Jetstar Interview

[bigchief]

I have my Jetstar phone interview this week. Does anyone know what their looking for/asking in a 10 min interview?
Any help would be greatly appreciated

[denobillythekid]

i have no idea, but do keep me update because i have also applied in new zealand for the jetstar cadet programme.

regards

[27/09]

Why would you want to sign up for the Jetstar cadetship. It's modern day version of the Indian indentureship. Tread very carefully.

[built4flying83]

thats a good enough reason...... lol the training will be quite ridiculous for a lowtime pilot to absorb though.

[newcomer]

Phone interview for cadet program or direct entry? PM if its the direct entry

[clinty83]

Morning all

Hey has anyone been through the physc test part of the cadetship yet, the other thread has been closed because of all the little girls bitching and moaning about it

Thanks in advance

C83

[ARNTU]

Do you have an ATPL?....yes
are you willing to salary sacrifice $80K for an endo?...yes


Congrats,
youre in!

[27/09]

clinty, big chief, denobilly, et al

Take a look here and see what the likes of OAA ,CTC and european LCC's have done to the cadets in Europe. This Jetstar cadet scam is the start of the same c**p in this part of the world.

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/399371-more-easyjet-pilot-slavery-deals-oxford-aviation-academy.html

You have to ask yourself the question "Why is Jetstar promoting this scam?"

It's not that they cannot find pilots to employ, there is no shortage of pilots. They want to create a pool of cheap labour.

This cadetship is not the way to start your aviation career.

[Jonathan108]

Big Chief,

I have also been offered a phone interview.

I was told by Jetstar to expect firstly a review of my hours, Total, Multi Command, Turbine and Night. I guess to check I have the minimum requirements. Followed by a review of employment history. I expect that this could include not only the factual historical questions like "After this where did you work?" but also questions like, "Why did you take this job?", "Why did you leave this job?", "What did you like or dislike about this job?"

I was then told that the interviewer would tell me about the recruitment to employment process

First hand information from friends who have successfully navigated the process indicate the phone interview is a relaxed interview but they do tend to ask one or more formal questions like, Why do you want to work for Jetstar and (forgive me because I cant remember exactly how it was described to me) but a behavioural type question to do with working with and communicating with different people like we do on a daily basis-Flight Deck, Ops, Terminal/Ramp, Ground Handling, Engineering, Cabin Crew Etc you get the idea.

As has been posted already it is a serious part of the process and is the first chance for you to prove you will fit in, so my advice is be prepared.

Hope this helps

[mich79]

Hi All,

I have been selected for a Jetstar Interview in NZ later in the month. I applied for the Advanced Cadet Program. Has anybody been through this interview and can provide any pointers? What was the aptitude and numeracy testing like and group exercises? What is the best way to prepare for it? Can anybody recommend any books or online programs or anything to help prepare?

I'd be very grateful for any tips/hints and feed back.

Thanks v much.

[27/09]

Mich79

A couple of tips.......

You might care to look at here

http://www.pprune.org/interviews-jobs-sponsorship/418118-jetstar-interview.html

and here

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/419038-jetstar-cadetship-again.html

Good luck but be very very careful. The aviation world is not as portrayed by Jetstar, OAA and CTC.

[Blackbird14]

Has anyone received a call offering them a position in the ab-intio course or advanced cadetship?

SR71

[Alexander2g]

Hi Mich.

It is a pretty standard aptitude test. Practice on working out practical mathematical questions fast in a way that suits you. Most of the maths questions involve a scenario eg. Two planes fly from point A to point B at different speeds, they use this much fuel, what will be their difference in weight etc.

If you get through to the team exercises just be yourself, use judgement to be a pro-active member at the right times and know how to show your leadership potential.

As a successful applicant of the cadet-ship I can tell you that I did not prepare for the process and just applied my skills in the best way I could. I am not some sort of academic genius(they usually dont make good pilots ;)) I simply gave it everything I had and showed that I wanted it the most.

[Blackbird14]

Alexander2g,

Did you gain entry into the advanced or ab initio program?

SR71

[breakfastburrito]

Think very carefully. Jetstar pilot EBA dead (http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting-points/420516-jetstar-pilot-eba-dead.html). There is unlikely going to be any promotion in j* Australia. A period of time in Asia is in your future, followed by ever reducing terms & conditions to get back to Oz. Don't shoot the messenger.

[Alexander2g]

Ab-Intro Blackbird.

@Burrito, good thing I like asian food :ok:

[phoenix999]

Basic Maths, Tech knowledge, hand eye coordination, personality profiling..leadership potential, group work through the interview stage.......relatively basic stuff guys. get some books on phsycometric testing but to be fair it's about a million times easier than the Q cadetship interviews. forget cubes and shapes like the old boys did....and that was when they were able to cut the little cubes out of paper and make them up! not so easy now, you'd have to turn the computer screen upside down and then fold it 6 times!

dont be a hero in the group work. they want to see you can work as an efective "cog" in the team but step up to be the main "cog" when needed. If you try to railroad the exercise you'll be out quicker than a thread regarding the J cadetship!

my question is this....how and when do you get off the junior FO wage and onto the normal FO wage...I dont want to be paying off 150K on 50K a year with 7 kids!

[breakfastburrito]

my question is this....how and when do you get off the junior FO wage and onto the normal FO wage...I dont want to be paying off 150K on 50K a year with 7 kids!
I will step through the appropriate legislation to show you how you will be a Junior FO (JFO)- all references will be from: CAR 1988, Vol 2 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/C983DD7F59C1C3BACA2577370005F196?OpenDocument).

Firstly, Upon completion of your CPL training you will have approximately 200 hours Aeronautical experience (of which approximately 100 will be command time). To become an "FO" as opposed to a "Junior FO" you are required to hold an ATPL.

To gain your ATPL you need 1500 hours aeronautical experience including 250 hour command time in addition to completing the required theory study. See CAR 5.172
When you operate as a line FO, you log Co-Pilot time. However, for the calculation of Aeronautical Experience, each hour flown as a Co-Pilot is halved, ie 50%.

Aeronautical experience: calculation of flight time
...
(8) Each period of flight time flown by a person as a pilot, but not
flown:
(a) as pilot in command; or
(b) as pilot acting in command under supervision; or
(c) in dual flying;
must be halved in calculating the person’s flight time for the
purposes of regulation 5.172.


It is totally at the behest of the operator as to the ability to log "In Command Under Supervision" (ICUS)

...
the operator of the aircraft permits the person to fly the aircraft as pilot acting in command under supervision; and

So, basically, there are three obstacles to gaining an ATPL. Firstly the 50% "discount" on Co-Pilot time. The second is the ability to gain the additional 150 command time (all of which may be ICUS). Thirdly, you need to complete the theory & exams. Are ATPL subjects included in the course?

If the operator doesn't permit you to log ICUS time, you will need to operate approximately 2600 stick hours in the aircraft to gain the required ATPL aeronautical experience. Further, you will need to go out and do the additional 150 command time on your own (think C152 private flying).

The operator in all likelihood will permit logging of ICUS time in special circumstances, ie with nominated check or line Captain's to allow you to gain your additional 150 hours command time. Remember, this is totally at the discretion of the operator & their policies in the Operations Manual.
The operator has a vested financial interest in minimising the amount of ICUS time you are authorised to log.

So therefore, most crew would fly somewhere between 700 & 900 stick hours per year, the required 2600 hours will take between 3 & 4 years with no ICUS logging.

If the operator you were permits you to log every sector you flew as Pilot flying(PF) you as ICUS, you will average approximately 75% credit for your hours (100% ICUS for PF, & 50% as PNF - Pilot Not Flying), this would require around 1730 hours in the aircraft.
This is of course dependant upon the operators policy regarding ICUS time.
This process can be shortened by doing private flying outside of work, giving you 100% credit for your hours, although this will get expensive.

So, in a nutshell, depending upon the operators ICUS policy & the amount of flying you actually achieve, you will be a JFO for somewhere between 2 & 4 years after completion of your line training.

[fatalbert1]

Has anyone from the ACP course who have been told they were successful received an email with any additional information yet?

[OZvandriver]

I personally have nothing against these cadetships. Having said that Im very happy flying in my present job and will not be applying to Jetstar or the like anytime soon.

Aviation is not like it used to be and a few people have a hard time accepting this. I think if you took all your energy that you spend whinging about Jetstar and put it into your own flying career you would be a lot less bitter.

Now I've got some flying to do...seeya!

[OZvandriver]

hey breakfastburrito: I know that you're only trying to warn others of what you think is not a very good idea but I don't understand this culture of whinging that has developed recently. (or maybe its always been around?)

People are constantly bashing these cadetship schemes - I hate to break it to you but they're not going anywhere! No matter how much you complain about it they are here to stay.

I would rather spend my time concentrating on my own career rather than trying to tell people how crap theirs is. Im not saying that you have bad intentions but people who apply for cadetships will not be put off by what you say, no matter how hard you try.

[breakfastburrito]

Ozvandriver, thank for the concern about my career, I've achieved most things everyone would want out of aviation, widebody time with 7500++ hours/3000++ landings in an RPT jet on a good contract. So no cadet's don't present a threat to my career. I have sufficient experience to take the best contracts on offer. I also have qualifications & industry experience in an unrelated field. The end of the day I have the runs on the board. Do you still think I am whinging?
I am attempting to provide the real life view of how this business works. I attempted to answer a direct question factually. Do you think I achieved that?

You are right, some people, despite all the warnings & evidence will dive into the shallow end, smoke, take drugs, gamble, drive too fast & engage in all sorts of other reckless behaviours.

Weather to undertake this cadetship is likely to be the single most important financial decision that cadets face in their lifetime. Facts are, similar schemes in Europe have threatened bankruptcy on cadets & their families. I'm sure people would want as much information as possible before signing on the line. The reckless will do it regardless of the consequences & be dammed- they always have. These people will never be swayed by logic or argument, not much anyone can do about that.

However, there are a significant majority that gather the information, calculate & play the odds when they are in their favour, this is the audience I am addressing. THIS PARTICULAR cadet scheme to me, as an industry insider skews the odds way too far away from the cadet. I struggle to find any job outside of the military that requires a 6 year bond to an employer for training, perhaps someone could name another example for me.

Cadetships are not the only way into aviation. I would consider the military to a far superior choice over this scheme, given the return of service is almost identical. It would appear that j* have completely abandoned seniority for promotion, it is now merit based. Therefore date of joining is almost irrelevant. Conceivably someone could step out of the military and into the left hand seat of a j* A330 & bypassing all cadets.

This cadet scheme has all the hallmarks of the GA system, just the thing people seem to try and avoid. j* had it genesis out of Impulse, a GA operator, & many would argue it still is.

Unfortunately, globally aviation is a severely stressed industry, there are enormous pressures on managers to cut costs. Aviation is not what it used to be. If you still want to be a part of this industry, fine, but be aware that it not the underworked/overpaid perception that exists to those on the outside.

Challenge me on the factual arguments I present. My motivations are to try to share knowledge that can't be gleaned from the glossy brochure. As I have stressed in the past I have nothing against cadet, GA or military pilots.

OzVandriver, one thing I did notice having a casual glace through your previous posts is that you seem to proffer plenty of advice to others about what to do & what to avoid, yet you criticise me for doing the same thing. A bit hypocritical don't you think?

[Alexander2g]

You're actually right.

You have convinced me and I am rejecting my offer into this cadetship.

[OZvandriver]

breakfastburrito, thank you for letting us all know how many hours you have. Congratulations.

Again, I am not doubting your good intentions, like you I also have the interests of others at heart when I warn others of something. The difference is I only warn people to stay away from something that I have personally experienced first-hand.

But then again maybe you are absolutely correct and in a couple of years we will see bankrupt Jr FOs at J* as a result of this scheme. For now though, this scheme is not going anywhere and the fact that these are gaining such momentum all over the world should tell you something.

[ahparsy]

This might be a good idea for those who have just departed school and have age on their side, it could be possible to earn an 'average' wage by the time you are 24 and have a respectable amount of autopilot experience, but for those with a few more years or those who want a life, not a good idea at all.

[Nikai]

Does anyone have any information about how the Advanced Cadet process is going following the interviews that have been held so far? How often interviews will be held etc?

I know a few people that have had interviews but no one that has been successful so far. I know lots of people are anti- the whole concept, but given the option of juggling multiple GA and non-flying jobs for almost minimum wage, vs a single job where they actually get to fly regularly - even if it has a long bond - I can see why people are applying.

1000hrs & 200 multi & IFR experience means nothing anymore, you work towards this and then struggle for another couple of years to get a turbo-prop FO job, and then if lucky make captain a few years later, and then if you feel like you'd like to progress to a jet, you need to get out the cheque book for a pre-paid type rating as required by companies like PB or Jet Connect, or sit on a 'yes' letter for years with a flag-carrier, none of these schemes are everything they are cracked up to be, but the alternatives aren't that much rosier in some places!

[Reading5]

Probably help if you knew some one there.

[pilot_chicky]

hey have just been through stage 2, didnt get through. A couple of guys I know that did stage 4 are still waiting to hear (been approx 4 weeks).

[Col. Flagg]

I was just wondering what you meant by Stage 4?

[Col. Flagg]

What is going on with the Jetstar process now? Does anyone have any idea?

[j3pipercub]

27/09 and brekky burrito,

They only see what they want to see.

[27/09]

j3pipercub

They only see what they want to see.

Quite true. They must be blind lemmings.

[overhere]

Doing a bit of research for an ex student of mine who has no net access at the moment & has an upcoming ACP interview with CTC in Hamilton.

He was wondering what's involved in the testing, interview, sim etc?

If anyone who has been for an interview can PM me some details that would be helpful.

And I know, I know I should be telling him not to do it etc etc but each to their own.....

[unBeaterble]

27/09 :=

The cadetship is an excellent opportunity for young aspiring pilots!!!

Regardless of your arguements, the training is done through on of the, if not the most reputable and well regarded flight schools in the world (OAA). They are well funded, resourced, experienced and established. All training is done to a high standard that incorporate airline standard operating procedures (SOPs) into the training. :ok:

A few theory subjects are done through Swinburne University of Technology, a university that has modern facilities and has well established Aviation programs.

Upon successful completion of training, cadets do a A320 type rating that admittedly is more expensive than it could be. Then into a $58,831 a year job (more than most pilots who graduate from flight school and have to go out bush to get enough hours for airlines to take them seriously, try $35699-$42000 for many years). This goes up to $89,980 after 2 years once the pilot has their ATPL.

Plus, they are guaranteed a job as a pilot for 6 years in the airline. Job security in aviation alone is priceless!!!

I win!!!! :D

[rolothedodo]

I know that this thread is long dead, but, how much does the acp cadetship cost? Also I've done MCC in the uk as part of my jaa licence and am getting a conversion to casa, would I have to do MCC again part of the training for e cadet ship? Plus could I pay for the course upfront if I have the money, and if so would my salary go up from 58k a year to a higher amount? (as I'm basing that 58k is salary sacrificed from the loan from jetstar to pay for the type rating?