spring and a few hundred hours flown during the summer months. You will get valuable experience, and likely advance to heavier equipment at a faster rate than an instructing job.

Instructing gets you long hours and low pay, but you'll at least get PIC time, which is useful while you are chasing your Airline Transport License. With instructing, you might even wind up working in an area with paved roads and cable tv.

As a low-timer, you will be competing for jobs with hundreds of other fresh pilots, who all put "solid work ethic, dependable, reliable, and safe" on their resumes, so you will want to stand out. Phone calls are more effective than just spamming resumes, and in-person visits are more effective than phone calls. Just make sure you understand the distinction between 'cheerfully energetic job-hunting' and 'stalking' - if you get a "no", then say you'll check back in a few months and move on to the next airport. There's a Canadian publication called Wings magazine that publishes a list of charter operators each year (in spring, I think), and it's a great starting point.

So once you decide which niche you want to start in, how do you actually get the job? Well...

In Canada, there is a long and glorious tradition of the "road trip". You buy a cheap, reliable car, pack your clothing, laptop and a pair of work gloves, and drive to every small airport from coast to coast, shaking hands and telling anyone who will listen that you can start working today. Bring bug spray and trail mix, and dress for the job you are applying for - if you are at a small charter operator in the middle of nowhere, a work jacket and jeans will likely get you further through the door than epaulets and a tie - the opposite applies if you are aiming for an instructing job in a large city.

While you are driving and networking, make sure you are nice to everyone you meet - in Canada it's a pretty small community, and if you spend time here you'll be amazed at how often the same faces come up again and again. As a low-timer, all you really have to offer is your positive attitude, so keep in mind that's what you are selling.

I chose the 'bush' route for my first job, and I got my first job because the Ops Manager went to the same flying school I did, and decided to give me an interview. I showed up ready to work that day, and I started working that day. Most of my jobs have been because the hiring person had been given a good reference by someone else, and that's because I worked really hard at making friends/contacts when I was starting out. ie "Vacuum your plane for you? I sure will, and I'll do the windshields when I'm done vacuuming. Here's some hot coffee I made when I heard you call 15 minutes out, Captain." or the ever-popular "Of course you are welcome to the last beer in the cooler!"

I fly corporate now, but I follow the same basic rule of thumb: Hire for attitude, train for experience. Flying a plane isn't that hard, but getting along with people under difficult circumstances can be. Good luck!

[What Limits]

I would advise anyone just starting out to put a hold on their dreams, for now and train as a plumber or electrician. Earn and save some money then pursue their dream a little later in life. Then when aviation is in the toilet next time (its inevitable) then they will always have something to fall back on.

[Zombywoof]

i hav cleared my twelfth with maths and physics.i want to do my training from canada.my plans is to do cpl me,ir and instructor rating from toronto airways but im really worried about my job after my training would anyone suggest me the right wayI see you didn't do so well in English.

[Jumbo744]

Best advices ever! :D:D:D

[yycflyguy]

Zoomby,

How many languages do you speak? You are aware that Canada is built of immigrants and without their contributions Canada's economy would collapse. Without immigration we would have a negative population growth and none of the multi-culture colour you see today. Your comment was offside.

[Zombywoof]

Nonsense. This is a kid posting in a forum like it's Twit-ter. It has nothing to do with immigration, the post was deliberately written in that style. All kids write like that these days. They think deliberately ignoring capitalization, punctuation, grammar, spelling, sentence structure etc is cool.

[Pilot DAR]

Sulako gets my vote for one of the most useful, and accurate posts I have ever seen on PPRuNe! Well done! Everyone else.... Listen up!

I see two opposing comments about the use of English, and both have merit. Though perhaps challenging for race never ends, do realize that on PPRuNe your ONLY means of presenting yourself as worthy of consideration, is your demonstration of precision and accuracy, which you will have to do by writing well. Those people who might consider you for employment in the future, will look for those qualities in you, to judge if you will apply them in everything you do, including your flying, and customer satisfaction. Don't set off on the wrong foot with them, because of careless writing, or use of English.

[yycflyguy]

Nonsense. This is a kid posting in a forum like it's Twit-ter. It has nothing to do with immigration, the post was deliberately written in that style. All kids write like that these days. They think deliberately ignoring capitalization, punctuation, grammar, spelling, sentence structure etc is cool.

So in answer to my question you would be capable of 1 language?

Q. What are you called if you can speak 3 language?
A. Tri-lingual

Q. What are you called if you can speak 2 languages?
A. Bi-lingual

Q. What are you called if you can only speak 1 language?
A. Anglo

[7Two7Driver]

yycguy this isn't avcanada, so don't be a hypocrite and play the race card when you have just played a shot against Anglo-Saxons. :rolleyes:

[xbleedstart]

Dear Race Never Ends,

I don't often get involved with post on PPRuNe, but I will give you my 2 cents worth.
I started my flying career in Canada on a Navajo when everyone told me I was crazy to get into this career.
20000 hours later with over 12 years PIC on a 747-400 and a few years PIC on the 777 I would tell anyone to just follow your dreams.
As for your use of the English language.....Well, you be the judge! You can only be as good as you want to be!
Best of luck with your flying career!

xbleedstart

[yycflyguy]

Awww, did I offend an Anglo who can't see that someone else was being unfairly criticized for improper English?

If so, here is my disclaimer;

**The above joke was not intended to offend any English speakers, any relatives of English speakers or anyone improving their English. It was meant to illustrate that the most intolerant are generally those who are uni-linguistically challenged, once again, no offence to those who are, or choose to be, uni-linguistically challenged**

How about a non gender specific, non sexual man-hug so we can move on?

:ok:

[Johnny767]

Aren't you in the wrong Province?

[acchaladka]

Now sir that really was offside. I'm an anglo from Montreal, I speak 5 languages (don't worry, all badly ...and I'm working on my sixth language) including the language of 25% of Canada which I sometimes work and sometimes socialise in, and I think anglo fossils with chips on their shoulders can hurry up and move along to the States for all I care. You could have a party with Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin and stay there.

I have consistently heard the most sanctimonious BS from Canadians who think they're above better than you and me because they're from outside QC or because they're from the West...I really don't care how old you are or how smart you are at one or two skills, I don't want you in charge of anything to do with Canada anymore. E-nough. Really. Grow up and get used to living in a modern country.

[acchaladka]

I actually agree with Zoombywolf, that earlier "g8 2 c u!" post was intentional 10-year old text speak and not the mark of a mind actually interested in using English properly. I don't that was unnecessarily / overly pedantic to point it out!

And Sulako gave some great advice, let's go back to that discussion.:D

[wheel lock]

hiiiiiii
i hav cleared my twelfth with maths and physics.i want to do my training from canada.my plans is to do cpl me,ir and instructor rating from toronto airways but im really worried about my job after my training would anyone suggest me the right way................

Am I missing something here?? The original poster said (grammar aside) that he wanted to do his training from "toronto airways", I'm not sure what that means but it seems clear that the question was about training and then working afterwards. It's not even clear if this person has the right to work in Canada. How did this turn into a Anglo/Franco race rant??
Good luck "race never ends" it can be a tough road sometimes but don't let anyone tell you it can't be done! There are a few positive, informative posts here, take from them what you want and give it your best shot!

[prince292]

Dear Race
12th with maths and physics , I guess you are from India its just a guess and didnt mean to offend anyone here,anyways good luck on your future endeavors Canada is very friendly country and a nice place to get your training done but just keep in mind if you are not a citizen or a resident then you might be needing a work permit to work here ,first a company should get you a positive labour market opinion from service Canada with which you can apply for a work permit ,believe me its not easy for a low timer to get a work permit .....so just do a little bit of research on that before you jump in......

cheers
;)