Watch supervisor NATS

[argan]

Hi everyone!
I am spanish atco, and I am interested in knowing details about carrer developement in UK. Details about becoming watch supervisor , unit supervisor...?


Changes are going so fast, we need information asap.

Thanks

[Hootin an a roarin]

Details about becoming watch supervisor , unit supervisor...?

You just need to pretend to be one of the guys but stitch them up to management behind their back. You will then be fast tracked and protected. :}

[Conspiracy Theories]

hola argan

segun lo entiendo yo, creo que por lo menos, haber sido valido en los uno de los sectores en la sala de control para ser uno de esos "misters" o WS.

no estoy muy seguro pero es lo que veo en NATS que todos ellos eran controladores en algun tiempo u otro y sobretodo, como ya han respondido, tienes que tener la habilidad de decir una cosa y despues actuar otra....

espero que esto ayude

[5milesbaby]

You also need to be a controller first of all so you can make friends with all those that you subsequently stitch up, or maybe not in certain circumstances, hence why you get the promotion for being an ar$ehOl€.

Not a position desired by many.......

[fisbangwollop]

You also need to be a major mover in the union.......then you can be a poacher turned gamekeeper.....:cool::cool::cool:

[Cuddles]

Get the turd polishing practice in now.

[chevvron]

Your Spanish ATCO Licence is unlikely to be recognised by NATS or the UK CAA. In any case there will be a 'waiting list' of people wanting to take on supervisory responsibility so you would have to work at whatever unit you're sent to for a long time before becoming a supervisor.

[Talkdownman]

....unless you are quite adept at failing now and again. It has been known for nats to reward failure on the odd occasion with promotion....

[argan]

Thank u guys.

Actually my question makes sense in order to determine if a supervisor is a career open competition ( no interview, just promoted on professional merits, or a supervisor becomes just a "big manager´s" decision).

Our profession must be respected by all stakeholders, and our experience ( not only managers interests and rewards) must be the starting point of operational daily basis.

All stakeholders should work together (considering different interests) to build a safe, efficient an flexible single sky.

[argan]

so...

Is a supervisor a career open competition ?, or a supervisor becomes just a "big manager´s" decision?.

[BigDaddyBoxMeal]

....unless you are quite adept at failing now and again. It has been known for nats to reward failure on the odd occasion with promotion....

:ok: One could be forgiven for thinking rewarding failure is policy.

[Minesthechevy]

QUOTE :Actually my question makes sense in order to determine if a supervisor is a career open competition ( no interview, just promoted on professional merits, or a supervisor becomes just a "big manager´s" decision).

Our profession must be respected by all stakeholders, and our experience ( not only managers interests and rewards) must be the starting point of operational daily basis.

All stakeholders should work together (considering different interests) to build a safe, efficient an flexible single sky.UNQUOTE

You should apply in any case, you have obviously swallowed the Management Book of Essential Vocabulary without choking on it. My only tip would be to start your application with the word 'So...':E

[argan]

"You should apply in any case, you have obviously swallowed the Management Book of Essential Vocabulary without choking on it"
:8

I ll never do that, at least while "cost cutting" seems to be the ONLY goal ( and personal rewards) of actual air traffic management.

[Standard Noise]

Your Spanish ATCO Licence is unlikely to be recognised by NATS or the UK CAA.
Did I miss something, or is the new European licence in my locker not useful anywhere except the Westcountry? Or have the Spanish decided not to adopt these new licences?

Argan - don't suppose you work at Palma do you? I could do you a swap, Mrs Noise would like that.

[argan]

Fortunately I am not in Palma, nice place but I guess my colleagues are having really tough times. Actually I am not happy in spain either ( 6 days off in july), I don t know when I am having hollidays, I don´t know if I will have to work in my day off, I don t when I wlll see my daughter, headaches, cervical contractures....

Anyway, I like UK but I prefer another country to move in. Always liked southamerica, any country hiring now? I don t care about salaries, just a good place to live.

[rumouroid]

Actually I am not happy in spain either ( 6 days off in july), I don t know when I am having hollidays, I don´t know if I will have to work in my day off, I don t when I wlll see my daughter, headaches, cervical contractures. I'd be happy with 6 days off for 340000 euro a year :ok:

[argan]

rumouroid,

I guess my wife wish I got that money, not me, I just want to enjoy life. I am sorry for her, my salary is much lower. :{

If you only want money, better try to become a big manager, ( 2 million pounds is good for u?).:ok:

What about air traffic controllers proffesion?

What are the legal implications ( rights and responabilities ) of our licenses?

Do we have to asume the personal responsability of working in not good aeronautical medical conditions if managers and companies push too hard in order to achieve objectives ?

What about what our license implies?

It s not a matter of money, it s our proffesion ( we love it, do we? ) and our rights and responsabilities with our license.

[OurSoul]

Not all Supervisers are tw@ts There are some good guys in positions too.

However,they do say sh!te floats!!

[LostThePicture]

You can come and be Blue Watch (AC) watch supervisor at London if you like. Apparently they're setting the bar pretty low... :E