DLR

[ladybird380]

Hiya,

I have been invited to take DLR test in Hamburg for Turkish Airlines which is in 2 weeks time. I have done a little search about it and I am pretty worried. It almost sounds like they are selecting astronauts!

Anyway, my question is that if I should wait to prepare for the test since there are some ways to study for it or I should go for it. Although it is designed to measure the ability, I think one can still learn to get better at it.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

LB

[what next]

Hello!

Anyway, my question is that if I should wait to prepare for the test since there are some ways to study for it or I should go for it.

Wait and prepare! For any vacant posotion, a certain number of applicants are invited to the tests, which means, that the applicants compete against each other, not against a passing mark (as for example in your ATPL exams). Only the two or three best applicants out of ten in each test will pass. And you can be sure that nine out of ten candidates will come well prepared. Without specific preparation, you stand zero chances of passing, even if you are a Nobel-price candidate otherwise.

Good luck!

[ladybird380]

Thanks what next, I will wait:ok:
LB

[Manilo72]

For which position have you been called by Turkish?

tks :ok:

[ladybird380]

FO. Although, in my previous searches I had never been told that Turkish had such a difficult test to employ its direct pilots. Well, it is a good thing I guess.

LB

[Manilo72]

Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index (http://www.pilotenboard.de/) may be here if you are a little bit patient in traslating you may find ot something interesting.

How did you apply to Turkish?

:ok:

[ladybird380]

I did apply by using all possible ways for many times...After a year and a half I got the phone call...You need to be a Turkish citizen and need to prove your English level. I think they pay for the TR and you need to make a contract for many years.

So, I will be studying like mad for few months from now on.....:eek:

Thanks
LB

[Manilo72]

I hope the link will be useful for your selection process.

All the best :ok:

[ladybird380]

Hello,

I have been waiting for Turkish to give me the test date, but I have a question for those who have experienced the DLR in Hamburg especially for those who had a full /part time job during the preparation....

Can the preparation be done whilst working or is it better to take few months off just for studying?

I purchased the skytest and I am totally gob smacked:\

Ps: I am aware that everybody has different learning techniques/ circumstances..I am just after some tips/ advise from the people who experienced the process..
PS: Any candidates took these tests for Turkish Airlines, please share your experiences.

Thanks
LB

[Jabr]

I am applying for a 'rotor wing pilot' job. and i have been practicing big time:ugh:.
the only problem am facing is this :mad: visual memory thingy. it's killing me.
can you please share techniques and ways to do well in this one:confused:. prolly all ova tests:E.
Also if anyone have an idea or heard anything about the percentage needed to pass DLR test content. you know sharing is caring:D.

My Qs. Might sound stupid:} bit this job means a lot.

thanks in advance:ok:

[Captain McFly]

Hi there,
I did that DLR-stuff in 2006, passed, and flying now for one of those Lufthansa-Companies.
In fact, nobody is competeting agains other applicants.
Everybody is trying to defeat mean values, collected in dozens of years with ten-thousands of applicants. One just needs to be avarage or slightly above avarage.
Initially the tests look frightening, but in the end, it's not too bad - always keep in mind, all others are as frightened as you...
A good source of information is the German Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index (http://www.pilotenboard.de)
You might try to use a translation programme.
Some tests can be trained with those official DLR training software. A good commercial training software is SkyTest - Preparation Software for: DLR Test (Lufthansa, LH Italia, Austrian Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Royal Jordanian, SunExpress, DFS), Swiss, Cargolux, FEAST (Eurocontrol), Austro Control, Skyguide (http://www.skytest.de/sprache_en.html)
It costs some EUR 50,-.
However, that piece of software contains many older tests, which are not used anymore at the DLR; therefore please check out that Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index (http://www.pilotenboard.de) to see which tests are indeed being conducted at the moment.
Good luck,
McFly

[Captain McFly]

Hi Jabr,
which visual memory test? There are several (old, retired ones and some tests which indeed are being conducted)...
Noboby really knows the pass marks; they're kept secret.
There's only on one test some reliable information by the DLR which leaked into the internet. It's concerning the RMS-Test (Running Memory Span), where numbers are being continously read to you and suddenly you have to key in as many numbers from your memory as possible in reverse order. I think, that's a very, very bad one... :ugh:
So, just for example, see here (german):
http://www.psych.uni-goettingen.de/congress/dgps2004/abstracts/show_all.html?abstract_id=1224
They say, the mean value is !only! 3.8 correct digits, while the standard deviation is 0.67. Maybe mean value + standard deviation (4.5) is already more than enough!
So, don't let them drive you mad - that's all they wanna see... :eek:
And don't trust people who claim to enter in this test e.g. 8 digits - it's bullsh...
I had avarages of just 5.2 - 5.6 correct digits and I've been told, that it was pretty good.
Another example: Mental arithmetics.
I've heard from several others who have entered just two or three solutions at all - without knowing if these have been correct; and they all passed.
So, there's the assumption, that this tests is only there to put you under heavy stress for the next tests, since only very, very few individuals are good in mental arithmetics.
Conclusion: In the end, you even don't know if a certain tests indeed checks the abilities which it claims to check. Some tests might serve a completely other purpose than might might look like on the first impression.
So, my simple advise is just:
Don't let them drive you mad, that's most important, because that's what they wanna see primarily.
Do as well as you can. Be prepared as well as you can.
Be as honest as you can (very, very important!).
Don't listen to what others say. Nobody knows the real pass marks. At lot of people are showing off with tuned results in the preparations or they're unhonest to themselves and even in the test, e.g. when entering columns of 10 digits in the RMS (which might kill you, as I *believe*)...
You will be fine.
Simple as that.
All the best & good luck!
McFly

[Captain McFly]

Just one more thing...
Yes, the DLR is !indeed! selecting even astronauts for the European Space Agency (ESA) and partly NASA.
It is an very old and worldwide renowned *scientific* institution, founded in 1907.
I stress it's "scientific" to underline that all these tests have not been the idea of some mad personons during tea time - they're all very carefully tested for significance against tenthousands of persons. So, what I wanna say: They don't fool you for no pupose, they're not kidding you, etc.
Be honest (!), you never know, what's the real pupose, you don't wanna be caught lying, be prepared, BE CALM, YOU WILL BE FINE.
They know very, very well, we're all ONLY HUMANS, making errors all the time - and all tests are in the end so difficult, NO HUMAN can solve them completely.
They're complaisant, they DON'T WANT to kick you out. You'll get a very fair chance.
This test is NOT MISSION IMPOSSIBLE; in the end, even I made it...
It's not too bad, it's OK.
Finally, all the best to you.
McFly

[Raven1972]

I don't know whether to be relieved now or more stressed :}
I'm up for interview with a company at the end of August and if I pass then on to Hamburg for the DLR test....Have to say the download prep software seriously freaked me...especially the Mental arithmetic involving getting square roots of 4 digit numbers ...made me think they're looking for "Rainman" ..I knew a kid when I was young who could do that but hell...I wouldn't want to be sitting in a passenger seat behind him!!;)
The MEK-Visual_Memory test is a B**ch and when I did it first got about 5%...help..:yuk:

[Tuborglite]

Raven, good news: the mental arithmetic is not part of the actual test. bad news: the visual memory test is......

[McMax]

Raven, just learn square numbers up to 30 and cubic numbers upt to 10....
If you know these values by heart it will help a lot...

[Raven1972]

Having worked on them for a while now they seem to be getting easier...I have the mental arithmetic sussed..I think...thanks to the tips and tricks on wikipedia Mental calculation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_calculation) ... but have to say, I'm still finding the Visual memory and cube rotation very difficult to get my head round...though I suppose they'll improve with practice as well.
Does anyone know what the expected/average pass marks are?
What was that Tuborglite (https://www.pprune.org/members/279991-tuborglite) about the mental arithmetic not being part of the test?? I'm disappointed now after all that work!!:}

[Tuborglite]

Just like i said, the mental arithmetic subject that you have on your cbt is not part of the actual dlr test.

[Raven1972]

I hear there is also a more "conventional" psychometric test as well...??

[debs]

Hi there all,

Im non German speaking (so tips such as those given atPilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index (http://www.pilotenboard.de/) not much use for me)

I am hoping to be shortly invited to maybe a few comps. who will request the english version of the dlr. However, dlr does not give you a password to practice if you have not already been invited to do the test by a company.

Questions:

Regarding the Sky test, is it worth it making the investment?
I have read many of the tests might be outdated.

Opinions also about dlr dlr-test dlrtest pilotentest einstellungstest lufthansatest fluglotse flugbegleiter dlr dlr-test dlrtest pilotentest einstellungstraining für piloten fluglotsen und flugbegleiter DLR-Test (http://www.attc.de)
They seem to be expensive, but knowledgeable? up to date tests?

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everybody

[Tuborglite]

Raven, its the 9 psych tests plus a personality test with questions like: have you ever had negative thoughts about immigrants? if you pass this part, you will have an interview with dlr psychologists and a captain or hr person from the company. here they will try to push a few buttons and see how you react, maybe they use your answers from the personality test, who knows. Be prepared for evereything from easy q`s about your life and training to accusing you of different things.
Final tip! Read up on, and get some knowledge about the history of the country you are going to work in!!!!!

Break a leg.

Debs, if the company plans on inviting you for interview and hopefully the following dlr test, they will give you access to the cbt well before the actual test, probably at least a month. Because the companies know of the high failure rate and doesnt want to pay for tickets and hotel for people who havent been training on the cbt. Have not tried the skytest thing so no comment.

[Efe Cem Elci]

I took the DLR for Turkish on June 25th along with a group of mostly 'ab initio' applicants and a few ATPL holders. The only difference was that the ATPL guys had to take an additional 30 minute aviation related test. Turkish opts for the one day exam as opposed to Lufthansa who requires a multiple day exam or so we hear.

Our schedule was as such:
English
Concentration
break
Math
Spatial orientation
break
Running memory span
Character evaluation survey
lunch
Perceptual speed
Physics
break
Cube Rotation
Visual Memory
break
MIC

I bought SkyTest beforehand and also used the CBTs provided by the DLR center so any questions you might have I can answer for the next two days before I leave for bootcamp.

[Tarzanboy]

The CBT contains the following:
ENS-English
KRN-Mental Arithmetic
MEK-Visual Memory
OWT-Perceptual Speed
RAG-Mathematics
RMS-Running Memory Span
ROT-Cube Rotation
SKT-Concentration
TVT-Physics
VLR-Spatial Orientation

Is all of this being tested on the DLR TEST for LH italy???
Thanks!

[INNflight]

In case you did bother to read the posting above yours (I assume not), all subjects are being tested.

[Tarzanboy]

Any UK citizens who got hired by LH italy?

Thanks

[Raven1972]

I've talked to a few of the guys who've done the Tests and it appears not to be as bad as I first thought...
I wouldn't pay to do mock tests with another company as you will get all the necessary sample tests to enable you to prepare once you get selected by an airline.
Why would you want to prepare for the tests unless required by a prospective employer?

[Raven1972]

Thanks Tuborglite (http://www.pprune.org/members/279991-tuborglite). Some very useful info. In for my 1st interview tomorrow so hopefully will be off to DLR at the end of September :ok:...

[oneflightcrew]

Hello everybody,

Can someone tell me if the real VMC test is made of the same shapes as the new test we had to download a couple of weeks ago?

If it's the same shapes it makes the test a bit easier. I get around 81-83% for the moment, but that score doesn't seem to go up much unfortunatly http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif

Thanx

OFC

[blusky75]

Hi guys,

I got an invitation for the selection process in SUnExpress for November..it will be 5 days of tests.. 2 days for company interview and sim and 3 for the DLR...
Any info about the SUNEXPRESS DLR??? I did it for LH italia and i didn t pass it..I m even surprised that they called me coz i know it is possible to do it just once....anyway...I dunno if to attend to it or not..I am working in a Company in europe with very nice people ...the salary is not like sun express but at least I am in europe...any suggestion??

Cheers

[White_Eagle]

Hi blusky75,

concerning the SunExpress DLR I know that they originally only did the DLR GU (1 day), simulator screening and an interview with two DLR psychologists on another day.

Rumours amongst SunExpress pilots tell that they now switch to the full DLR process like LH Italia does it.
But that wouldn't mean 5 days of testing? :rolleyes:

You can do the DLR process numerous times, but only once with one airline.

Hope that helps, Cheers!

[Raven1972]

Hi Guys,
just to let you get some feedback..
I sat the DLR a week ago and failed as did a number of other testee's Not sure really where it went wrong to be honest as I thought I did a reasonably good test :ugh:
The tests are pretty much the same as the samples given by DLR the only difference was that we got an aviation test instead of a physics one with a bank of ATPL question... departure and weather etc
Then there were 2 Profiling questionnaire's 1 for your personality and the second for CRM. the CRM was a bit crap really but there you go...the CRM one was split with the second part being about "what would you do when programming the FMC?, if the captain wants to deviate from established procedures?...does automation make your life easier?" etc etc
Math was tougher than the sample with an emphasis on factorising and other questions like calculating the area of a semicircle with 2 smaller semicircles cut out of it...etc
can't say much more than that....the English test was quite tough as well though I'm a native speaker and reckon I should have passed that ok...

The schedule was exactly the same as posted above by Efe Cem Elci
Hope you guys have better luck than I did...I'll let you know more when I receive feedback from DLR....:sad:

[Niceflight]

Hi Raven1972,

Thank you for your feedback about DLR test. What was the company for which you applied? Turkish Airlines, LHI...
Regards

[AngelLPPT]

Hey guys!

I also got an invitation for the DLR test for LH-Italia...
I know that the first test is the DLR that takes all the day.
Do we have the answer at the end or we have to wait some days?
And if we have the answer after the test and that it's OK, do we have to stay in Hamburg or we will be called by LHi some days after?

Thank's !

Hope to see all pilots there in a flightdeck!

[SW1]

You will receive your results 7-10 days after you sit the DLR so you can go home afterwards and wait to receive your results.

[ladybird380]

Hi Debs,

Skytest is the best investment you can make. Of course with dedication and lots of practise, no reason you should fail. For ab-initio guys, physics might be a bit of an issue because it's more about good understanding of the principles but you won't find it in skytest. You really need to revise your high school physic books if you are not already familiar with it.

Having said practise would do anything better, visual memory part is really something beyond skytest or anything else you find in the market. I cannot advise enough to do more work on this than any other part of the test. I haven't managed to find out what exactly improves visual memory myself but it was really hard to focus and try to memorize all the symbols in a short time and remember the first symbol you saw....

Best wishes,
LB

[Raven1972]

HI Guys,
Just to follow up on my recent posts...
I talked with the Psychologist in DLR and it seems that I passed all the tests except for the MIC (Monitoring and Instrument Coordination).
My conclusion to this is that you should buy the Skytest if it does indeed contain training software for the MIC. It seems strange to me that DLR provide samples for all other tests except the MIC given that their philosophy is to allow to to practice until you reach a plateau of your ability whereby your skills are then properly verified. Given that I never had a chance to fly the MIC before and given that if you fly it like an aircraft you will fail it doesn't seem to me to be a proper gauge of you abilities. Rather its like playing a video game for the first time and not succeeding (unsurprising).
It certainly may be good for someone without Aviation training. An 18 yr old straight out of school who hasn't been trained to specifically fly a certain way and not over-control......
So, I guess spend the money on the Skytest and don't HOPE that you will master the MIC first time round in a high pressure environment....:ugh:

[Raven1972]

It was with Luxair

[Paparoach]

Hi Guys,


I have been invited for the DLR test at LH Italia (February 2011)... Did anyone already go to Hamburg for this selection? If so, any tips would be welcome.

I tried a DLR sample at a friend's house who got invited for LH main company, it looked like a crazy test!

Anyway, in the meantime, I'll practise on the DLR CBT LH Italia gave me access to!


Thanks for your help!

[Raven1972]

Yeah, It seems crazy at first but persevere and you will find it gets much easier. You won't believe how good you will get after a week or two training on it.. :ok:

[INNflight]

For anyone going, BUY SKYTEST and practise with it!

Estimated pass rates at LH Mainline are 7-10 (!!!) percent, probably even lower taking all factors into account.

Chances are you'll NOT be within these 7 if you have not seen and practised some of the tests before.

[Captain McFly]

I agree with INNflight, that training is the key.
So I did: I got Skytest and did it again, again and again with that software and the official DLR-CBTs. I repeated all the tests until I got sick of it - several weeks in a row.
90%, it's just getting used to it by repetition again, AGAIN AND AGAIN.
The pass rate for ready entries is, however, higher (something around 50% for the first step, the GU) than mentioned by INNflight.
I seriously advise you: Don't underestimate the test, it's nasty stuff, do that stuff until you're completely sick of it! You WILL be fine. Neglect it, you'll fail.
Training is the key, I can't say it often enough... you definitely don't need to be superhuman, but you need to be well trained...
Good luck!

[Paparoach]

Hi guys,


Thank you for these very appreciated feedbacks and tips! ;-)

[wingsfly]

Hi guys.I have a question about DLR test for SunExpress Airlines.Does anyone know what is the passing criteas for SunExpress on percentage for DLR on each test?I m equiped with CBTs but I dont know which of them are for SunExpress? I looked somewhere but I couldnt get sufficient information.I will be very glad if someone help me.
Best regards...

[Captain McFly]

Hi Wingsfly,
unfortunately I don't have a clue, which tests will be conducted during the SunExpress application process. However, I suppose, it should be very similar to Lufthansa. I think someone has already posted before, which tests have been conducted, when he/she was there.
About the pass marks:
They're kept secret, no one knows them.
But one thing is definitely sure: you just have to be avarage or slightly above avarage. But you can't afford more than one test being less than avarage - maybe even not one below avarage.
So, if you're well trained, if you simply can't achieve better results by even more training and you're still experiencing difficulties in a test, most probably everyone else does. And if everyone else is in troubles with a certain test, the avarage to be achieved will be fairly low.
See: I know guys and gals who entered in the mental arithmetics just one or two results at all; even without knowing if these results were correct: And guess what?! They passed.
The same seems to be true for that brutal VMC-Test (1-back, 2-back, 3-back, etc.): Everbody says that this test is simply impossible. And people pass nevertheless!
You never know, what those guys at the DLR want to see.
One speculation about mental arithmetics e.g. is:
They just want to put you under heavy stress and see how will cope with the NEXT test. The mental arithmetics itself are not important. It's just perfect to put people under heavy and nasty pressure, because there are very few people out there who are INDEED well in mental arithmetics.
This is just a speculation, but it seems reasonable.
Once more: you never know, what they really want to see, so be very well prepared, stay calm under all circumstances, even if things are going bad in your opinion.
Keep in mind: all others will struggle with that nasty stuff, too!
If you're well prepared, it's unrealistic to believe others do sooooooo much better than you.
That's it!
Kind regards to Turkey and good luck,
McFly
P.S.: Maybe you wanna check Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index (http://www.pilotenboard.de) with a translation machine or ask there in English if somebody can help you with your questions about SunExpress.
Ahhhh, look here:
Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Thema anzeigen - Sunexpress selection (http://www.pilotenboard.de/viewtopic.php?t=21318&highlight=sunexpress)
Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Thema anzeigen - SunExpress (http://www.pilotenboard.de/viewtopic.php?t=19457&highlight=sunexpress)


Ah, well, mental arithmetics:
Definitely LEARN BY HEART the square numbers and their roots up to 30 and additionally the cubes (is that what it is called in English?) and their third roots up to 10 (2^3=8, 3^3=27, etc.).
You will be surprised, how easy mental arithmetics will go then as many calculation tasks are derived from those numbers, e.g. "How much is 17% out of 289?"...
17^2=289, so it's simply 17! Simply by knowing these numbers, you will solve some 6, 7 or 8 questions out of 20, which is already very good as it seems!
:rolleyes::ugh::p

For easy learning of the squares:
Write them down and you will see, that the last two digits of the square numbers between 20 and 30 are symmetrical to 25.
Just write it down and you'll see what I mean...
:E

[wingsfly]

McFly;
First of all I m sorry because of delay for replying and thank you very much for all informations.They are indeed very beneficial.I will follow your adviceses but as you known DLR is queit difficult so it is hard to manage how to study but I will try :) Thank you very much again.Kind regards to Germany! :)

[sirdeluxe]

wingsfly, just make sure that you don't waste any money on preparation software. the CBTs provided by the DLR are sufficient. they don't come with the mic-test, but since you already have an IR it should be a piece of cake anyways.

[Raven1972]

Hi sirdeluxe (http://www.pprune.org/members/196895-sirdeluxe), Having an IR is NOT sufficient for passing the MIC. As I stated before on this thread. I have an IR and still failed the MIC. You MUST NOT fly the MIC like an aeroplane if you do you WILL fail.
Having talked with DLR and others who sat the test it seems to be a regular occurrence for people to pass all other subjects and fail the MIC.
So, as I said earlier. Buy the Skytest and use it for the MIC and use the DLR sample tests to practice for everything else. It seems impossible at first but if you work hard enough at it you will pass.
Pilots taking the German test (ie Lufthansa) are benchmarked against the profile of an average German Pilot. All other European pilots are benchmarked against "The average European Pilot"

[Captain McFly]

Hi SirDeluxe,
im my very honest opinion:
In 1996, a preparation-software for the DLR cost some €400-500 (GPB 340-425 / USD 550-680). I'm not joking.
THAT was expensive - and compared to Skytest it wasn't even worth €5,-!
Today, Skytest is a rather good product for a reasonable price while the competitor with those unbelievable prices disappeared a long time ago; I think, the Skytest-Software is some €50-60,-. And: Nearly *everybody* uses it for training, so simply not having it *might* be an disadvantage.
I have trained mainly with Skytest, I did only the RMS-Test with the official DLR-CBTs some years ago, since with the RMS-Test even the voice and speed in the CBT is identical to the test at the DLR. I was told in the final interview for LH, that all results at the first stage of the application process (GU) were "very good", while the MIC-Test as only "good". No, I'm not showing off, but simply reporting if my preparation was useful or not.
I think, the investment in the software was reasonable.
I definitely agree with Raven1972, that without training the MIC is very difficult. Your IR-rating will *not* help you...
The MIC is *not* an aviation simulator (MIC="Monitoring and Instrument Coordination"), it's a test which just looks like a simulator but behaves rather different and checks abstract abilities which are only in a very limited way comparable to instrument flying. Yes, if you fly it like an aeroplane, you'll probably fail.
In contrast to Raven1972, I recommend training predominantly with Skytest; it's worth that little money (hey, your flight training wasn't free either, was it?!) and while all the DLR-CBTs are only *prerecorded*, Skytest will generate all the time new exercises randomly. Addtionally, Skytest presents all the tests pretty close to the real thing, while the DLR-CBTs DO NOT show important details! Partly, the DLR-CBTs are even misleading! The real thing is definitely pretty different to the CBTs - that might give you a very unpleasant surprise while you sit the DLR and realize that you don't know many of the details and you're not prepared for them.
That detail is the only thing, I really dislike about the DLR: Their information policy should be a bit more honest; but it isn't.
Just my opinion,
good luck to you all,
McFly

[sirdeluxe]

raven, mc fly, i agree with both of you that the MIC is not a simulator, a real airplane won't do those funny things. well, maybe a C152 does if you are stupid enough to fly it straight into a CB, who knows? :} but, as mc fly mentions, it stands for "Monitoring and Instrument Coordination", and in my opinion this is exactly what constitutes ifr flying, as well as performing other tasks simultaneously.

i have to say that i also used skytest. i did the MIC twice, first attempt with 78 %, second with 90 %. i don't want to show off here, i'm just trying to explain that it worked for me that way. i also trained mental arithmetic with skytest, for everything else i used the DLR software. maybe i chose the wrong words in my earlier posting. i still think that buying skytest was a waste of money, for me. there are other ways to practise your scanning technique. it may be a wise investment for someone else. assess your strong points and your weaknesses and decide. and yes, i think the price is reasonable.

[- za3za3ee]

Is there anyway to obtain my dlr results or a certificate? I recently passed the dlr assessment for royal jordanian airlines, unfortunately i am unable to fly in jordan due to legal governmental issues. Is it possible to use my recommendation for another airline ??? thx

[Vmike]

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought that the whole point of a JAR licence was to allow any holder to fly any JAR registered aircraft? Is this the Germans putting up additional barriers to non-Germans? In which case what is the bloody point of a JAR licence?:ooh:

[aozc]

An fATPL MECPLIR with a typerating does not automatically make you into a suitable F/O-candidate even if the rules say that you are allowed to be one.

With that said, I do not mean that anyone who does not pass the DLR isn't. I recently failed it myself but I can for sure see the need of a psychological screening even if they seem a little bit nitpicky about things.

[Captain McFly]

Hi za3za3ee,
the DLR will give you the exact results only on a visit in Hamburg.
However, you should have got a certificate of passing the DLR from your company (Royal Jordanian).
In case you did not get a certificate from Royal Jordanian, try contacting the DLR itself and ask them for a certificate.
Please check here:

DLR - Institute of Aerospace Medicine - Contact (http://www.dlr.de/me/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5080/)

I don't know, if they're answering the phone or emails... Maybe you need to send a letter to:

German Aerospace Center (DLR)
Sportallee 54
22335 Hamburg
Germany

They're extremely picky about data privacy protection, so maybe it's a good idea to mention exactly when you haven been there and additionally sending a copy of your passport for proof of identity.

[- za3za3ee]

Thank you very for your response captain mcfly, i recently tried using this link however i havent recieved any sort of feedback yet. I will mail them my request and attach my passport copy as you have adviced. I would also like to ask you several questions and would greatly appreciate it if you could pssibly assist me:-

- Is my DLR recommendation of any use other than than the airline i applied through (Royal Jordanian), and if so how may i use it?

-Does my DLR recommendation apply for the other DLR incooperated airlines i.e Turkish, Lufthansa etc. and does this give me an advantage in applying for a position?

-Is is possible for the airline ie.(RJ) to intervene an determine whether you passed or failed the DLR assessment despite your actual results? (A highly controversial topic)

This is exteremly frustrating since after 6 months of countless assessments with RJ and finally achieving to pass the DLR test that seemed to be the golden gateway to an airline career, i am still jobless without even a piece of paper that proves i even attended such a test, and what seemed as a highly reputed achievement is absolutly useless so far!

[Hendrix185]

Hello Gentlemen!

In the Skytest webpages is text "Input as a rule is via keyboard and mouse, some tests can also be carried out with the joystick." If you use Skytest for preparing to DLR tests..is it better to use keyboard+mouse or joystick? How many of the actual DLR tests are done with joystick and how many with keyboard+mouse? Can somebody tell, which skytest exercises are worthwhile to practice with joystick and which with keyboard+mouse?

[aozc]

The MIC is with a joystick, the rest is touchscreen.

[pilotarosa]

Hello,

has anybody taken the DLR test recently? if yes are the ATPL questions still similar to what posted in the italian tread (I copy an example below)??

1- what's the function of the eustachian tube?to equalize the pressure in the ear
2-what part of the ear is responsive for equilibrium?the otholit
3- function of hemoglobin?oxygen to the body
4-environmental capture?something to do with skill rule
5-main factor in global weather changes?heating of the earth
6-causes of windshear?strong temperate inversion
7-if you cool an air mass to its dewpoint?umidity 100%
8-if maintaining constant angle of attack the airspeed is 3 times faster what happens to lift?9 times bigger
9-some question regarding airspeed: answer is crate mach
10- question about traveling along parallel 60N: answer 1800nm (cosine of 60=0.5)
11-what is a rate 1 turn? 3°/second
12- the sun is 40°W, when will it be at 85°W?After 3 hours (15° per hour)
13-something about turn indicators: rate gyro
14-real wander in gyroscope: due internal friction
15-how is a gyro erected in an ADI?leveling switches and torque motors
16-some question about gyros: answer gimbal
17-instrument that indicates low pressure stage in an engine? N1
18- if after 50nm climb you have reached 20.000ft what is the rate?2000ft/min
19-red light from tower?don't land
20- acceleration error of attitude indicator during take off?pitch up
21- same as above for the human body?pitch up feeling

Thank you for your time!

[speedo777]

Hello to all.

First i really wish COVID-19 comes to an end soon. For the the health of our families and friends and so for us to come back to the sky.

I have a DLR test for a company in the middle east "though it's not 100% confirmed due to the current situation" yet i"m wondering who have done it recently?
I'm preparing myself and it seems going well ( I hope!! :D) but i really want to know how it actually starts and ends there in Hamburg. How many CBT's they are? I know i'll have (RMS-MEK-OWT-PPT-ROT- Math- Physics- MIC-mental arithmetic- Concentration & english.Is ther anything else? and any idea about the passing marks?

Thanks in advanced.