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Flyl_ex
10th Jun 2010, 22:03
The use of Rnav navigation is very useful to make our own waypoints, fly direct to these and even use them to create

non official "magenta lines" with our fmc.This allows us during an approach to skip part of the pubblished route in our charts
in case for example we want to expedite or we want to avoid some CB'S.Everything as far as it is approved by ATC.
Any way this can be done also using classic IFR equipment with distances and radials.But even if we are using both ways
,even if we are equipped with big Navigation displays which satisfy our self in situational awarness, hom much is safe to proceed via non standard tracks
without following the full approach procedure expecially in airports located in Africa, where there is no Radar coverage and ATC
have no clue where we are? Is this still included in the basic IFR fliying for which we have been trained during our CPL?
If yes, what about if are in a G class airspace, in airports without ATC assistance. Are we free to proceed by our own discretion
following unexisting downwind tracks, just having a small spot in our ND as reference or proceeding directly to FAP with more than 90 deg
of interception and rolling inbound with rough turns in heading select mode?

galaxy flyer
10th Jun 2010, 22:51
Be careful inventing routes--their is terrain out there and only the black lines on the charts have terrain accounted for. As to IAPs, you must begin an Instrument Approach Procedure at a charted Initial Approach Fix (IAF), no short cuts allowed. No, you cannot create "non-existing" routes on the ND and fly where you like.

GF

Flyl_ex
11th Jun 2010, 01:02
Yes but what about if you are authorized from ATC, let's say you are giving them a heading or proceeding to a fix point created with radial and distance from Vor, is it possible I guess as far as you keep MSA.By the way when we are avoiding weather we request deviation heading to ATC and most of the times they approve that.

kenparry
11th Jun 2010, 14:45
You can do whatever the bloody hell you like if a) you're visual by day and maintaining terrain clearance, and b) have either a clearance or traffic information from atc. Simple.

Well, not sure which bit of Earth you are on, but in UK it's not necessarily that simple. For example, ATC can give you a "clearance" that you cannot legally accept because it conflicts with one or more of the requirements of Rule 5.

galaxy flyer
11th Jun 2010, 17:32
Sorry, my post was assuming non-radar, procedural separation, so you have to, for the most part, follow the charted tracks. If under ATC radar, if approved, any route that provides terrain clearance and traffic separation is fine.