Volare Pilots Have Licence Suspended

[Jive Bunny]

Three Volare Airlines pilots have hed their licences suspended by Civile Avia, two of them for flying in excess of 1000 hours in a 12 month period and a third for a duty period in excess of 22 hours. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

[Nattracks]

At least they had a fat paycheck when they ended up out of work.

[Stratocaster]

Suspended for how long ? 3 days ? :)

What does the Italian CAA do to make sure it won't happen again ? It wouldn't be fair if only the pilots had to pay for their mistake and not the operator... who probably pushed them in the back to exceed duty times !
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[Freddie]

I really wonder how they could fly more than 1000h while all other pilots flew about 800h or less.

[See bee]

So the doubts & fears that we have all harboured are finally being made public. Me thinks it is a management out to bend all rules in the name of profit. The amazing thing for most of us is that the pilots are accepting this management pressure.
Just remember guys & girls,your management have already demonstrated that they are above & beyond the law of the land!!! but you & I are not, as per the original post.
Well done Jive Bunny, keep the info coming so that innocent people do not have to suffer!!!! <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

[ShotOne]

A wake up call for any pilot being pressured to break the duty hours rules. Busting a limit is busting a limit whether it's landing minima or flying duty period.

If you do it then YOU have broken the law, not crewing/rostering/management and it's YOU who will be prosecuted.

[Captain's Log]

Very true Shotone, but unfortunately unlike yourself I assume, those of us here are paid by the hour and as Trackone so rightly points out no hours means a pitence of a wage that month, and as the powers that be have control of your hours then anything that puts you in bad books with them will mean minimum hours for several months.
Don't rock the boat and you will do well!!
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[Stratocaster]

Management doesn't even need to put the pressure on the crews anymore. With hundreds of pilots on the market and especially those from eastern Europe and beyond (who accept a fraction of your salary), lots of pilots feel they're constantly on an ejection seat... to the sole benefit of you-know-who.
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Those who try to resist or do not understand quickly enough will eventually get a wake-up call from management saying "hey, you know, I receive 10 resumes a day from people ready to take your job in 6 hours for 2000$ less".

And the worst part is: it will never change ! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
It was already like that in the 30's in the airmail business. What can we do about it ? Stay away from the stupid bean-counters and pass the information to everydoby ? Might not be the answer to our problems (especially in difficult times like now), but it's a rather good start and it's better than nothing.

I didn't know so far what was going on at Volare, but now that I know, count on me to stay away from it for some time.
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[GEENY]

Why should one keep the seniority if one resigns to join another airline?
Stratocaster,one needs EU nationality(or the right to abode/work) to work for Volare or any other EU airline,me thinks.Was your name tarjet before?

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[Stratocaster]

Well, I wish some day somebody will make a list of all those guys from Australia, New-Zealand, Canada, USA, Yougoslavia, etc. who fly with EU carriers. Not to kick their ass, but just to know how many they are (and reach enlightenment). And not so long ago, some of them didn't have the licence (but a validation based on their own national licence) or even a work permit for the country where they flew. Who you know is usually more useful than what you know. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Who's Tarjet ? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
What makes you think I could be him/her ? <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[tarjet fixated]

Funny someone still remembers my old posts and funny someone else found out i wasn't totally wrong...and i can surely help making that list.
By the way i want to wish my AEI and VLE friends all the best.

[christian_MD80]

Dear collegues!

Get organized, stay with the rules and don`t f_ck each other! But only if you don`t want to go below minimas - inflight an inlife.

Chris

[bugs bunny]

The coolest guys, G104 primadonnas and G222 trukdrivers, think that going below minimums is exciting, and they may relieve some of their sexual frustrations...
Sad they run the "flying club"....

[Jive Bunny]

Geeny what an @ss you are, people are only reseigning from Air Europe to go to Volare because that is what the Volare management require of the weak willed. Those who are left are not quite so weak and are not for reseigning so you know what you can do with your contratto unico.

[GEENY]

So,the "weak willed" got management positions(VLE B767 fleet mngr and trng and safety).It pays to be "weak willed"!
And they bypassed all existing VLE B767 rated pilots.Happy now,Jive B.?

[See bee]

Gentlemen & fellow gladiators,
This profession has always been a "dog eat dog" society, especially in our level of operation.
It is obvious that some people will see the possibility of bettering their lot and gaining promotion as has been the case within the AEL/Volare debacle.
Unfortunately, in the case of AEL somebody left the kennel doors open!!!!
Woof Woof hahahaha howwwwwwwwwwl!
:) :) :) :)

[Justin Abeaver]

Volare fly quite a few of their aircraft on the Irish register.

So, is it on an IAA AOC, or what?

Whose licences do the crews hold?

Are they on IAA Duty Hours?

So many questions, but which Irishman do we congratulate for the wonderfully registered A320, reg "EI-CUM" !

Registered in the afternoon, I suspect, after a good lunch down by the Liffey, and having a bit of a laugh at the Italians expense! Well done! We all smile whenever we see it.

:)

[tarjet fixated]

AEI/VLE are on an italian AOC,italian duty times,italian and JAA licences for the crews.

[freedom]

May be is time to stop hiding behind prune

[GEENY]

freedom,you start

[See bee]

Maybe by answering the question I asked some weeks ago,i.e. how is it possible that so few votes managed to secure the passage of the 5 year contract! How many of the Volare pilots were on leave at the time the vote was taken!

[Freddie]

Very simple, only ANVA pilots voted. So 39 out of 64 ANVA pilots accepted the contract. Other pilots were not asked.

(I am not in ANVA)

[GEENY]

Freddie,
if you were in ANVA you could have voted(AGAINST I suppose)!

[crab]

Maybe Volare should have used the Irish register as I seem to remember Ryanair were given an extension to 1100 hrs. per annum by the Irish authorities.Is thi safe?

[Freddie]

Yes you are right Geeny, but I had the hope that all pilots would have been asked, you learn every day. I was just about to join UP, but I think nobody asked them.

[See bee]

Freddie,
39 pilots voted yes.How many pilots are in Volare Airlines in total, & what percentage of the total pilot workforce would the yes vote represent I wonder?

[Freddie]

As far as I know we are about 150 pilots, so 39 yes are about 26%, not bad!!

[See bee]

Freddie,
So with 29 yes votes out of 150 pilots the vote is carried.Only 64 union members out of over 150 pilots.
Is the culture within Volare Airlines such that pilots were afraid to join a union & help shape their future? Or is there just a large measure of indifference within the company?

[Freddie]

I can only speak for me, but I find it not very usefull to join ANVA because they do everything the company wants, and ANVA leaders get everything they want.
In the company I worked before employment representativs spoke for all pilots not just for those in the union, but as I said, you learn every day.
One thing I already learned: military people do what they get told!

[GEENY]

And what about the latest court ruling ?